Government to reverse some Public Secor Pay cuts

chopper6

Riskymove wrote: »

you are talking about the second Benchmarking exercise

the first one gave everyone an increase

How long ago was that?

Riskymove

chopper6 wrote: »

This is a new one...tell me more!

this is true

I know someone in that situation

chopper6

barneystinson wrote: »

Yep, absolutely true, I actually forgot about the people I've worked with who are also farmers! You obviously live and work in the big smoke chopper, I can PM you the names of public sector workers who are also small farmers if you like...?

So now they're "small farmers"...Do they grow tomatoes on window boxes?

Riskymove

chopper6 wrote: »

How long ago was that?

2003-2005

barneystinson

Riskymove wrote: »

this is true

I know someone in that situation

That won't do, you'll have to actually name them on the public thread to satisfy chopper :rolleyes:

Or, like me, you could just PM him the details.

chopper6

Riskymove wrote: »

2003-2005

So ten years ago...when a house cost 400k because of private sector greed and a PS wage of 38k was considered to be quite good.

Very equitable.

Riskymove

chopper6 wrote: »

So ten years ago...when a house cost 400k because of private sector greed and a PS wage of 38k was considered to be quite good.

Very equitable.

all that is irrelevant to my point

he refuted Kippy's point about everyone getting an increase and I simply pointed out the facts..

chopper6

barneystinson wrote: »

That won't do, you'll have to actually name them on the public thread to satisfy chopper :rolleyes:

Or, like me, you could just PM him the details.

You didnt PM me any "details" you said there's two women you work with who are publicans(two in the same department).

Thats not any kind of proof thats just stalking somebody to repeat what you've said on the forum.

kippy

chopper6 wrote: »

You didnt PM me any "details" you said there's two women you work with who are publicans(two in the same department).

Thats not any kind of proof thats just stalking somebody to repeat what you've said on the forum.

Chopper you've a very limited view of the group you work in.
There are numerous teachers who have other incomes. The profession is ideal for a number of side incomes. We had three secondary school teachers who also farmed, one of whom also owned a restaurant. There are tonnes of public sector workers who are landlords etc.

kippy

chopper6 wrote: »

So ten years ago...when a house cost 400k because of private sector greed and a PS wage of 38k was considered to be quite good.

Very equitable.

The point is most of society were happy to take benefit of the direct and indirect benefits of the boom. They guy with the jeep you spoke about no different to a lot of others who seen no end to the good times.

kippy

chopper6 wrote: »

You didnt PM me any "details" you said there's two women you work with who are publicans(two in the same department).

Thats not any kind of proof thats just stalking somebody to repeat what you've said on the forum.

You're basicilly saying that there are no public sector workers who have additional incomes. Nonsense.

fliball123

Godge wrote: »

I can guarantee that every party in the next election will be promising to examine and restore pay for at least some public servants.

There might be a fringe lunatic independent (Shane Ross?) who might argue against it.

I think you will find FG will not be for it. Only one Labour Minister is spouting this nonsense

fliball123

chopper6 wrote: »

I would agree...and it would be political lunacy to oppose the reversals too as the PS are one of the largest voting blocks in the country.

Once again when it is put to the public that this money needs to be borrowed or found via increases in taxation..the rest of the non PS voting block will vote accordingly.

chopper6

fliball123 wrote: »

Once again when it is put to the public that this money needs to be borrowed or found via increases in taxation..the rest of the non PS voting block will vote accordingly.

we'll see :rolleyes:

fliball123

chopper6 wrote: »

The black economy costs the country 20 billion a year and people are whining about 100 euro a month in PS wages.

and your so blinded by looking for pay rises that you do not see the high cost we pay for the likes of wage and pensions in the ps and welfare drives the black economy. The taxation system in this country promotes it FFS.

barneystinson

fliball123 wrote: »

Once again when it is put to the public that this money needs to be borrowed or found via increases in taxation..the rest of the non PS voting block will vote accordingly.

Well don't forget that the nearly 300k PS workers also have spouses and family, and that there's an ever increasing number of retired former PS workers as well, who have nothing better to do than spend their enormous pensions and vote, so that's quite a considerable block of voters too... :pac:

Godge

fliball123 wrote: »

Really so offices of 10 people with 2 having cancer can only exist in the public sector...haha will you give me a break

That is not what I said.

Offices of 10 people with 2 having cancer and getting paid sick leave for six months only exist in the public sector.

All of the studies you are happy to quote only count paid sick leave. In the private sector, the sick leave wouldn't be paid and wouldn't be in the statistics you love.

I don't know why I am explaining this, you probably won't understand.

Godge

fliball123 wrote: »

I think you will find FG will not be for it. Only one Labour Minister is spouting this nonsense

fliball123 wrote: »

Once again when it is put to the public that this money needs to be borrowed or found via increases in taxation..the rest of the non PS voting block will vote accordingly.

I would be happy to wager a substantial amount that FG will at the least have in their manifesto that during the next government as the economic situation improves, they will consider how much of the pay cuts can be reversed.

That is what is in the law if you bothered to read it rather than spout nonsense.

Godge

fliball123 wrote: »

and your so blinded by looking for pay rises that you do not see the high cost we pay for the likes of wage and pensions in the ps and welfare drives the black economy. The taxation system in this country promotes it FFS.

So you will support a shift away from income tax onto greater capital taxes and property taxes along with water charges?

fliball123

chopper6 wrote: »

If,as a country you want public services,you as a taxpayer have to pay for them.

It's really that simple.

There's NOTHING you can do about that.

And you also seem to have forgotten...your beloved taxes are paying for a lot more than public service pay.

I am also a taxpayer and despite not having children *I* took TWO paycuts to fund YOUR kid's education and YOUR children's allowance.

Now I have to pay for my water to subsidise our old age pension and YOUR children's college education....how is this fair? I wont tolerate it!!

I pay more than enough tax for an aboslutely sh1t public service. Anything half decent I have to pay again for it.

We pay too much for what we get in this country.

There is nothing you can do, your not getting any more of a pay rise above the pay rises already going on through increments. The money is not there..

I know it pays for more than ps pay..but what I pay in taxes I get a pretty bad return on it.

the roads are sh1t
the a&e are sh1t
the guards are sh1t..they sit there in their cars with their guns in zones going from 120kpm to 60kpm ala shooting fish in a barrel, and all the while if your attacked or burgled it takes hours to respond.

They are but a few of the crappy services I get for my tax I could go on for ever..I would rather I didnt pay any taxes and privatise the lot and pick a decent service run by people driven by competing with others for your money instead of having people sitting there waiting for their next increment to kick in.

My kid is not in education so you paid nothing for him and besides me and the wife will have more than paid for his education when our taxes come out
.
I pay my PRSI and my tax that I pay will also more that pay for my OAP. Your paying the water charge to cover the ps increments. Good man you feel good about that.

fliball123

chopper6 wrote: »

So ten years ago...when a house cost 400k because of private sector greed and a PS wage of 38k was considered to be quite good.

Very equitable.

Yes and at the same time the ps pay bill was going through the roof more than doubling ..ps greed

fliball123

barneystinson wrote: »

Well don't forget that the nearly 300k PS workers also have spouses and family, and that there's an ever increasing number of retired former PS workers as well, who have nothing better to do than spend their enormous pensions and vote, so that's quite a considerable block of voters too... :pac:

There are still more none ps affiliated people in this country to vote...As I say when it is spelt out in black and white as a pay rise for the 300 and a pay cut for everyone else..We will see what way the wind blows on it

fliball123

Godge wrote: »

That is not what I said.

Offices of 10 people with 2 having cancer and getting paid sick leave for six months only exist in the public sector.

All of the studies you are happy to quote only count paid sick leave. In the private sector, the sick leave wouldn't be paid and wouldn't be in the statistics you love.

I don't know why I am explaining this, you probably won't understand.

Sorry I missed that point. but it kind of asks the question why it is happens in one sector and not the other?

fliball123

Godge wrote: »

I would be happy to wager a substantial amount that FG will at the least have in their manifesto that during the next government as the economic situation improves, they will consider how much of the pay cuts can be reversed.

That is what is in the law if you bothered to read it rather than spout nonsense.

I am not saying that in the future that ps will get pay rises above increments ..I am saying in 2016 when we will still be borrowing and owe a lot more than we do now..As well as asking people to pay for water that under that environment the appetite for ps pay rises on top of increments would not be tolerated..By all means once the deficit is down, and we have a handle on the debt and taxes are reduced..Then go for it providing the performance of the ps employee merits it , I have no problem with it what so ever.

barneystinson

fliball123 wrote: »

There are still more none ps affiliated people in this country to vote...As I say when it is spelt out in black and white as a pay rise for the 300 and a pay cut for everyone else..We will see what way the wind blows on it

Don't be so naive, that's not how it will be spelt out, apart from hardliners like independents, socialists etc. politics is all about lowest common denominator stuff.

I'll laugh my arse off if/when the party you vote for in the next GE starts restoring the pay cuts, and you're on here incandescent with rage

fliball123

Godge wrote: »

So you will support a shift away from income tax onto greater capital taxes and property taxes along with water charges?

What are you on about?

barneystinson

fliball123 wrote: »

I have no problem with it what so ever.

I'm pretty sure you'll find one, when the time comes!

fliball123

barneystinson wrote: »

Don't be so naive, that's not how it will be spelt out, apart from hardliners like independents, socialists etc. politics is all about lowest common denominator stuff.

I'll laugh my arse off if/when the party you vote for in the next GE starts restoring the pay cuts, and you're on here incandescent with rage

it wont be happening in 2016 and I have told you the reasons why.

barneystinson

fliball123 wrote: »

There are still more none ps affiliated people in this country to vote...As I say when it is spelt out in black and white as a pay rise for the 300 and a pay cut for everyone else..We will see what way the wind blows on it

Yes, but what is the relative turnout of the two blocks on polling day..? I'd hazard it's substantially higher in my block than yours... You'd better get an early order in for a couple of megaphones to try to mobilise the troops when the time comes.

fliball123

barneystinson wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you'll find one, when the time comes!

No if the criteria I have set out is meet I have no bother with it..I do believe there are good people in the ps working away and deserve pay rises ..but only when we can afford them and only after others get alleviated first