Boss refused to pay me €20 overtime!

Electric Boobs

Recently finished working at a convenience store. During my time working there, my shifts normally finished 10-15 minutes late as the Indian who stated after me always arrived late. I was not on the clock in/out system. The first few weeks, the manager paid me for this overtime when mentioned it, as I'd expect. Then one week when I mentioned it, he said 'just keep keeping a list of all the overtime'. Of course I kind of got a bad feeling about this as it inevitably meant presenting a unexpected large figure to him. Since I thought I could trust him, I stupidly arrived to work on time every day.

On the last day I got the impression that he might have been avoiding me a bit. Yet before he left, he gave me my 2nd last pay slip and I clarified this with him, when he said that I could let him know whatever overtime I did by text and that it would be mailed to my address with my P45, along with due payments. The final pay slip incorrectly stated 17 hours instead of 22. I emailed him about this along with a few other errors made and about the hours for the final payment.

Of course in the email, I also mentioned the total unpaid overtime, which came to 2 hrs 30 mins. It was this that he had the problem with! Then by text, he told me to 'grow up', and that he wasn't going to pay me for 5 minutes here and there. I mailed him saying that it wasn't 5 minutes here and there, and that it was usually 15 minutes, and that at the end of the day, it was my time which he owed me for. He then texted back saying 'I'm not arguing with you, I'm just telling how it is'.

Me "Since you're being difficult, I will have to call by to discuss this"
Boss "Please do! I'm not being difficult, yet!"

I thought I would have got the opportunity to talk to him the last day, but I should have made a point in doing so. I can't imagine him being as difficult with me at face value, so it would be interesting to see how he'd react if he's willing to discuss a matter that he is in the wrong on!! Is he really holding all the cards here? I mean he is legally obliged to pay me for this money whether he can or can't get away with it.

Ryu Hayabusa

He sounds like a typical paki shopkeeper

DanDublin1982

Did you have a contract or employee handbook that stated what the procedure was around shift changeovers? Without the clocking system you've basically no evidence to speak of.

It pretty much becomes a case of your word over his.

Electric Boobs

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

He sounds like a typical paki shopkeeper

No, he's white and Irish. There's just an Indian guy who works there... you know for the anti-social hours.

kfallon

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

He sounds like a typical paki shopkeeper

Jesus......

Tail Docker

€20 eh? You might need to go to an employment tribunal.

Electric Boobs

DanDublin1982 wrote: »

Did you have a contract or employee handbook that stated what the procedure was around shift changeovers? Without the clocking system you've basically no evidence to speak of.

It pretty much becomes a case of your word over his.

Well he probably realised that he was wrong when I emailed back, but I can understand how it's hard to admit when you're wrong. He's normally fair, but I guess if his ego is involved, that will take priority

NinjaTruncs

Why don't you just leave on time? If he says anything say you're not being paid for working extra. Let him sort it out with the worker who is always late.

Not sure why his nationality is important either.

anncoates

Shouldn't that be 20 dollars if you're working in a convenience store?

Sir Osis of Liver.

Electric Boobs wrote: »

No, he's white and Irish. There's just an Indian guy who works there... you know for the anti-social hours.

Sioux or Apache?

fathead82

If he wont pay you,go in & take €20 worth of stuff from the shop while he is looking at you.

thelad95

Electric Boobs wrote: »

Recently finished working at a convenience store. During my time working there my shifts normally finished 10-15 minutes late as the Indian who stated at after me always arrived late.

Why do you feel the need to mention that he's Indian?

Electric Boobs

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

Why don't you just leave on time? If he says anything say you're not being paid for working extra. Let him sort it out with the worker who is always late.

Not sure why his nationality is important either.

Well you'd want some nerve to just leave, without anyone to man the shop.... I don't know if that would make matters any better. Besides, he didn't have a problem with it first few weeks

Electric Boobs

fathead82 wrote: »

If he wont pay you,go in & take €20 worth of stuff from the shop while he is looking at you.

What could I possibly want from a convenience store that's actually going to bring me any good? Unless I'm dumb enough to buy scratch cards or cigarettes!!

csallmighty

Why hasn't your boss addressed the problem of the guy that's always late? That should be priority.

I'd leave once hours are over, it then becomes the other guys problem and it should be quickly resolved.

Not getting why you have to mention that the person on the shift after yours is Indian.

Penny Tration

Do you really want to fcuk up the chance of getting a good reference for the sake of twenty euro?

Sir Osis of Liver.

Kill him with your shock producing mamarries OP.

Santa Cruz

Tail Docker wrote: »

€20 eh? You might need to go to an employment tribunal.

The High Court would be better I think

The Backwards Man

Any time I felt someone wasn't paying me enough I took extra from the till.

I wasn't being scummy though, if I thought they were paying me too much I would put money into the till.

Electric Boobs

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Not getting why you have to mention that the person on the shift after yours is Indian.

okay, point taken. That's not the issue here

Electric Boobs

green_screen wrote: »

Do you really want to fcuk up the chance of getting a good reference for the sake of twenty euro?

I think that ship might have already sailed based on the way I was firm with him in the emails

BandyMandy

Santa Cruz wrote: »

The High Court would be better I think

European court of human rights, better again. ;-)

thelad95

green_screen wrote: »

Do you really want to fcuk up the chance of getting a good reference for the sake of twenty euro?

It's this kind of attitude that allows employers to not follow numerous employment laws in Ireland. So many Irish employees don't fight or seemingly care for their rights, public servants aside obviously.

Gran Hermano

Electric Boobs wrote: »

I think that ship might have already sailed based on the way I was firm with him in the emails

"Firm emails"? I'd say your old boss is seeking legal advice now.
The time to sort this out was not after you stopped working for them

Gone Drinking

This happens to everyone who works, sometimes you get out a bit later because you need to tie up loose ends or do the right thing in terms of the customer. If i do anything up to 20 minutes, I'll forget about it. If its anything more than that, I advise my manager and take time in lieu (i'll leave half an hour earlier the next day, for example).

I wouldn't go looking for 15 minutes here and there in terms of money or time off. Its not the sort of thing an employer wants to hear.

Saying that, you're not wrong and yea I suppose you're entitled to the money but for the sake of 20 quid, you're probably never going to get work in that place again.

I'd have been pushing for the guy who replaces you to get a bollocking so it stopped happening, rather than looking for the money.

Electric Boobs

Santa Cruz wrote: »

The High Court would be better I think

He obviously knows what he's doing and has a better idea of what the odds are, of him getting away with it

Penny Tration

thelad95 wrote: »

It's this kind of attitude that allows employers to not folow numerous employment laws in Ireland. So many Irish employees don't fight or seemingly care for their rights, public servants aside obviously.

I've fought for my rights to the point of taking an employer to court, while still in their employ. I'm also not a fool, and know how to pick my battles.

fathead82

Electric Boobs wrote: »

What could I possibly want from a convenience store that's actually going to bring me any good? Unless I'm dumb enough to buy scratch cards or cigarettes!!

Well you were dumb enough to stay 15 minutes late every day..

Tarzana

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

He sounds like a typical paki shopkeeper

Electric Boobs wrote: »

There's just an Indian guy who works there... you know for the anti-social hours.

:-/

weldoninhio

Gerrie Nel will be available in the next few weeks OP, maybe give him a bell or fire him off an email. See if he'll help you out?? Worth a try.

wp_rathead

While some on here seem be rolling eyes at €20 - you would be surprised how much that is when things are tight

BandyMandy wrote: »

European court of human rights, better again. ;-)

nah - bring him to THE HAGUE !!

gordongekko

Go into the store and have a big ****e just inside the front door. Tell him to pay up or there's more to follow.

darkpagandeath

Thins kind of stuff happens all the time, Used to Work in a place Doing IT support. Could be held up on the phone 5-10 min here and there when supposed to be at lunch. You would get the manager running over when you came back late the 5-10 mins, I would say I'm not late I took the 1 hr that I am entitled to. Used to come in Early most of the time and start working at that time, Yet same manager would be going nuts if you were 3 mins late in the morning.

Electric Boobs

fathead82 wrote: »

Well you were dumb enough to stay 15 minutes late every day..

I saw it as if I didn't have a choice! Are you saying you'd leave with no one to attend to the shop?

darkpagandeath

Electric Boobs wrote: »

I saw it as if I didn't have a choice! Are you saying you'd leave with no one to attend to the shop?

In this day and age yes, But i know how you feel. Your the only one though there that seemed to feel responsible about this. Managers job to have staff in on time. I would feel the same way, But it’s nice to think of just walking out when your time is up.

Electric Boobs

darkpagandeath wrote: »

In this day and age yes, But i know how you feel. Your the only one though there that seemed to feel responsible about this. Managers job to have staff in on time. I would feel the same way, But it’s nice to think of just walking out when your time is up.

I'll admit that I feel like getting my own back. Like if I just came in some day and pull a bluff on the cashier to do a pay out from the till.

He knows I must be pissed. I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of an ex-employee over €20, but he must think he's untouchable.

Banjo String

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQYTAogtYAg

Tbh.

YFlyer

Offer him a motorboating experience for the €20

FTA69

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Not getting why you have to mention that the person on the shift after yours is Indian.

Jesus Christ who cares. Mentioning someone's nationality when describing an incident isn't a sign someone's a racist bastard, relax.

Ronin247

BandyMandy wrote: »

European court of human rights, better again. ;-)

Jesus Wept..... please keep up, the co-worker was Indian so how could you go to the European Court Of Human Rights? That doesn't make sense


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwdba9C2G14

dealhunter1985

FTA69 wrote: »

Jesus Christ who cares. Mentioning someone's nationality when describing an incident isn't a sign someone's a racist bastard, relax.

I know.. Jeez if we cant even mention people's nationality any more..

UCDVet

I know a lot of people like this...they know that most people won't fight them tooth and nail over 5, 10, 25, 50 quid or whatever. So they pull stuff like this.

The worst thing is, they usually get away with it.

You can keep after him / file a complaint / do whatever - but at the end of the day, you'll end up spending countless hours fighting for the 20 he owes you. If you get it at all. Sure, you are wasting his time, but he secretly loves it. It's like a game for him.

I had friends in college who would ask to borrow something / borrow some money and then, turn it into a game of how long they could go without repaying you. They'd perpetually mooch all they could.

mikehunts

This boss is a cowboy take his horse and sell it on.

lertsnim

thelad95 wrote: »

Why do you feel the need to mention that he's Indian?

Whoop di ****ing doo, he said where yer man is from. Why take issue with that? Are you looking to be offended?

CFlat

mikehunts wrote: »

This boss is a cowboy take his horse and sell it on.

I don't think he's a cowboy cause if he was you'd imagine he wouldnt have Indians working for him?

PizzamanIRL

Grow up .

con___manx1

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

He sounds like a typical paki shopkeeper

you would no this living in london/pakistan ; )

The Singing Beard

Scummy as the boss sounds, you'd spend more than €20 chasing it up.

Sorry OP, but it might be just best to let it go.

If you go the route of small claims court can you claim expenses too?

jjbrien

Strawwwbreeezz wrote: »

Scummy as the boss sounds, you'd spend more than €20 chasing it up.

Sorry OP, but it might be just best to let it go.

If you go the route of small claims court can you claim expenses too?

Costs 25 euro to take a case there so not worth it to be honest plus the time and energy.

I got ripped off a few times myself OP by employers count yourself lucky it was only 20 euro. One employer owed me almost a week and got away with it

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

You do need to grow up. 10 or 15 minutes here and there! I often would get delayed at work for the guts of a hour several times a week and could have perhaps 20 hours a month done over and above what I was paid for - it was just part of the job or what you did to help things out. Do you think you were in the public service or something? Maybe you should have been paying union membership so they could take up your grievances.