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Minimum wage increased to 11.50

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    #92
    smcgiff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    candytog wrote: »
    You are comparing eduction to employment. I am comparing working with working.

    No, Internship is set up for you to learn skills (We are aware it gets abused, but that's a different discussion) for a maximum period of 9 months . You get a top up to your social welfare, but it is still social welfare.


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    #93
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Laois6556 wrote: »
    It's either education and apply for a grant, jobsbridge and work for nothing or emigrate. That's not really cushy.

    So getting paid to go to third level or getting paid work experience which will benefit the recipient isn't a good deal in The Situation one would find themselves when unemployed?

    Jesus.


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    #94
    candytog
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭candytog


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    Internships by traditional ehtos are unpaid,how is 250 a week for one not advantageous?

    150-238 depending on your age. And tell me, how many people do you know did unpaid internships before jobsbride?


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    #95
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    Internships by traditional ehtos are unpaid,how is 250 a week for one not advantageous?

    Dole is 188 so they're working full time for 50 euros extra. The cost of the commute probably wouldn't be covered by that 50. People want to work and get paid fairly for it, what have you got against that?


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    #96
    Daveysil15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    I really hope it goes ahead because rent is ridiculously high for anyone on minimum wage.


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    #97
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    We have to create enough of a gap between dole and full time employment for full time employment to be the goal. I would think a combination of lowering social welfare and incentivising low wage workers somehow would help to counter the people who think money comes from the post office every week.


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    #98
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    candytog wrote: »
    150-238 depending on your age. And tell me, how many people do you know did unpaid internships before jobsbride?

    I for one.


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    #99
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Gatling wrote: »
    Your still wrong .

    There gaining experience that will allow them to get onto the career path of there choosing yes the system has been abused but when it's used as a stepping stone it suits a lot of people

    Actually, i know of a 46 year old mother of 3 who has been married for almost 20 years and has kept a home for the duration of that.

    She's on a jobsbridge as a cleaner.
    Definite experience gained for her there :rolleyes:


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    #100
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    So getting paid to go to third level or getting paid work experience which will benefit the recipient isn't a good deal in The Situation one would find themselves when unemployed?

    Jesus.

    How about they get paid fairly for doing full time work? Radical thinking I know. :D


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    #101
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Laois6556 wrote: »
    Dole is 188 so they're working full time for 50 euros extra. The cost of the commute probably wouldn't be covered by that 50. People want to work and get paid fairly for it, what have you got against that?

    Because it.is.not.an.employment.service. When You go to jobbridge,You attend on an internship basis to gain experience in The field not to etch out a career in that post.


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    #102
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    So getting paid to go to third level or getting paid work experience which will benefit the recipient isn't a good deal in The Situation one would find themselves when unemployed?

    Jesus.

    The company could pay them minimum wage. I know its a radical idea but i was paid it for an internship before I even graduated.


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    #103
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Laois6556 wrote: »
    How about they get paid fairly for doing full time work? Radical thinking I know. :D

    See above. A jobbridge placement is not a job,its preperation for getting a job.


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    #104
    [Deleted User]
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    candytog wrote: »
    That's not a bad idea! work with us and we will pay your rent. I can see rents rising pretty rapidly tho :p
    If a rew major employers was to muscle in on the private rental market and make an offer to a professional landlord to pay a low rent on a take it or we don't employ anyone, they'll take it.


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    #105
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    The company could pay them minimum wage. I know its a radical idea but i was paid it for an internship before I even graduated.

    How could any company ne expected to give somebody with low experience a Job out of nowhere for 11.50 per hour?

    Its not an employment Service.


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    #106
    shuyin1
    Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭shuyin1


    Bang_Bang wrote: »
    Pay rises are a complete waste of time in the current tax system. I got promoted last year and got an extra 10k. I don't have my wife's tax credits because she's in full time work too. After increased PRSI, USC and so called income tax because of my "pay rise" I'm effectively 100 euro better off a fortnight which is equivalent to just over €2600 net PA, work that one out?

    I'm still coming to terms with 42% plus increased USC and PRSI, why the fcuk anyone gets out of bed in the morning is beyond me?

    This doesn't seem right! 7.4k has not gone to taxes. Worst case around 52% or 5.2k.


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    #107
    stateofflux
    Registered Users Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭stateofflux


    Gatling wrote: »
    No it's not .

    You either choose to take part in the scheme or you don't .

    People on minimum wages are usually lacking in skills or education ( though not all ) to be able to progress up their career ladders

    Jobbridge and all the other Internship / pathway schemes are currently influencing the labour market so it is relevant.

    In a lot of cases you don't have a choice.


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    #108
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    Because it.is.not.an.employment.service. When You go to jobbridge,You attend on an internship basis to gain experience in The field not to etch out a career in that post.

    It is employment. The people who advertise for jobsbridge require employees, they get them but don't have to pay them a wage.


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    #109
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Daveysil15 wrote: »
    I really hope it goes ahead because rent is ridiculously high for anyone on minimum wage.

    It would drive rent up.


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    #110
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    See above. A jobbridge placement is not a job,its preperation for getting a job.

    It is a job, they're working full time hours.


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    #111
    KomradeBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭KomradeBishop


    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    We have to create enough of a gap between dole and full time employment for full time employment to be the goal. I would think a combination of lowering social welfare and incentivising low wage workers somehow would help to counter the people who think money comes from the post office every week.
    First though, there should be enough jobs made available (currently 24 people per job vacancy), so we aren't engaging in collective-punishment against all of the unemployed, ya?

    No point slashing peoples support payments, and telling them to go get jobs that aren't there for them, right?


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    #112
    candytog
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭candytog


    smcgiff wrote: »
    No, Internship is set up for you to learn skills (We are aware it gets abused, but that's a different discussion) for a maximum period of 9 months . You get a top up to your social welfare, but it is still social welfare.

    Yes I know what the jobsbridge scheme is but it is like having an argument about income tax and you saying that USC is not relevant because it has a different name and supposed function.

    It is highly related to the cost of labour and is therefore highly relevant to discussion about increasing minimum wage. Just as other aspects of the cost of living are also relevant such as rent etc.


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    #113
    KomradeBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭KomradeBishop


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    It would drive rent up.
    Yes because rents have been driven up lately, by the equally massive increase in the minimum wage we've seen - perfect correlation between the two.


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    #114
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    How could any company ne expected to give somebody with low experience a Job out of nowhere for 11.50 per hour?

    Its not an employment Service.

    It isnt 11.50 yet and probably never will be. I didnt even have low experience, I was unqualified and had no experience. Same with the majority of my class who also managed to be given internships that pay minimum wage. If a company wants to hire someone then they can pay them.


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    #115
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Laois6556 wrote: »
    It is employment. The people who advertise for jobsbridge require employees, they get them but don't have to pay them a wage.

    Its not employment,candidates go in with their eyes open after SELECTING their post that it is not a full time permanent post. It is written in black and white in The jobbridge mission statement that The purpose of The program is to allow The long term unemployed a chance to get familiarised (i.e gain experience) with work ethos and The practices of their chosen post.Not gain a full time permanent post and then get upset when it doesnt materialise.


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    #116
    Bang_Bang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Bang_Bang


    shuyin1 wrote: »
    This doesn't seem right! 7.4k has not gone to taxes. Worst case around 52% or 5.2k.

    It's 54% when you add property tax, god knows what it will be when Dennis rides us up the hole!


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    #117
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    candytog wrote: »
    That's because they are being forced to because it's either that or an internship!

    Or many realised the way to a better future for themself or there families was through going back to education and retraining after the economy collapsed
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    #118
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    It isnt 11.50 yet and probably never will be. I didnt even have low experience, I was unqualified and had no experience. Same with the majority of my class who also managed to be given internships that pay minimum wage. If a company wants to hire someone then they can pay them.

    And why would a company Want to hire an intern in This period while they can get a qualified worker for a Little more who will actually make them Money?


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    #119
    MouseTail
    Registered Users Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭MouseTail


    Jobbridge is not employment, anymore than Community Employment is. It is an activation measure, and a very successful one.


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    #120
    Arbiter of Good Taste
    Registered Users Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    Bang_Bang wrote: »
    It's 54% when you add property tax, god knows what it will be when Dennis rides us up the hole!

    Property tax is completely separate and payable regardless of any payrise. Including this is disingenuous and vexatious.

    Furthermore, how much property tax do you think is payable?


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    #121
    Bongalongherb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    See above. A jobbridge placement is not a job,its preperation for getting a job.

    Is not a Job ? are you serious. Do you even know the definition of what a job is ? It seems not. That is a ridiculous comment to make.

    While you are there working 35/40 hours per week for an extra €50 that wouldn't even cover travel expenses, get real.


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