Protestors disrupting World War 1 commemoration at Glasnevin

P_1

end of the road wrote: »

in an irish context the british army will always be bad guys until the last bit of vermin who murdered a civilian in northern ireland is dead.

In your opinion. Sadly it's people who share your opinion that leads to people getting killed over silly things like bits of coloured cloth and bronze age fairy tales.

RollieFingers

God Save The Queen, she's welcome over this side of the pond at any time!

StudentDad

This is disgraceful behaviour. The attempted denigration of the legacies of men and women who went to war on our behalf. They were doing their patriotic duty when the country was at war.

It's hard to take seriously the yaps of small dogs who bark at those who paid the ultimate price for our benefit.

SD

bumper234

Nice to read this morning that the guards pepper sprayed a couple of these idiots and arrested them.

Jesus.

Happyman42 wrote: »

Sigh, if you don't understand that these protesters are diametrically opposed to SF and any thing they might say, then it is time for your beddy byes.

Well that's quite obvious isn't it? What I'm saying is, sometimes silence can be deafening. The other posters were quite wrong when they had a pop at SF over this. SF had nothing to do with this. RSF despise Adams, McGuinness et al.

All I'm saying is - admittedly probably in a bad way - is that for SF to continue to make inroads into the Southern electorate, it is very important that they repeatedly distance themselves from these groups because as we've seen on this thread, people are easily confused between official Sinn Fein and other groups using the Sinn Fein name.

Strazdas

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I love how people get on their high horses about the pettiest things.

She's not our Queen but she is a Queen - why should not refer to her as such?

In the English speaking world, "the Queen" is nearly always taken to mean Queen Elizabeth.....it's not as if there is some rival queen of equal importance on the global stage who it could also refer to, so it's perfectly acceptable for Irish people to refer to her as "the Queen".

Jesus.

any1butdublin3 wrote: »

I haven't seen the footage yet but I am going by attitudes of Anglo-Irish people I have experienced in the past, the sort of people who would wear a poppy and think the British Army can do no wrong.

With respect mate but that's where you've gone wrong here. Perhaps its understandable but you've gone on previous without giving the actual event that took place a chance.

I know what you're saying though.

Jesus.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I never said I'd be "okay" with it in any way, I simply said that I would respect their right to free expression regardless of how distasteful that expression might be.

Nobodies saying anything against freedom of expression. What I'm saying is, when solemn State events take place, protesters should be kept at a distance where they can't disrupt the ceremony.

If you're honestly telling me that in two years time it would be appropriate to allow the Orange Order just a few feet away from the GPO to destroy the occasion for the Irish people then I think you've lost the plot pal.

hatrickpatrick

Jesus. wrote: »

Nobodies saying anything against freedom of expression. What I'm saying is, when solemn State events take place, protesters should be kept at a distance where they can't disrupt the ceremony.

In other words, at a distance where their objections can be ignored and go unacknowledged.

If you're honestly telling me that in two years time it would be appropriate to allow the Orange Order just a few feet away from the GPO to destroy the occasion for the Irish people then I think you've lost the plot pal.

Fair enough. I haven't, though.

pojfexcsc

Hunterbiker wrote: »

The British Army are 'there' as in NI not 'here' as in the RoI - unless you are referring to pre independebce times.

Theresa Villiers is Secretary of State for Northern Ireland so was there as the UK Govt representative I imagine.

Here as in Ireland yes.

I'm clearly fully aware who that hypocritical bitch is.

SEPT 23 1989

Strazdas wrote: »

In the English speaking world, "the Queen" is nearly always taken to mean Queen Elizabeth.....it's not as if there is some rival queen of equal importance on the global stage who it could also refer to, so it's perfectly acceptable for Irish people to refer to her as "the Queen".

They call her the "British Queen":D

Santa Cruz

Strazdas wrote: »

It's surely one of the worst stunts Irish republicans have ever pulled. You do not go along and disrupt a solemn memorial service for the dead.

ENNISKILLEN

AudreyHepburn

any1butdublin3 wrote: »

But just look how the army were treating N.Ireland catholics just a couple of decades ago, many of those catholics had grandfathers, etc who fought in WW1, it is a pity they couldn't show some respect and compassion when marching like thugs around the streets of N.Ireland

In all fairness an awful lot of those Irish Catholics were just bad as the British.

Atrocities were committed on both sides, as I think we all well know, and those who were involved were no more than thugs and terrorists, they don't deserve compassion.

end of the road

Strazdas wrote: »

It's not as if the British Army had any particular opinion on NI remaining within the UK or becoming part of a united Ireland.

didn't they? really? yeah.

end of the road

FierceMild wrote: »

Free State. Poppy Fascism. Secret Police.

I've never seen so many Dissident Republican buzzwords in a sentence before.

Poppy Fascism exists and is a severe threat to societies where it exists, those involved in Poppy Fascism are as extreme in their view as the likes of isis but not as violent, or even not violent at all

snaphook

Were any of them wearing the new Man U jersey?

pojfexcsc

Its mad how in everyday life I'd be seen as quite a moderate Nationalist but on this thank christ unrepresentative of the majority website any type of Nationalist outlook is looked down on with such disdain, anyone with any sort of Republican outlook may aswell be a mental bomber in some peoples eyes.

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

In all fairness an awful lot of those Irish Catholics were just bad as the British.

Atrocities were committed on both sides, as I think we all well know, and those who were involved were no more than thugs and terrorists, they don't deserve compassion.

If its really that simple for you then I think you need to have a broader outlook on the subject.

Both sides committed horrible acts clearly but the fact one was one of the supposed most respected armies in the world going around killing and torturing innocent people who in their eyes were citizens they were supposed to be looking after is where the waters get muddy.

Could you really blame a man or woman whos family were murdered by these forces and look down their guns at your wife,child everyday from resisting them?

end of the road

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

A word of advise - stop trying to speak for all the Irish, as if we all as blinded by hate and caught in the past as you.

The vast majority of us know it's time to move on and want to do so.

People like you are the reason the North is still a time-bomb.

when the last bit of BA vermin who murdered a civilian in northern ireland is dead and northern ireland is returned back under irish rule then we can all move on, until then i and many others will keep speaking the truth and the people will listen whether they want to or not, and whether they like it or not

Strazdas

end of the road wrote: »

didn't they? really? yeah.

Why would the British Army want NI to remain within the UK? The Troubles were a sectarian conflict between republicanism and loyalism and also republicanism waging war on the British state. The Army were not the main players on the stage and were placed into the middle of it by their government. For sure, they behaved very badly at times but they were not the main cause of the sectarian conflict, more a symptom.

end of the road

RollieFingers wrote: »

God Save The Queen, she's welcome over this side of the pond at any time!

as long as you and everyone else who agrees pays for it, i don't see why i and those of us who don't want her should have to pay for her

AudreyHepburn

end of the road wrote: »

when the last bit of BA vermin who murdered a civilian in northern ireland is dead and northern ireland is returned back under irish rule then we can all move on, until then i and many others will keep speaking the truth and the people will listen whether they want to or not, and whether they like it or not

If you think what you speak is the truth I pity you.

You will not force me or anyone else to listen to or agree with you and the fact that you think you can just show me what kind of mindset you have.

It must be a terribly miserable life to live, to be stuck in a past filled with violence and bloodshed all the time.

VinLieger

end of the road wrote: »

when the last bit of BA vermin who murdered a civilian in northern ireland is dead and northern ireland is returned back under irish rule then we can all move on, until then i and many others will keep speaking the truth and the people will listen whether they want to or not, and whether they like it or not

Northern Ireland was never under Irish rule so how can it be returned back under Irish rule?

Also you are saying you will fight in mine and others names even though we don't want you to?

AudreyHepburn

pojfexcsc wrote: »

Its mad how in everyday life I'd be seen as quite a moderate Nationalist but on this thank christ unrepresentative of the majority website any type of Nationalist outlook is looked down on with such disdain, anyone with any sort of Republican outlook may aswell be a mental bomber in some peoples eyes.




If its really that simple for you then I think you need to have a broader outlook on the subject.

Both sides committed horrible acts clearly but the fact one was one of the supposed most respected armies in the world going around killing and torturing innocent people who in their eyes were citizens they were supposed to be looking after is where the waters get muddy.

Could you really blame a man or woman whos family were murdered by these forces and look down their guns at your wife,child everyday from resisting them?

It is that simple.

Just because those on the Nationalist/Republican side were not an officially recognized army does make them any more right in their actions.

Of course I have sympathy for any innocents on all sides who suffered. I just don't think holding on to the past helps anyone.

The current British troops have nothing to do with the Troubles.

pojfexcsc

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

It is that simple.

Just because those on the Nationalist/Republican side were not an officially recognized army does make them any more right in their actions.

Of course I have sympathy for any innocents on all sides who suffered. I just don't think holding on to the past helps anyone.

The current British troops have nothing to do with the Troubles.

Its really not.

Its easy to say lets move on stop holding onto the past but for 1000s of normal innocent Irish people thats just not possible when they know the scumbags that did irreparable damage to their families are still walking around today without any threat of prosecution because the brits want to protect their pals.

Sit down with one of these people and tell them to move on and see what happens.

AudreyHepburn

pojfexcsc wrote: »

Its really not.

Its easy to say lets move on stop holding onto the past but for 1000s of normal innocent Irish people thats just not possible when they know the scumbags that did irreparable damage to their families are still walking around today without any threat of prosecution because the brits want to protect their pals.

Sit down with one of these people and tell them to move on and see what happens.

I'm not saying it's easy for anyone to move on.

I'm just saying I hope and pray they'll find a way eventually because dwelling on the past and allowing to poison the present will not help anyone.

And I say again, pretending the Irish were completely innocent in all this is madness.

mickydoomsux

end of the road wrote: »

as long as you and everyone else who agrees pays for it, i don't see why i and those of us who don't want her should have to pay for her

I don't particularly like vehement republicans like yourself so I don't want my tax money paying for services you and your ilk use.

See, we can all play this game till the cows come home.

pojfexcsc

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I'm not saying it's easy for anyone to move on.

I'm just saying I hope and pray they'll find a way eventually because dwelling on the past and allowing to poison the present will not help anyone.

And I say again, pretending the Irish were completely innocent in all this is madness.

Have a longer memory than 1 post I said both sides had blood on their hands, seeking justice for your loved one who was murdered isnt dwelling on the past in my book.

I swear you'd get more condemnation from British people about the actions of their army than Irish people sometimes.

Happyman42

Jesus. wrote: »

Well that's quite obvious isn't it? What I'm saying is, sometimes silence can be deafening. The other posters were quite wrong when they had a pop at SF over this. SF had nothing to do with this. RSF despise Adams, McGuinness et al.

All I'm saying is - admittedly probably in a bad way - is that for SF to continue to make inroads into the Southern electorate, it is very important that they repeatedly distance themselves from these groups because as we've seen on this thread, people are easily confused between official Sinn Fein and other groups using the Sinn Fein name.

Isn't that all that these protesters where doing, making it clear what they believe in?

And please don't try and say you meant something else, it was clear from your 'it would shut them up' comment that you had no idea of the relationship between SF and RSF/EIrigi etc.
It isn't SF's fault if southern Irish 'citizens' are confused...educate yourself before commenting.

Mosby61

VinLieger wrote: »

Northern Ireland was never under Irish rule so how can it be returned back under Irish rule?

Also you are saying you will fight in mine and others names even though we don't want you to?

It is the biggest Republican myth. Most of Ulster was never in a Irish Republic.

Mosby61

Happyman42 wrote: »

Isn't that all that these protesters where doing, making it clear what they believe in?

And please don't try and say you meant something else, it was clear from your 'it would shut them up' comment that you had no idea of the relationship between SF and RSF/EIrigi etc.
It isn't SF's fault if southern Irish 'citizens' are confused...educate yourself before commenting.

Shouting and yelling like lunatics at a remembrance service is so low and shows they have no dignity at all. It was a disgrace to most normal Irish and British people.