2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

ECO_Mental

Magnate wrote: »

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Left leaning or not, the majority of americans agree with him on the economic issues at the core of his campaign, and he's even starting to attract some republican attention. Here's an excellent article on the matter.

That's until Fox sets their sights of their 24hour 365 day a year GOP propaganda machine on Bernie. Currently it's wall to wall negative on Hillary because she's the main threat now but if they see Bernie could be a threat then he will be painted at the next Lenin who is going to take all your money and give it to the poor. That will soon turn off all these Reps who might vote for him they could never be seen to vote for a commie

You got to hand it to Fox at times they could turn you against your own mother given enough time... They have spent the last 10 years at least at this tactic towards Hillary. They sure are patient

Magnate

ECO_Mental wrote: »

That's until Fox sets their sights of their 24hour 365 day a year GOP propaganda machine on Bernie. Currently it's wall to wall negative on Hillary because she's the main threat now but of they see Bernie could be a threat then he will be painted at the next Lenin who is going to take all your money and give it to the poor. That will soon turn of all these Reps who might bout for him.

You got to hand it to Fox at times they could turn you against your own mother given enough time... They have spent the last 10 years at least at this tactic towards Hillary. They sure are patient

That's very true, if anything they should be pushing for Hillary to get the nomination as she'll be an easier target. The thing is though with Bernie you couldn't ask for a more genuine person with such integrity. He should stand up well to media scrutiny, and once we get to the debates his voice will finally be heard nationally.

Side note, the latest polling in Iowa & New Hampshire shows his lead continuing to grow exponentially -> http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/joe--looks-like-bernie-has-a-shot-524880963596

Magnate

This.

Amerika

ECO_Mental wrote: »

That's until Fox sets their sights of their 24hour 365 day a year GOP propaganda machine on Bernie. Currently it's wall to wall negative on Hillary because she's the main threat now but if they see Bernie could be a threat then he will be painted at the next Lenin who is going to take all your money and give it to the poor. That will soon turn off all these Reps who might vote for him they could never be seen to vote for a commie

You got to hand it to Fox at times they could turn you against your own mother given enough time... They have spent the last 10 years at least at this tactic towards Hillary. They sure are patient

Hillary and her people are doing a pretty good number on Sanders also. One of her peeps put it out there that Bernie Sanders applied for conscientious objector status during the Vietnam War. Not the kind of person she fells should be Commander In Chief, I guess.

Amerika

Bernie Sanders’s proposes to spend $18 Trillion over 10 years, with $15 trillion earmarked for a government-run health-care program, rebuilding of roads and bridges, expanding Social Security, and making tuition free at public colleges. And to pay for it he is proposing tax increases that will only bring it $6.5 trillion over those 10 years, with additional tax proposals still to come.

But try to find any of this on most cable news programs. All they do is prop him up to viewers merely with his attacks against the rich. If the media would do their jobs, Sanders would already be run out of the election on a rail.

jobbridge4life

Amerika wrote: »

Bernie Sanders’s proposes to spend $18 Trillion over 10 years, with $15 trillion earmarked for a government-run health-care program, rebuilding of roads and bridges, expanding Social Security, and making tuition free at public colleges. And to pay for it he is proposing tax increases that will only bring it $6.5 trillion over those 10 years, with additional tax proposals still to come.

But try to find any of this on most cable news programs. All they do is prop him up to viewers merely with his attacks against the rich. If the media would do their jobs, Sanders would already be run out of the election on a rail.

That figure comes from a Wall Street Journal piece. The Wall Street Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch and he certainly isn't short on cable news networks with which to peddle whatever he chooses.

Wompa1

Amerika wrote: »

Bernie Sanders’s proposes to spend $18 Trillion over 10 years, with $15 trillion earmarked for a government-run health-care program, rebuilding of roads and bridges, expanding Social Security, and making tuition free at public colleges. And to pay for it he is proposing tax increases that will only bring it $6.5 trillion over those 10 years, with additional tax proposals still to come.

But try to find any of this on most cable news programs. All they do is prop him up to viewers merely with his attacks against the rich. If the media would do their jobs, Sanders would already be run out of the election on a rail.

I was out of the country for a week. Did something radical happen while I was gone? Are the media actually giving Bernie Sanders air time now!?

The media is doing it's job. They are ignoring him. Just like they did with Ron Paul. They are scared to death that even the notions of which are talking about might catch fire with the public.

Amerika

jobbridge4life wrote: »

That figure comes from a Wall Street Journal piece. The Wall Street Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch and he certainly isn't short on cable news networks with which to peddle whatever he chooses.

Yes it is. And Sanders people apparently have confirmed it. Or shouldn't we trust his own people?

Amerika

Wompa1 wrote: »

I was out of the country for a week. Did something radical happen while I was gone? Are the media actually giving Bernie Sanders air time now!?

The media is doing it's job. They are ignoring him. Just like they did with Ron Paul. They are scared to death that even the notions of which are talking about might catch fire with the public.

You surely have been out of touch. Sanders is getting more airtime than Clinton at this point.

jobbridge4life

Amerika wrote: »

Yes it does. And Sanders people apparently have confirmed it. Or shouldn't we trust his own people?

The veracity of the figure is irrelevant I am making the point that your suggestion of some cabal of left wing news media shielding it from public attention is a nonsense.

MightyMandarin

Wompa1 wrote: »

I was out of the country for a week. Did something radical happen while I was gone? Are the media actually giving Bernie Sanders air time now!?

The media is doing it's job. They are ignoring him. Just like they did with Ron Paul. They are scared to death that even the notions of which are talking about might catch fire with the public.

He's getting air time because he has a big lead in Iowa and New Hampshire.

But don't mind Amerika. This is the same media who've given Trump a free pass for all his racist talk and the rest of the nonsense he goes on about. If they were in any way fair, he wouldn't be getting on Jimmy Fallon or getting weekly interviews with CNN etc.

eire4

Wompa1 wrote: »

I was out of the country for a week. Did something radical happen while I was gone? Are the media actually giving Bernie Sanders air time now!?

The media is doing it's job. They are ignoring him. Just like they did with Ron Paul. They are scared to death that even the notions of which are talking about might catch fire with the public.

Your absolutely spot on there womba about the media and Bernie Sanders. Reality is the MSM could care less about real policy and real issues affecting the bread and butter of most peoples lives they want ratings and thats why its wall to wall Trump said this Trump said that and Hillary e-mail this and Hillary e-mail that.


I think we can safely say that Sanders is in real contention now. Nationally the latest polls still show Clinton with a big lead 42-24. But as recently as July that margin was 63-14. So there is definetly a real race on. Especially as it looks like Sanders has a real shot at winning the first 2 states in Iowa and New Hampshire although still well behind in South Carolina.

Wompa1

Amerika wrote: »

You surely have been out of touch. Sanders is getting more airtime than Clinton at this point.

Since when? A week? Are you upset because they are giving him coverage now due to him leading in the polls from a couple of days ago?

What president do you think should be emulated if any? Who is a good example of an American president to you?

Amerika

Wompa1 wrote: »

Since when? A week? Are you upset because they are giving him coverage now due to him leading in the polls from a couple of days ago?

What president do you think should be emulated if any? Who is a good example of an American president to you?

Just commenting on the obvious.

My top three (in order) are George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Ronald Reagan.

Amerika

jobbridge4life wrote: »

The veracity of the figure is irrelevant I am making the point that your suggestion of some cabal of left wing news media shielding it from public attention is a nonsense.

I did a google search on “Bernie Sanders $18 Trillion.” I didn’t go beyond the first page of results, but they came up with the Washington Post, Fox News and a few other conservative media outlets. Not a single MSM or left media result on Sanders’ scheme to bankrupt America. Rather telling I’d say.

Overheal

Should have looked harder,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/09/15/no-bernie-sanders-is-not-going-to-bankrupt-america-to-the-tune-of-18-trillion/

That's even the Washington Post which you say you found earlier.

But the bulk of what Sanders wants to do is in the first category: to have us pay through taxes for things we’re already paying for in other ways. Depending on your perspective on government, you may think that’s a bad idea. But we shouldn’t treat his proposals as though they’re going to cost us $18 trillion on top of what we’re already paying.

And there’s another problem with that scary $18 trillion figure, which is what the Journal says is the 10-year cost of Sanders’ ideas: fully $15 trillion of it comes not from an analysis of anything Sanders has proposed, but from the fact that Sanders has said he’d like to see a single-payer health insurance system, and there’s a single-payer plan in Congress that has been estimated to cost $15 trillion. Sanders hasn’t actually released any health care plan, so we have no idea what his might cost.

The claim is grade-A angus certified bullsh!t

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

Should have looked harder,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/09/15/no-bernie-sanders-is-not-going-to-bankrupt-america-to-the-tune-of-18-trillion/

That's even the Washington Post which you say you found earlier.The claim is grade-A angus certified bullsh!t

I noted the Washington Post. So, lets recap... Sanders wants a single payer health care system. A single payer health care system is estimated to cost $15 Trillion. Do you think Sanders has some magical formula to have the system cost less... like Logan's Run perhaps?

Overheal

So I want a car,

A solid gold Rolls Royce is available

I want a solid gold Rolls Royce?

What was so difficult for these journalists that they couldn't just ask Sanders for a quote on whether he approved of the plan currently in Congress?

jobbridge4life

Amerika wrote: »

I did a google search on “Bernie Sanders $18 Trillion.” I didn’t go beyond the first page of results, but they came up with the Washington Post, Fox News and a few other conservative media outlets. Not a single MSM or left media result on Sanders’ scheme to bankrupt America. Rather telling I’d say.

The Washington Post and Fox News are without doubt mainstream media.

Magnate

Amerika wrote: »

I noted the Washington Post. So, lets recap... Sanders wants a single payer health care system. A single payer health care system is estimated to cost $15 Trillion. Do you think Sanders has some magical formula to have the system cost less... like Logan's Run perhaps?

It's not costing $15 trillion extra on top of what people already pay though, it's just being restructured so that those earning insane amounts are paying their fair share.

Have a look at this reddit thread.

Brian?

Amerika wrote: »

I did a google search on “Bernie Sanders $18 Trillion.” I didn’t go beyond the first page of results, but they came up with the Washington Post, Fox News and a few other conservative media outlets. Not a single MSM or left media result on Sanders’ scheme to bankrupt America. Rather telling I’d say.

Fox news and the Washington Post are part of the mainstream media. Give over. Fox news is the highest rated cable news channel in the USA.

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

So I want a car,

A solid gold Rolls Royce is available

I want a solid gold Rolls Royce?

What was so difficult for these journalists that they couldn't just ask Sanders for a quote on whether he approved of the plan currently in Congress?

Sanders is pushing for a single payer healthcare program as a key position to his campaign.

Approved of the plan in Congress? Didn't he write it?

http://www.healthcare-now.org/index.php?s=Bernie+Sanders+S.+1782

I’d say it’s more than just some whimsical wish of his. He is a socialist you might recall.

noway12345

Who's gonna win? Who should I put my 50 cent on?

Brian?

Amerika wrote: »

Just commenting on the obvious.

My top three (in order) are George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan? If that chump is in your top 3 presidents then you're a lost cause.

You put Reagan ahead of FDR, Kennedy and Jefferson???

I don't even really like Jefferson because of his inaction on slavery.

Amerika

Brian? wrote: »

Ronald Reagan? If that chump is in your top 3 presidents then you're a lost cause.

You put Reagan ahead of FDR, Kennedy and Jefferson???

I don't even really like Jefferson because of his inaction on slavery.

Absolutely. FDR's actions prolonged the Great Depression... although his lying to the American people and pretending he was going to keep us out of the war (all the while building up the military in order to enter the war) was a pretty smart idea. What major accomplishments did Kennedy really achieve other than almost getting us into WWIII? Jefferson is in my top 5 presidents, but his banning of foreign trade moved him below Reagan.

MightyMandarin

Amerika wrote: »

Absolutely. FDR's actions prolonged the Great Depression... although his lying to the American people and pretending he was going to keep us out of the war (all the while building up the military in order to enter the war) was a pretty smart idea. What major accomplishments did Kennedy really achieve other than almost getting us into WWIII? Jefferson is in my top 5 presidents, but his banning of foreign trade moved him below Reagan.

Why do you think Reagan is so good?

I know he's the Fox News and GOP poster boy but there's a hell of a lot of bs and mythology surrounding his presidency.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Sanders is pushing for a single payer healthcare program as a key position to his campaign.



Approved of the plan in Congress? Didn't he write it?



http://www.healthcare-now.org/index.php?s=Bernie+Sanders+S.+1782



I’d say it’s more than just some whimsical wish of his. He is a socialist you might recall.

Is that the same plan being flown around Washington? That piece was introduced to congress in 2013 and its not apparent from that link or looking up that bill what it's final projected cost would be.

MightyMandarin

53 percent of Jeb Bush's tax cuts would go to the top 1 percent



Shocker :pac:

Amerika

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Why do you think Reagan is so good?

I know he's the Fox News and GOP poster boy but there's a hell of a lot of bs and mythology surrounding his presidency.

First and foremost, his actions caused an end to the Cold War: His tax cuts, deregulation, and domestic spending restraint helped cause the economic boom that lasted for 20 years. He achieved peace through strength. Achieved nuclear weapons cuts which eliminated and entire class of nuclear weapons and laid the framework for the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty. And restored optimism for the country. Pretty damn impressive if you ask me and reason to be number 3.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

First and foremost, his actions caused an end to the Cold War: His tax cuts, deregulation, and domestic spending restraint helped cause the economic boom that lasted for 20 years. He achieved peace through strength. Achieved nuclear weapons cuts which eliminated and entire class of nuclear weapons and laid the framework for the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty. And restored optimism for the country. Pretty damn impressive if you ask me and reason to be number 3.

So none of FDR's actions contributed to ending the Cold War? And the 90s was Reagan's economy, not Clinton's?