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Irish Times - save me your sanctimonious claptrap

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    #32
    Mena
    Registered Users Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    Robroy36 wrote: »
    Pretty predictable: give people free everything and more people will follow them. Next up, negative and positive magnets in attraction shocker!!!

    Who is paying for this?

    I do not want to pay.

    I want Direct Provision maintained.

    Do you even know what direct provision means? You don't want to pay (which I take to mean 'leave my tax alone'), but you want it maintained (meaning keep paying the 19 euro etc? Can you explain?


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    #33
    dav3
    Registered Users Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Robroy36 wrote: »
    Pretty predictable: give people free everything and more people will follow them. Next up, negative and positive magnets in attraction shocker!!!

    Who is paying for this?

    I do not want to pay.

    I want Direct Provision maintained.

    Is this really about the Irish Times?

    Anyway, if a newspaper, any newspaper gets you that worked up, maybe try a different one. For the sake of your own health.


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    #34
    c_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    Robroy36 wrote: »
    Pretty predictable: give people free everything and more people will follow them.

    Ireland 2030, population ~3 billion. The country is a complete urbanised landscape, massive city-blocks the likes of which described in Judge Dredd now cover the horizon :cool:
    Who is paying for this?

    Most people given the chance opt to work and earn. There's a reason emigrants the world over are known are hard workers.

    Besides let's be honest, there's plenty of money and resources for all this. But the economic system to achieve this... well, you're going to label me something aren't you if I allude to how? Nah, the billions are better spent providing a welfare net for our banks and financial industry.


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    #35
    ardle1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭ardle1


    Nodin wrote: »
    Are you taking the piss?
    Robroy36 wrote: »
    Nodin, I have already have had to have words with you in one of my other threads. I don't like your tone one bit. Either stay constructive or jog on. Your choice.

    Thanks in advance.

    +1..
    The op put a lot of thought and genuine 'anger' into this thread, and to me his first post is 'on the mark'!


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    #36
    Mr Rhode Island Red
    Registered Users Posts: 746 ✭✭✭Mr Rhode Island Red


    That's why I read the Independent.

    (This is bait, potentially :D )


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    #37
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ardle1 wrote: »
    +1..
    The op put a lot of thought and genuine 'anger' into this thread, and to me his first post is 'on the mark'!


    Bit strange he can't answer questions on it. Even stranger that the article on the times does not say what he claims, nor does there seem to be an editorial along that line. True, his post is on the mark if you share a certain xenophobic resentment to those who have come here seeking asylum and have absolutely zero concern for their well being.


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    #38
    stmol32
    Registered Users Posts: 718 ✭✭✭stmol32


    Did you read this online OP?

    As an Irish times subscription holder I was left trembling with rage at having to fund indigenous readabouts wanting a handout from my hard earned subscription.

    I work hard all week, long hours, get taxed to the hilt and I have to put up with emotional bombardment from posters on boards.ie as well!

    Well I've had enough of supporting these freeloaders. If it was up to me I'd send them to Iraq or Italy or any of them sh**ty countries.

    I bet you even have adblocker on too - pay your way, marxists have to pay the mortgage too you know.


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    #39
    SaveOurLyric
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭SaveOurLyric


    Robroy36 wrote: »
    Who do they think they are?

    I work hard all week, long hours, get taxed to the hilt to partially pay for an ever diminishing health service, cockeyed politicians and civil servants and an absolutely absurd welfare state. I could go on about impending water charges, house hold taxes and the myriad of other stealth taxes but I'll leave it there.

    The above is not fine. It is not just and at times it makes me tremble with rage

    They are representative of you and of Ireland. Whatever you do, you are no better than they are. If you were better, you would be in one of those positions showing leadership, excellence, creativity, and improving the situation. But I'm guessng you are not.


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    #40
    stmol32
    Registered Users Posts: 718 ✭✭✭stmol32


    Mr Rhode Island Red wrote: »
    That's why I read the Independent.

    (This is bait, potentially :D )

    That's why I read it too, they don't give a f*ck about anybody :pac:


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    #41
    Mr Rhode Island Red
    Registered Users Posts: 746 ✭✭✭Mr Rhode Island Red


    stmol32 wrote: »
    That's why I read it too, they don't give a f*ck about anybody :pac:

    Nice crossword too


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    #42
    crockholm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    The IT have every right to print some article sympathetically focusing on the plight of the people in mosney,sheeet,a lot of the IT readership might actually swallow some of it too, but the folks that hold the purse strings know that the Daily dramas of the mosneyites is way,way down the list of things taxpayers/voters want looked at right now.


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    #43
    anncoates
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    So in summary, refugees living in miserable conditions have it good because they don't have to pay taxes or get blown up by the IDF.


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    #44
    Nodin
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    crockholm wrote: »
    The IT have every right to print some article sympathetically focusing on the plight of the people in mosney,sheeet,a lot of the IT readership might actually swallow some of it too, but the folks that hold the purse strings know that the Daily dramas of the mosneyites is way,way down the list of things taxpayers/voters want looked at right now.

    It's about direct provision generally, not Mosney.


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    #45
    selfstarter
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭selfstarter


    Hotfail.com wrote: »
    Here's a good idea - Don't read the Irish Times.

    No.Don't "Buy" the Irish Times"


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    #46
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    stmol32 wrote: »
    I especially like that comedy columnist they have - the joke is he knows he's the last catholic in the country but he pretends to be really angry that we've all left his club!!

    Feckin' hilarious or Totes Hilares (I learned that phrase from the Sunday Independent womens bit and now I hate myself)


    He's gone to the Indo now.


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    #47
    stmol32
    Registered Users Posts: 718 ✭✭✭stmol32


    Mr Rhode Island Red wrote: »
    Nice crossword too

    I especially like that comedy columnist they have - the joke is he knows he's the last catholic in the country but he pretends to be really angry that we've all left his club!!

    Feckin' hilarious or Totes Hilares (I learned that phrase from the Sunday Independent womens bit and now I hate myself)


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    #48
    Big Cheese
    Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭Big Cheese


    Wow, grumpy.


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    #49
    stmol32
    Registered Users Posts: 718 ✭✭✭stmol32


    Nodin wrote: »
    He's gone to the Indo now.

    Sorry Nodin I meant to quote a poster I was answering so I deleted and reposted, d'jeknowhat it'll all make sense if anyone can be arsed to re-read :)


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    #50
    feargale
    Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Robroy36 wrote: »
    This morning I was left trembling with rage by the Marxists in the Irish Times.

    Some interesting points here. But is there a soviet in Westmoreland Street? Who are these Marxists? Name them and shame them. Better still, bring in the special branch to deal with them. No point in understating the case!


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    #51
    coolbeans
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    OP is clearly an 'Irish' Daily Mail man who's picked up the wrong paper. The old DM is ideal for those who love a baseless moan while lacking appreciation for what they have, and seeing fit to knock those less fortunate than themselves. You'll love there it there RobRoy. Especially the comments section.


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    #52
    Shakespeare's Sister
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    Robroy36 wrote: »
    ...
    I don't think anyone believes asylum-seekers should be living in luxury (which is no doubt the strawman that will get trotted out) - basic, clean and comfortable is sufficient. But the conditions can be very poor and cramped, and nobody without the power to change this should be living in such conditions, particularly when they have children.


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    #53
    Annasopra
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    anncoates wrote: »
    So in summary, refugees living in miserable conditions have it good because they don't have to pay taxes or get blown up by the IDF.

    And "outraged in Donnybrook" doesnt want to pay for it. The indignity of paying his taxes in order to throw them a few breadcrumbs

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #54
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,287 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    90% of these asylum-seekers are bogus.

    The Minister has said so, confirming what we all know.

    http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/PR07000171


    It is very unfair to keep people here for years and years going through a legal process.

    They should not be allowed past the airport / port, and should be turned around within 24hrs.


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    #55
    Geuze
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    Magaggie wrote: »
    I don't think anyone believes asylum-seekers should be living in luxury (which is no doubt the strawman that will get trotted out) - basic, clean and comfortable is sufficient. But the conditions can be very poor and cramped, and nobody without the power to change this should be living in such conditions, particularly when they have children.

    They are free to leave the country if they are not happy with the conditions.


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    #56
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Geuze wrote: »
    90% of these asylum-seekers are bogus.

    The Minister has said so, confirming what we all know.
    .............

    "The Minister" has not been the minister for many years now and that article is 9 years old. We currently have one of the lowest acceptance rates in Western Europe.


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    #57
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Geuze wrote: »
    They are free to leave the country if they are not happy with the conditions.


    Your concern for your fellows is touching.


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    #58
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    Geuze wrote: »
    They are free to leave the country if they are not happy with the conditions.
    And go where?
    The state, even for its own reputation, shouldn't provide squalor type conditions.


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    #59
    feargale
    Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Robroy36 wrote: »
    This morning I was left trembling with rage by the Marxists in the Irish Times.

    Some interesting points here. But is there a soviet in Westmoreland Street? Who are these Marxists? Name them and shame them. Better still, bring in the special branch to deal with them. No point in understating the case!


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    #60
    conorh91
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    feargale wrote: »
    Some interesting points here. But is there a soviet in Westmoreland Street? Who are these Marxists? Name them and shame them. Better still, bring in the special branch to deal with them. No point in understating the case!
    In fairness, Marxism is a sufficiently vague term as to be capable of upholding the hypothesis that some of the Irish Times journalists are Marxists.

    Many would agree that Vincent Browne is a Marxist for example. Fintan O'Toole may be one.


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    #61
    cloud493
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    The reds are everywhere.


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