2015 NFL Draft

Paully D

JCTO wrote: »

Excellent work Paully.

Just on Carr I would agree with EE to some extent Carr was one of the best given the class he was in. I will give him credit though he called it. But for me there is very little between Bridgewater and Carr right now when you break down their pro careers. Adding to that you have guys who have yet to be given a full chance. Jimmy Garoppolo for one. Think its been mentioned before but you really do have to give it at least 3 seasons before you can rate a QB draft class.

For me I thought Shane Carden might move up the Draft board but his performance in the Senior bowl hurt him. His 3rd down rate in 2014 was 65.1. With the Mariota and Winston you know they will be taken high no matter what but I think the value is with someone like Mannion because you know he will drop and probably find a team where he wont get thrown into the deep end.

Completely agree mate.

I'm a Bridgewater guy, always was throughout the whole draft process and I think he will end up being the best when all is said and done (I had Carr ranked #2 behind him), but you can definitely make an argument for Carr too.

Morrison J

Paully D wrote: »

Completely agree mate.

I'm a Bridgewater guy, always was throughout the whole draft process and I think he will end up being the best when all is said and done (I had Carr ranked #2 behind him), but you can definitely make an argument for Carr too.

Whats the name of the book out of interest? Sounds very interesting.

Paully D

Morrison J wrote: »

Whats the name of the book out of interest? Sounds very interesting.

It's called The QB: The Making of Modern Quarterbacks by Bruce Feldman. There was an extract of it featured on Peter King's MMQB website about Aaron Rodgers which many may find interesting too:

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/12/11/nfl-aaron-rodgers-bruce-feldman-the-making-of-modern-quarterbacks-the-qb/

It's a good book, worth a read and there's some nice stories in it but it didn't blow me away or anything. I would love for him to have gone a bit deeper into the analytical side of things but that only really gets a few pages at the end so if you're hoping to find a lot of that sort of stuff in it you'll be disappointed.

UnitedIrishman

Fair play Paully. Might just get myself a copy of that.

With Carr last year, the thing that impressed me was that he knew each game and last season was a learning period. It was if he knew straight up that it was more to do with him acclimatising to the league and just working on himself in a sub-standard team. He as more mature than others. Bit by bit the rest of the team will improve - he hopes of course. Whereas Blake Bortles looked like a guy that came in wanting to do everything and try and win games that he was never going to win. But have the Jags or he really learned anything? I don't think their skill sets are all that far apart but I do think that Carr has the head that Bortles doesn't. Bridgewater is a notch above that ahead with his mindset/mental ability (**** choice of words) and he came into a more complete team.

eagle eye

Just on Sean Mannion I think he will make it in the NFL if he is drafted by the right team. I like nearly everything about him except for that habit of going backwards to try and make a completion. He doesn't throw the wild ball up for grabs but he loses too many yards before taking the sack and leaves himself in a hole with a 15-20 yard loss. That can be coached out of him I'm pretty certain and that makes him a real good prospect.

All along I've said that the QB that interests me the most is Brett Hundley. I cannot say how much this guy excites me. There are a lot of questions to be answered though and I don't see him as a first year starter. He needs to go into a system where he will sit for a year or two and learn from a good QB. I think he could turn out to be the best QB in this class in time.

So basically for an instant hit I'd take Mannion but for long term success I'd take Hundley.

I'm not a huge fan of this QB class overall though. Does anybody really see Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota being a long term solution anywhere?

Pyjamarama

eagle eye wrote: »

Just on Sean Mannion I think he will make it in the NFL if he is drafted by the right team. I like nearly everything about him except for that habit of going backwards to try and make a completion. He doesn't throw the wild ball up for grabs but he loses too many yards before taking the sack and leaves himself in a hole with a 15-20 yard loss. That can be coached out of him I'm pretty certain and that makes him a real good prospect.

All along I've said that the QB that interests me the most is Brett Hundley. I cannot say how much this guy excites me. There are a lot of questions to be answered though and I don't see him as a first year starter. He needs to go into a system where he will sit for a year or two and learn from a good QB. I think he could turn out to be the best QB in this class in time.

So basically for an instant hit I'd take Mannion but for long term success I'd take Hundley.

I'm not a huge fan of this QB class overall though. Does anybody really see Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota being a long term solution anywhere?

If Winston stays clean he'll be a superb QB. I think the Eagles will draft Hundley. He'll sit behind Bradford this year and learn. Agree he has all the tools needed to be a superstar. Mariota can be a success but he needs to be in the right situation for sure. Its not an awful QB class but not an amazing one either. Better than last years for sure tho.

i think huntley in particular will be over drafted i wouldn't take him before the 4th or late 3rd if i really liked him

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm not a huge fan of this QB class overall though. Does anybody really see Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota being a long term solution anywhere?

i think winston will be a star i think his off the field issues are overblown and his teammates/coaches love him by all accounts also he's massively talented i dont think it should ever have been a question of who will be taken no 1 overall.

mariota could be for the right team but i think he's more of a project or at the very least more of an unknown than some people realise

mikemac1

Greg Cossell who does nothing but watch college tape ripped Huntley. Using scouting terms like no internal clock and no feel for the pocket

He does like this guy. Brandon Bridge from Southern Alabama

6' 5", 235lb, 4.67 40 time and supposed to have one of the strongest arms in the draft.

A possiblilty he won't get drafted and in interviews he says he's ready to go to the CFL if he doesn't make a team. Might be a late round pick for someone, Ravens need a backup QB anyway

Just throwing the name into the thread

JCTO

I like Hundley but I do think he has some flaws that could be his down fall in the NFL if he doesn't fix them. His pocket awareness is terrible at times and when pressured he gets caught in two minds on whether to tuck it and go or throw it. If he doesn't adjust himself in the pros and make better decisions in the pocket he will get crushed in the Pros. What he needs is someone to grab him 4th or 5th round and sit him and let him learn the game behind a solid starter.

In fact I think all of the QBs in the Draft right now are not ready to start in the Pros. They all have flaws that need work but as usual teams will take some of them high, start them and burn them out like QBs in the past.

For me I think Shane Carden could be a gem if the right team grabs him and works on his flaws and let him sit and work as a backup.

phatkev

JCTO wrote: »

. His pocket awareness is terrible at times and when pressured he gets caught in two minds on whether to tuck it and go or throw it. If he doesn't adjust himself in the pros and make better decisions in the pocket he will get crushed in the Pros.

Agree with this. Although I dont think he gets caught in two minds he seems to run every time theres a hint of pressure in the pocket. Once he takes off he's never looking down the field for receiver, the rock is tucked under his arm and his heads down. I dont know if that can be coached out of him too easily and is the reason GM/HC wont go near him before the 3rd round imo

JaMarcusHustle

Peter King reckons that Jameis won't be attending the draft.

Jovetic

Pity Cardale didn't declare it's a very weak QB class

interesting that jamis wants to stay home with his family whens the last time a number 1 overall pick has not attended the draft?

franglan

Jovetic wrote: »

Pity Cardale didn't declare it's a very weak QB class

There isin't enough tape on him. Best option was to return to college, think he would have been a 3rd day pick if he had declared - even if teams were intrigued.

tgdaly

Mathew Red Climber wrote: »

interesting that jamis wants to stay home with his family whens the last time a number 1 overall pick has not attended the draft?

1994, Dan Wilkinson a defensive tackle from Ohio State drafted by the Bengals number 1

Jovetic

franglan wrote: »

There isin't enough tape on him. Best option was to return to college, think he would have been a 3rd day pick if he had declared - even if teams were intrigued.

he should have entered now while his stock is high.

he might not get a chance again to make the pros

limerickfc

I'm presuming GB will take an ILB With theirs 1st round pick..has any1 any preference between Kendricks Mckinney Dawson or Perryman..I seem to be leaning towards Perryman myself

Paully D

Unsure if this has been posted before, but the Fanspeak Draft Simulator is quite fun if you have 20 minutes to spare:

http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/

I've just come up with the below for the Ravens:



I'd be very happy if we came up with something like the above on draft night. 4 major needs covered with the first 4 picks, all who I feel are decent picks. Then some nice projects with potential at the bottom of the draft. Though the Ravens going offense with 3 of their first 4 picks and not taking best player available all draft is about as likely as me waking up next to Kate Upton tomorrow morning! :pac:

HigginsJ

limerickfc wrote: »

I'm presuming GB will take an ILB With theirs 1st round pick..has any1 any preference between Kendricks Mckinney Dawson or Perryman..I seem to be leaning towards Perryman myself

The Pack will have their pick of all these guys in the 1st if they choose to go that way. I would go with Perryman as well. He is fantastic against the run & is not as big a liability in coverage as people make out.

raze_them_all_

HigginsJ wrote: »

The Pack will have their pick of all these guys in the 1st if they choose to go that way. I would go with Perryman as well. He is fantastic against the run & is not as big a liability in coverage as people make out.

hard to see them not taking defensive guys to be honest they kept the main offensive guys and cut loads of defensive/st guys

UnitedIrishman

It'll more than likely be an ILB in the first and then DT or CB in the following rounds. Williams and House going are a loss but there was no point paying them over the odds when we have Shields, Hayward and Hyde currently. Our offense is set so we really need to find some gems on defense..... And sack Capers. :pac:

HigginsJ

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/19/chargers-mariota-talk-isnt-going-away/

This seems like a rather strange one, what would fans of both sides think?

tgdaly

HigginsJ wrote: »

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/19/chargers-mariota-talk-isnt-going-away/

This seems like a rather strange one, what would fans of both sides think?

I couldn't see that happening myself. It would surely be a kings ransom to trade up from 17 and get Mariota. He is surely going to go in the top 5, whether he be drafted by someone there or another team making a shorter jump up? Also don't see Rivers playing on that team if they draft Mariota, basically saying you're gone after one year. Basically means they would have to trade him which could be a cap problem for teams. Also surely the Titans wouldn't trade for Rivers, seeing as I've seen plenty of comments on here about how they are gonna stick with Mettenberger. Wouldn't make sense to trade for a guy who has one year left on his contract and could be gone next free agency or require a megabucks contract rather than draft a potential franchise quarterback and have some cap relief the next 4 years (in relation to the Mettenberger situation I mean, would be different if they had no quarterback)

limerickfc

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

It'll more than likely be an ILB in the first and then DT or CB in the following rounds. Williams and House going are a loss but there was no point paying them over the odds when we have Shields, Hayward and Hyde currently. Our offense is set so we really need to find some gems on defense..... And sack Capers. :pac:

Ya ILB and DT are definitely the most alarming needs..was thinking as well that if they took a good DT such as Jordan Philips in the 1st round they could still take Stephone Anthony at the end of the second.. That way they get 2 quality players in positions of need without having to trade up in the second?

helimachoptor

Randy Gregory OLb and expected to go off the board high has failed a drug test

helimachoptor

helimachoptor wrote: »

Randy Gregory OLb and expected to go off the board high has failed a drug test

Marijuana for anyone wondering. It's been a problem for him numerous times in Nebraska (threatened being dropped from their program at one stage).
He enters the league in "stage 1" so any further lapses and he's in Josh Gordon territory. I doubt he'll fall from the first with such talent and the amount of teams that need a pass rusher but I doubt he goes top 10 now.
From a Ravens point of view he'll probably slide near enough at 26 but they won't pull the trigger because of last season and the running back who will not be named.

helimachoptor

helimachoptor wrote: »

Randy Gregory OLb and expected to go off the board high has failed a drug test

absolute idiot all he had to do was stay clean for a few months and he's likely a top 5 pick and guaranteed millionaire some of these prospects really are idiots even with how talented he is i dont think i would touch him in the first now

Jovetic

He has certainly fallen on my draft board :cool:

limerickfc

What an idiot..everyone knows theirs a mandatory test how could he possibly mess up so bad..on the other side though if he cops onto himself someone gonna get a steal somewhere around the late teens, early twenties