Trivial things that annoy you Part 43

HugsiePie

People.

Just people in general.

SpaceCowb0y

HugsiePie wrote: »

People.

Just people in general.

I agree... people are dumb!

Czarcasm

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Then why pay to go? If the demand stopped, so too would the supply. I'd rather my child doesn't see an animal than see a sad, broken spirit in a circus

Well I mean, you could say the same about domesticated animals, and yet people don't see any issue with keeping them as pets and feeding them artificial nutrition?

My point is that we are all entitled to make choices, and only a small minority of people choose to treat animals cruelly, but does that mean we should deny everyone the enjoyment of these marvelous creatures because of the actions of a minority?

If animal activism is your thing, then why go about it in half measures applying standards where they suit you (not you personally ONW), and ignoring standards when they don't?

Dramatik

When you realise you've been walking around for half the day with a bit of food stuck in your teeth and nobody told you

OldNotWIse

Czarcasm wrote: »

Well I mean, you could say the same about domesticated animals, and yet people don't see any issue with keeping them as pets and feeding them artificial nutrition?

My point is that we are all entitled to make choices, and only a small minority of people choose to treat animals cruelly, but does that mean we should deny everyone the enjoyment of these marvelous creatures because of the actions of a minority?

If animal activism is your thing, then why go about it in half measures applying standards where they suit you (not you personally ONW), and ignoring standards when they don't?

Sorry I didn't realise morality was all or nothing.

Czarcasm

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Sorry I didn't realise morality was all or nothing.

It's not, that's my point, and that's why I said that though I'm aware of the animal cruelty, I'd still like to go see the animals.

Maximus Alexander

OldNotWIse wrote: »

That's just spin. How would you like to spend your life in an airplane seat?

That's a bit disingenuous isn't it? A more apt comparison would be to ask how you'd like to be trapped in your house (and garden) for your entire life.

I think we can all agree that it wouldn't be ideal, but on the other hand if you didn't know any different it would probably be fine.

Don't get me wrong, I abhor animal cruelty, but animals in zoos are not ill treated and while I can see where you're coming from, I'd wager that for the most part zoo animals are pretty happy.

I think a lot of the time people anthropomorphise animals and credit them with a lot more self awareness than they really have. They're not running around their enclosures yearning for the wide open grasslands of the savannah, they don't have that kind of intellectual capacity.

OldNotWIse

Czarcasm wrote: »

It's not, that's my point, and that's why I said that though I'm aware of the animal cruelty, I'd still like to go see the animals.

But you also said, if people are so concerned with animal welfare, they should do it properly rather than when it suits them. Is that not implying that it's all or nothing?

OldNotWIse

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

That's a bit disingenuous isn't it? A more apt comparison would be to ask how you'd like to be trapped in your house (and garden) for your entire life.

I think we can all agree that it wouldn't be ideal, but on the other hand if you didn't know any different it would probably be fine.

Don't get me wrong, I abhor animal cruelty, but animals in zoos are not ill treated and while I can see where you're coming from, I'd wager that for the most part zoo animals are pretty happy.

I think a lot of the time people anthropomorphise animals and credit them with a lot more self awareness than they really have. They're not running around their enclosures yearning for the wide open grasslands of the savannah, they don't have that kind of intellectual capacity.

It's ironic in a discussion about animals in captivity and performing tricks that you can suggest those who are against it are antropomorphising them - I would have thought the ones clapping gleefully as the bear cycles are more guilty of that one.

gramar

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I abhor animal cruelty, but animals in zoos are not ill treated and while I can see where you're coming from, I'd wager that for the most part zoo animals are pretty happy.

I think a lot of the time people anthropomorphise animals and credit them with a lot more self awareness than they really have. They're not running around their enclosures yearning for the wide open grasslands of the savannah, they don't have that kind of intellectual capacity.

I disagree.

Maximus Alexander

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I would have thought the ones clapping gleefully as the bear cycles are more guilty of that one.

What zoo were you at? :eek:

Maximus Alexander

gramar wrote: »

I disagree.

You're welcome to.

Fat Christy

gramar wrote: »

I disagree.

Ditto.

I feel strongly about this subject so I'm going to bow out. I don't like getting into the serious discussion on here, I get angry.

I hate both zoo's and circuses and I'm never going to change my mind about either. Sometimes I wish the animals would break out, run free and eat everyone that tries to stop them.

P.S: I hate humans. We're like a plague that takes over, all we do is consume and destroy. This thread is making my Monday worse. Gawd, I need some coffee.

eisenberg1

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

That's a bit disingenuous isn't it? A more apt comparison would be to ask how you'd like to be trapped in your house (and garden) for your entire life.

I think we can all agree that it wouldn't be ideal, but on the other hand if you didn't know any different it would probably be fine.

Don't get me wrong, I abhor animal cruelty, but animals in zoos are not ill treated and while I can see where you're coming from, I'd wager that for the most part zoo animals are pretty happy.

I think a lot of the time people anthropomorphise animals and credit them with a lot more self awareness than they really have. They're not running around their enclosures yearning for the wide open grasslands of the savannah, they don't have that kind of intellectual capacity.

I suspect zoos may work to a degree for some animals, the smaller ones in general (maybe) but you don't have to be an expert to know the polar bears are stressed out big time ( the constant pacing back and forth). I would hazard a guess and say polar bears would require a space approx. the size of the phoenix park, never mind the entire zoo.

Czarcasm

OldNotWIse wrote: »

But you also said, if people are so concerned with animal welfare, they should do it properly rather than when it suits them. Is that not implying that it's all or nothing?

Yes, it is, I mean, do you not see the flaw in someone staging a protest outside a circus before they have to get home to feed their dog that's been left inside all day with some arficial food and a tiny bowl of water to wash it down, while they make themselves chicken curry for dinner and talk to their OH about those poor animals all confined in the circus/zoo being mistreated for peoples entertainment and those mean people that don't care about the animals...

I mean, it's a bit "odd" to say the least, that they can berate other people for what they see as supporting animal cruelty, when they're no better themselves for keeping animals in captivity and killing animals for food when it's not necessary.

I'm all for respecting animal rights and vegetarians, vegans and all the rest of it, but while I respect those rights, they have a responsibility not to impose their views on me.

We're probably never gonna see eye to eye on this one tbh.

Cruelty to animals isn't okay just because some people may or may not be hypocrites about it

SpaceCowb0y

I hate the Zoo... last time i went was a few years ago, i took my ex's kid over and whgen we got to the monkeys i have never felt so depressed on my entire life! Fucking orangutan was standing right up against the glass knocking with a look on his face that just said screamed "Fuck my life". I have never seen a more unhappy looking dude in my life!

The only times i think Zoo's help are when it comes to animals on the endangered species list and their hard work trying to help save the species through mating animals etc. Rather a sad animal then a non-existent one but overall i feel they are grim places. I won't be going back in a hurry. Fota in Cork isn't as bad as Dublin as they don't have the same types of animals and are given larger areas to live in but still not ideal to being where they belong.

gramar

In the place I visited a few weeks back there were splodges of what seemed like shít on the wall.
How they got there soon became apparent. A female chimp squatted down in front of me and shat. Then picked it up, put it in her mouth before going over to the wall and pressing the masticated faeces against the wall with her mouth.
Mind numbing boredom behind a glass wall, surrounded by concrete and a few wooden poles to swing on.
24hrs a day. 365 days a year.

A wolf behind a glass wall, panting in the heat in his 200m2 pen. Bears lying belly up in the shade almost inviting you to shoot them and be taken out of their misery. I won't list them all but you get the picture.

Granted, they mightn't know where they should be but I'm sure they know they shouldn't be where they were.

Czarcasm

bluewolf wrote: »

Cruelty to animals isn't okay just because some people may or may not be hypocrites about it

I think that's the one point everyone here can agree on, and yes, I know it makes me a hypocrite that I abhor animal cruelty while at the same time paying to see these exotic animals in captivity, but I make that choice because I'm never going to see these animals in their natural habitat, and there's a hell of a difference between staring at a picture of an elephant and standing toe to toe with one, even just to give you a perspective on just how small you are in the world compared to this ten ton magnificent beast, even if he is drugged up to the eyeballs so he doesn't break every bone in your body!

Buzz Killington the third

OldNotWIse wrote: »

That's just spin. How would you like to spend your life in an airplane seat?

If it's ryanair, then no thanks!

OldNotWIse

Czarcasm wrote: »

Yes, it is, I mean, do you not see the flaw in someone staging a protest outside a circus before they have to get home to feed their dog that's been left inside all day with some arficial food and a tiny bowl of water to wash it down, while they make themselves chicken curry for dinner and talk to their OH about those poor animals all confined in the circus/zoo being mistreated for peoples entertainment and those mean people that don't care about the animals...

I mean, it's a bit "odd" to say the least, that they can berate other people for what they see as supporting animal cruelty, when they're no better themselves for keeping animals in captivity and killing animals for food when it's not necessary.

I'm all for respecting animal rights and vegetarians, vegans and all the rest of it, but while I respect those rights, they have a responsibility not to impose their views on me.

We're probably never gonna see eye to eye on this one tbh.

How do you know they leave their dog all day? What about the people who dont leave their dog all day and protest? Is lobbying and protesting and raising awareness somehow not as effective if someone goes home and eats a curry? You can play the extremes card if you want but it can be seen right through. Ten million children a year die from starvation - but sure you dont really care about any of them if you'd rather bring your own child to Smiths and spend a small fortune on him, willfully blind to the fact that what you spent might have kept another child fed for 6 months - ridiculous isn't it?

OldNotWIse

gramar wrote: »

In the place I visited a few weeks back there were splodges of what seemed like shít on the wall.
How they got there soon became apparent. A female chimp squatted down in front of me and shat. Then picked it up, put it in her mouth before going over to the wall and pressing the masticated faeces against the wall with her mouth.
Mind numbing boredom behind a glass wall, surrounded by concrete and a few wooden poles to swing on.
24hrs a day. 365 days a year.

A wolf behind a glass wall, panting in the heat in his 200m2 pen. Bears lying belly up in the shade almost inviting you to shoot them and be taken out of their misery. I won't list them all but you get the picture.

Granted, they mightn't know where they should be but I'm sure they know they shouldn't be where they were.

But sure aren't animals ignorant and therefore blissfully happy no matter where they are put? If they dont know any better, it's ok to drug them and keep them captive. Anyway you're not entitled to an opinion - everything you say and do is invalidated by the big mac you had for lunch.

Buzz Killington the third

Guys, you're arguing on the internet... there's no winner here! :pac:

LynnGrace

gramar wrote: »

I've never heard that exactly but you do hear people saying to 'get into a snot' about something. Been known to get into one myself from time to time!

I think 'she's in her snots' is someone getting it arséways. Sounds bad alright but shur jaysus no need to get into a snot about it!

Someone I worked with used to say 'throw the bull', for getting angry or annoyed, e.g 'if that isn't ready for such and such when he calls in, he might throw the bull'.

I've a great image now of a poor bemused bull flying through the air

Maximus Alexander

I hate when I decide to have a healthy lunch but badly misjudge it and end up with a grumbling stomach by 5pm. At least two hours before I can eat anything and I have to go for a run first damn it.

OldNotWIse

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I hate when I decide to have a healthy lunch but badly misjudge it and end up with a grumbling stomach by 5pm. At least two hours before I can eat anything and I have to go for a run first damn it.

Or having something really big during morning break so you're not hungrya t lunchtime but then the space between lunchtime and dinner seems enormous

failinis

It is Dr. Frankenstein and his monster, Adam.
Does my head in when people call the monster Frankenstein.

eisenberg1

Mods, please change the title of this thread........its annoying me more than trivially

OldNotWIse

eisenberg1 wrote: »

Mods, please change the title of this thread........its annoying me more than trivially

Dont encourage them. Every time I look it's been changed

Czarcasm

OldNotWIse wrote: »

How do you know they leave their dog all day? What about the people who dont leave their dog all day and protest? Is lobbying and protesting and raising awareness somehow not as effective if someone goes home and eats a curry? You can play the extremes card if you want but it can be seen right through. Ten million children a year die from starvation - but sure you dont really care about any of them if you'd rather bring your own child to Smiths and spend a small fortune on him, willfully blind to the fact that what you spent might have kept another child fed for 6 months - ridiculous isn't it?

People going out to work and leaving their pets at home indoors is hardly extreme, let alone cooking chicken curry for dinner? Ten million starving African children on the other hand is a whole different ball game when you have animal rights activists preventing them from doing what they've done for millenia which is to hunt animals and kill them for food. Instead we'll ship over a few foil packs of peanut butter to ease our collective conscience while some people will walk past homeless people only yards from their own doorsteps.

I'm not going to jump down those peoples throats though as I understand we all care in our own ways about the issues that mean more to us than they might mean to someone else.