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Irish Times - save me your sanctimonious claptrap

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    #212
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Justice Tight Juice wrote: »


    You're welcome.


    I actually meant articles you considered "propaganda" from the paper, rather than whinging shite from a known shower of chancers. You realise that Iona and co are a lobby group and that their actual business is propaganda?


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    #213
    j80ezgvc3p92xu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭j80ezgvc3p92xu


    Iona or not, why won't you engage with the material for a change? The video clearly shows how the IT has a liberal agenda. You asked, I delivered.


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    #214
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Nodin wrote: »
    Give us a few examples, other than the one in the OP.

    He's been called away on urgent business...but here's a couple to keep you goin till he returns...

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/hundreds-queue-at-dawn-for-irish-visas-1.1838085

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/race-equality-body-calls-for-devolution-of-asylum-and-immigration-powers-to-stormont-1.1835847

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/why-irish-america-shouldn-t-expect-special-treatment-on-immigration-1.1816830

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/asylum-seekers-mount-protest-at-cork-direct-provision-centre-1.1929294

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/young-asylum-seekers-with-scholarships-ordered-to-move-1.1912294

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/a-humane-approach-to-asylum-1.1931005

    It's just not the same since the Major was let go......


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #215
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Justice Tight Juice wrote: »
    Iona or not, why won't you engage with the material for a change? The video clearly shows how the IT has a liberal agenda. You asked, I delivered.


    It's right wing guff from a shower who are big on giving it out, but are remarkably think skinned themselves. I just wanted to know what you were referring to by your remarks.


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    #216
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    He's been called away on urgent business...but here's a couple to keep you goin till he returns...

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/hundreds-queue-at-dawn-for-irish-visas-1.1838085

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/race-equality-body-calls-for-devolution-of-asylum-and-immigration-powers-to-stormont-1.1835847

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/why-irish-america-shouldn-t-expect-special-treatment-on-immigration-1.1816830

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/asylum-seekers-mount-protest-at-cork-direct-provision-centre-1.1929294

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/young-asylum-seekers-with-scholarships-ordered-to-move-1.1912294

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/a-humane-approach-to-asylum-1.1931005

    It's just not the same since the Major was let go......

    Why is a piece of reportage (seemingly any piece )about the asylum system "propaganda"?


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    #217
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Nodin wrote: »
    Why is a piece of reportage (seemingly any piece )about the asylum system "propaganda"?

    The Carlowbrusier is back to deal with the P word...I'm just lazily point out the Liberal "Agenda",although at this point I'm not sure if the I.T. articles even get read through to their end any more.....;)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #218
    reprise
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    AlekSmart wrote: »
    The Carlowbrusier is back to deal with the P word...I'm just lazily point out the Liberal "Agenda",although at this point I'm not sure if the I.T. articles even get read through to their end any more.....;)


    A rudimentary knowledge of computer programming is all thats required to become an IT reporter now.

    Assemble a database or a few arrays with a few key words like {"€19.10", "racism", "depression"} etc.

    Throw in a few more with stock phrases [] {"Right to work", "make a contribution","Highly educated","Living in fear"} etc.

    Write a randomiser method that throws the whole lot together - hey presto! Goodbye reporters - hello more money for the IT to spend on truly deserving causes - like myhome.ie!


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    #219
    Robroy36
    Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭Robroy36


    Nodin wrote: »
    I actually meant articles you considered "propaganda" from the paper, rather than whinging shite from a known shower of chancers. You realise that Iona and co are a lobby group and that their actual business is propaganda?

    Are the Iona Institute currently under investigation for putting womens lives at risk?

    A simple yes or no answer will suffice Nodin.

    The fact of the matter is abortion, in all forms, is cold blooded premeditated murder.

    If abortion is brought in I would like to see the scum on Eden Quay aborted also as I view them equally if not more "incompatible" with life than a baby who has been unfortunate enough to suffer an abnormality.

    The fact that abortion is accepted by Western society does not take away from the intrinsic evil of the act, no more than the stoning of women in Afghanistan is any less abhorrent given its widespread acceptance there.


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    #220
    h2005
    Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭h2005


    Robroy36 wrote: »
    Are the Iona Institute currently under investigation for putting womens lives at risk?

    A simple yes or no answer will suffice Nodin.

    The fact of the matter is abortion, in all forms, is cold blooded premeditated murder.

    If abortion is brought in I would like to see the scum on Eden Quay aborted also as I view them equally if not more "incompatible" with life than a baby who has been unfortunate enough to suffer an abnormality.

    The fact that abortion is accepted by Western society does not take away from the intrinsic evil of the act, no more than the stoning of women in Afghanistan is any less abhorrent given its widespread acceptance there.
    You're confusing fact with opinion.


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    #221
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Robroy36 wrote: »
    Are the Iona Institute (...........)acceptance there.

    Think you're in the wrong thread or something.


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    #222
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    The Carlowbrusier is back to deal with the P word...I'm just lazily point out the Liberal "Agenda",although at this point I'm not sure if the I.T. articles even get read through to their end any more.....;)


    So even reporting on such issues is "liberal" now? I think the fear has eroded your reason.


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    #223
    osarusan
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    The Irish Times reports on issues like immigration.

    The liberal swine.

    Loads of people inadvertently showing their true colours on this thread.


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    #224
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Nodin wrote: »
    So even reporting on such issues is "liberal" now? I think the fear has eroded your reason.

    Repeatedly doing so is exactly that...perhaps even verging on "Ultra" liberal.....in kinda opposing similar fashion to this Iona Institute place...;)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #225
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Repeatedly doing so is exactly that...perhaps even verging on "Ultra" liberal.....

    No, it really isn't. It is annoying for some if it doesn't add the kind of close minded xenophobic narrative to suit them, but its not "ultra" liberal.


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    #226
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, it really isn't. It is annoying for some if it doesn't add the kind of close minded xenophobic narrative to suit them, but its not "ultra" liberal.

    It's annoying because it's blinkered, brainless, intellectually lazy and fundamentally dishonest.

    It's the perennial puff piece, known in the trade as a filler. As per my previous post, it practically writes itself.

    Truly juvenile, awful stuff.

    It targets its captive audience well.


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    #227
    The_Captain
    Registered Users Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭The_Captain


    I make more money than people living in these refugee hovels. I don't begrudge them a bit of human diginty


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    #228
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    The_Captain wrote: »
    I make more money than people living in these refugee hovels. I don't begrudge them a bit of human diginty

    You MONSTER!!

    Honestly though I think we are about 10 posts off someone using the term "lamestream media" at this point.


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    #229
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,883 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Robroy36 wrote: »
    Are the Iona Institute currently under investigation for putting womens lives at risk?

    A simple yes or no answer will suffice Nodin.

    The fact of the matter is abortion, in all forms, is cold blooded premeditated murder.

    If abortion is brought in I would like to see the scum on Eden Quay aborted also as I view them equally if not more "incompatible" with life than a baby who has been unfortunate enough to suffer an abnormality.

    The fact that abortion is accepted by Western society does not take away from the intrinsic evil of the act, no more than the stoning of women in Afghanistan is any less abhorrent given its widespread acceptance there.

    You must feel so frustrated when you drive past closed-down Magdalene concentration camps.


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    #230
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,588 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    You must feel so frustrated when you drive past closed-down Magdalene concentration camps.

    Things aren't like they used to be. Nobody knows their place anymore.


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    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    The_Captain wrote: »
    I make more money than people living in these refugee hovels. I don't begrudge them a bit of human diginty

    Shame so few refugees see the inside of these "hovels". I suspect if they could swap places with the frauds, their expectations would be more than exceeded.


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    #232
    The_Captain
    Registered Users Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭The_Captain


    reprise wrote: »
    Shame so few refugees see the inside of these "hovels". I suspect if they could swap places with the frauds, their expectations would be more than exceeded.

    Anyone who endures the poor conditions clearly has nothing better to back to so I don't see how they're frauds

    Unless you genuinely think thieving immigrants are willing to live in camps for years all for the chance to work nights in a petrol shop


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    #233
    reprise
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    The_Captain wrote: »
    Anyone who endures the poor conditions clearly has nothing better to back to so I don't see how they're frauds

    Unless you genuinely think thieving immigrants are willing to live in camps for years all for the chance to work nights in a petrol shop

    You seem confused. Those who spend years in direct provision are those who have failed to secure refugee status and are in the prolonged and tortuous stages of fighting their refusal/removal vis a vis the legal system.

    If they are working in a "petrol shop", they are doing so illegally, undercutting legal workers and driving down wages.

    Those granted refugee status are free to work on a par with any citizen. If they they are working in a "petrol shop", then that's nothing to do with you me or anyone else and absolutely nothing to do with direct provision.

    Out of curiosity - do these workers tell you their status or is everyone foreign, working in a "petrol shop", a refugee in your opinion?


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    #234
    joe swanson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭joe swanson


    Newspaper of record - more like newspaper of agendas and bad journalism


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    #235
    The_Captain
    Registered Users Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭The_Captain


    reprise wrote: »
    You seem confused. Those who spend years in direct provision are those who have failed to secure refugee status and are in the prolonged and tortuous stages of fighting their refusal/removal vis a vis the legal system.

    If they are working in a "petrol shop", they are doing so illegally, undercutting legal workers and driving down wages.

    Those granted refugee status are free to work on a par with any citizen. If they they are working in a "petrol shop", then that's nothing to do with you me or anyone else and absolutely nothing to do with direct provision.

    Out of curiosity - do these workers tell you their status or is everyone foreign, working in a "petrol shop", a refugee in your opinion?

    You're the only one confused here mate


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    #236
    HalloweenJack
    Registered Users Posts: 7,116 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    joe swanson wrote: »
    Newspaper of record - more like newspaper of agendas and bad journalism
    Every paper pushes some kind of agenda and the IT is no different. I say that as a proud reader and I'm well aware that it pushes a left-wing agenda. The thing is the agenda it pushes is far more palatable to my views than those of the other Irish papers.

    And the journalism in it can be crap at times but it's still streets ahead of the Indo.


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    #237
    j80ezgvc3p92xu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭j80ezgvc3p92xu


    HalloweenJack wrote: »
    Every paper pushes some kind of agenda and the IT is no different. I say that as a proud reader and I'm well aware that it pushes a left-wing agenda. The thing is the agenda it pushes is far more palatable to my views than those of the other Irish papers.

    And the journalism in it can be crap at times but it's still streets ahead of the Indo.

    Wait, if you know that it is brainwashing you with left wing garbage why do you continue reading it? That is like someone saying yeah I enjoy drinking this cup of arsenic even though I know it is going to kill me.


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    #238
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,883 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Perhaps he thinks it's the "least worst" news source in Ireland. Given your posting history, anything to the left of "Alive!" is "EVIL GODLESS LIBRUL AJINDA!!11!1" to you.


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    #239
    nelly17
    Registered Users Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭nelly17


    I wonder is it a common occurance that Austerity sees an increase in people leaning to the right


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    #240
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,883 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    nelly17 wrote: »
    I wonder is it a common occurance that Austerity sees an increase in people leaning to the right

    I wouldn't think so, if that were the case then perhaps there'd be an "Irish National Party" or "Emerald Dawn" on the rise here. It's more likely that it sees increased support for both the far-left and the far-right.


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    #241
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    I wouldn't think so, if that were the case then perhaps there'd be an "Irish National Party" or "Emerald Dawn" on the rise here. It's more likely that it sees increased support for both the far-left and the far-right.

    Those parties exist.
    But they are on the fringe of the fringe.... (Thank the gods).


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