Eircom fibre for direct to exchange news?

gnolan · 05-06-2015 10:39am

mass_debater wrote: »

Something to also note. If you're getting eFibre installed Eircom will install the modem and move or add a data port extension from the main socket to wherever you want it in the house (if possible and within reason). Vodafone cheap out and don't cover the cost of an in-house so the KN tech will replace and test at the main socket wherever it is and the modem is posted to the customer for self install. It may be worth going with Eircom for the first contract for this reason.

A few questions on that. What exactly does installation involve? It sounds like the main connection to the house will need to be replaced - is that correct? After that it's a matter of connecting to the new modem?

What exactly is a "data port extension" and why would it be beneficial to me?

Thanks.

mass_debater · 05-06-2015 11:56am

gnolan wrote: »

A few questions on that. What exactly does installation involve? It sounds like the main connection to the house will need to be replaced - is that correct? After that it's a matter of connecting to the new modem?

What exactly is a "data port extension" and why would it be beneficial to me?

Thanks.

Installation for Eircom is testing the line, changing the main socket to a new filtered one, moving it if required and installing the modem where you want it.
Installation for Vodafone or any other provider that don't provide an in-house is testing the line and replacing the main socket.

A data port extension is the running of a cat5 cable extension to move the data port so the modem can be plugged in some other place away from the main socket, max 25m.

Note, this is only on eFibre, standard ADSL does not get an in-house, the modem is posted to the customer.

gnolan · 05-06-2015 12:06pm

mass_debater wrote: »

Note, this is only on eFibre, standard ADSL does not get an in-house, the modem is posted to the customer.

From my line test results...

{
    "ccb": "002",
    "eee": "SND",
    "xbc": false,
    "xec": false,
    "xfc": false,
    "xrc": false,
    "inga": true,
    "ingb": true,
    "maxHSI": "18M_5M_R",
    "maxNGB": "2M_256K_RL",
    "maxNRA": "18M_7M_FR",
    "maxHSIServiceCode": "FCBPS",
    "maxNGBServiceCode": "NGNBMB8M",
    "maxNRAServiceCode": "FCBPS",
    "phone": "xxxxxx",
    "validationType": "phone",
    "completed": true,
    "partialAddresses": [],
    "isRedCustomer": false,
    "ina": false
}

I don't know if this would be actual eFibre for me or standard ADSL? If it is indeed eFibre then I'd probably do as you suggest and go with Eircom for the first contract.

ED E · 05-06-2015 1:02pm

"maxHSI": "18M_5M_R",
"maxNGB": "2M_256K_RL",
"maxNRA": "18M_7M_FR",

The two in bold are fibre, the 2Mb is your ADSL. If you order the upgrade theyll come out to fit the new socket.

kaizersoze · 05-06-2015 1:02pm

gnolan wrote: »

What exactly is a "data port extension" and why would it be beneficial to me?

Thanks.

In most cases, the main reason for a data port extension is due to the lack of a power socket beside the eircom master socket which the modem obviously needs.

ADSL modems were often connected to a phone extension socket in another room where it would have a power connection nearby or a phone extension cable ran under carpet etc. This set up will cause problems with eFibre.

gnolan · 05-06-2015 2:09pm

ED E wrote: »

The two in bold are fibre, the 2Mb is your ADSL. If you order the upgrade theyll come out to fit the new socket.

kaizersoze wrote: »

In most cases, the main reason for a data port extension is due to the lack of a power socket beside the eircom master socket which the modem obviously needs.

ADSL modems were often connected to a phone extension socket in another room where it would have a power connection nearby or a phone extension cable ran under carpet etc. This set up will cause problems with eFibre.

Thanks for the help, I'm sure these are fairly fundamental concepts but I think they're a big help.

joe_99 · 05-06-2015 2:18pm

There is some really good information on the eircom Wholesale website. Appendix 10 of the NGA IPM outlines in detail the procedure for in home installations including the Data port extension. In fairness to eircom Wholesale they have a lot a great information in the public domain. Their transparency compares very favourably to other telcos across europe.

eircomwholesale.ie/Products/Broadband/Next_Generation_Access/

dbit · 05-06-2015 3:50pm

Hated liking that statement Joe_99 but it is very true . Whole sale seem to be trying to bridge the gaps and lifting the shroud of mystery from theyre operations.

ClonNGB · 05-06-2015 4:04pm

Had a KN netowrks chap in yesterday to install efibre (told it was avaiable when I ordered a new lline). I had told him I was direct fed and the exchange wasn't enabled but he insisted it was. I was hoping to be wrong, but he disappeared off leaving nothing, no modem nothing. I phoned the 1901 number this morning to fine out what was up and they said the engineer was incorrect and no fibre avaiable. FFS. Back to stage 1.

Dermoth · 05-06-2015 4:51pm

ClonNGB wrote: »

Had a KN netowrks chap in yesterday to install efibre (told it was avaiable when I ordered a new lline). I had told him I was direct fed and the exchange wasn't enabled but he insisted it was. I was hoping to be wrong, but he disappeared off leaving nothing, no modem nothing. I phoned the 1901 number this morning to fine out what was up and they said the engineer was incorrect and no fibre avaiable. FFS. Back to stage 1.

Where in Clon are you? I'm in Desert and I have Fibre now. Only 14Mb but at least its' there.

ClonNGB · 05-06-2015 5:51pm

I am near the exchange. Ironic isn't it!

Earthday · 05-06-2015 10:19pm

any word from people, who never got broadband. Getting fibre? I live 1 mile from the nearest fibre cabinet. Problem is I'm on the " carrier " line, so most likely never get it, since the line are so outdated.

ED E · 05-06-2015 10:55pm

Earthday wrote: »

any word from people, who never got broadband. Getting fibre? I live 1 mile from the nearest fibre cabinet. Problem is I'm on the " carrier " line, so most likely never get it, since the line are so outdated.

Until you get off a carrier you can get nada.

dbit · 05-06-2015 11:06pm

ClonNGB wrote: »

Had a KN netowrks chap in yesterday to install efibre (told it was avaiable when I ordered a new lline). I had told him I was direct fed and the exchange wasn't enabled but he insisted it was. I was hoping to be wrong, but he disappeared off leaving nothing, no modem nothing. I phoned the 1901 number this morning to fine out what was up and they said the engineer was incorrect and no fibre available. FFS. Back to stage 1.

One great big giant wobbly pen1s , you too have experienced the slightly more advanced version of the Tantric eircom appointment only this time some one actually came. Pitty on the out cum , lolz. Well im staying in Macroom and i just put money down on a new gaff , Ahem ahem 300 meters from the exchange lolz. ( Carrigaline rentals have gone bloody nuts over the Siro push. No joke everything is 1,000 1,200 1,400 and 2,000 - think ill just wait )

bk · 05-06-2015 11:23pm

dbit wrote: »

( Carrigaline rentals have gone bloody nuts over the Siro push. No joke everything is 1,000 1,200 1,400 and 2,000 - think ill just wait )

Interesting. I know it is a pain for you personally, but I've long said that high speed broadband and in particular FTTH will have a positive effect on property and rental prices.

dbit · 05-06-2015 11:26pm

bk wrote: »

Interesting. I know it is a pain for you personally, but I've long said that high speed broadband and in particular FTTH will have a positive effect on property and rental prices.

Eyyye Jim lad ya did indeed i do recall. Just didnt expect that to happen so fast and to take such a jump.

dbit · 05-06-2015 11:33pm

ClonNGB wrote: »

I am near the exchange. Ironic isn't it!

The old Order a new line trick has fallen flat on its face then I take it ?? Did you not recieve a mail same as me stating live by end of july ??

lucernarian · 06-06-2015 7:07pm

Earthday wrote: »

any word from people, who never got broadband. Getting fibre? I live 1 mile from the nearest fibre cabinet. Problem is I'm on the " carrier " line, so most likely never get it, since the line are so outdated.

Complain to ComReg and eircom. Are you in the orange-shaded part or blue-shaded part of the map on this link?
http://www.broadband.gov.ie/

jay93 · 07-06-2015 6:36am

tuxy wrote: »

It's always a bad sign when Eircom can't give you an exact date.
I wonder will this be a problem for many people.

True it's never an exact time frame with them they told me to check back in a few months and that it will be sometime this year . I hope many people don't have this problem I was hoping once the exchange fibre went live I would be able to get efibre guess not

Earthday · 07-06-2015 11:14am

lucernarian wrote: »

Complain to ComReg and eircom. Are you in the orange-shaded part or blue-shaded part of the map on this link?
http://www.broadband.gov.ie/

darn! Just outside the blue-shaded, so yes I'm in the orange shaded part. Guess I have to wait see.

dbit · 08-06-2015 2:52pm

IS micheals script borked now enitrely ??

MichealKenny · 08-06-2015 6:35pm

dbit wrote: »

IS micheals script borked now enitrely ??

Yep, Eircom locked their API down a lot more.

dbit · 09-06-2015 9:05am

MichealKenny wrote: »

Yep, Eircom locked their API down a lot more.

Bound to happen with all the chatter in here using it and it falling over constantly due to us hammering the damn thing. ( Errr at least i was anyway)

dbit · 09-06-2015 12:23pm

Ed E, the NGA is reporting 20MB from the new addy , are there any evdsl speed results in here as yet ? (17MB from the old addy)

ED E · 09-06-2015 1:26pm

dbit wrote: »

Ed E, the NGA is reporting 20MB from the new addy , are there any evdsl speed results in here as yet ? (17MB from the old addy)

Theyre the same. eVDSL = FTTC VDSL2. No diff.

20Mb isn't a normal profile though.

Stable/Multicast High Speed Internet
Downstream Upstream Downstream Upstream
85 20 100 20
80 20 90 20
70 20 80 20
60 20 70 20
50 16 60 20
43 16 50 20
40 16 50 15
34 16 40 10
28 15 30 8
20 10 25 7
20 8 18 5
18 7 15 3
12 1 12 1
10 1 7 1
4 1

It should be offering 25_7 or 18_5. Safe to assume you'd get at least 18_5 with much lower pings than ADSL.

dbit · 09-06-2015 2:25pm

ED E wrote: »

Theyre the same. eVDSL = FTTC VDSL2. No diff.

20Mb isn't a normal profile though.

It should be offering 25_7 or 18_5. Safe to assume you'd get at least 18_5 with much lower pings than ADSL.

My bad i thought next gen access was ngb , i should have said my ngb test is 20MB from new addy closer to the exchange . So id guess i may see roughly 70-80 MB ?

ED E · 09-06-2015 3:07pm

Nah man. That could be 1200m. Try for 30 odd meg.

BandMember · 09-06-2015 4:06pm

Where do you find the name/number of your local exchange so that you can check it on those lists for when it is planned to be worked on/go live?

dbit · 09-06-2015 4:20pm

ED E wrote: »

Nah man. That could be 1200m. Try for 30 odd meg.

Nah current gaff is 900 meters this new gaff is 350 meters away from exchange itll be far more than 30MB.

ED E · 09-06-2015 5:05pm

dbit wrote: »

Nah current gaff is 900 meters this new gaff is 350 meters away from exchange itll be far more than 30MB.

Ahh you're sorted so.

Eircom fibre for direct to exchange news?

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