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Schools Cup 2014/2015 *mod warning post 1*

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    #152
    .ak
    Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »

    Looking at the other pics of that ref made the right call. Deserved red card. Anyone at game feel different?

    Can't really comment on anything other than the pics but I thought it'd be harsh - both players going for the ball, both have their feet off the ground.

    In real time it'd be hard to call though.


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    #153
    milosh
    Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭milosh


    rughug wrote: »
    Boys, any results from the Leinster Schools Senior League games today. First round of games

    Castleknock beat Pres Bray at senior 37-21 and Junior 10-6


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    #154
    Hagz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    .ak wrote: »
    Can't really comment on anything other than the pics but I thought it'd be harsh - both players going for the ball, both have their feet off the ground.

    It's the newly introduce "Jared Payne" rule isn't it. I'm not in favour of it. I don't think it should matter how the player lands. If the other player has his eyes on the ball and both feet off the ground, fair game.

    Of course, this is no comment on the pictured incident.


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    #155
    The Lost Sheep
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    rughug wrote: »
    Boys, any results from the Leinster Schools Senior League games today. First round of games
    Roscrea beat Wesley 39-14
    Hagz wrote: »
    It's the newly introduce "Jared Payne" rule isn't it. I'm not in favour of it. I don't think it should matter how the player lands. If the other player has his eyes on the ball and both feet off the ground, fair game.

    Of course, this is no comment on the pictured incident.
    No it isn't and Jared Payne has nothing to do with it. How the player lands has a role. If other player has eyes on ball and both feet off the ground it isn't "fair game"


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    #156
    stellenbosch
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    milosh wrote: »
    Castleknock beat Pres Bray at senior 37-21 and Junior 10-6

    Was at CBC/Kilkenny game-CBC won 18-6 with a very weakened side due to injury --3 tries and a PK to 2 PKs

    Gonzaga 28-CUS 7


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    #157
    Hagz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    No it isn't and Jared Payne has nothing to do with it. How the player lands has a role. If other player has eyes on ball and both feet off the ground it isn't "fair game"

    All of that sentence confused me haha. It might not be a newly introduced rule, but it most certainly was revised after the Jared Payne incident. That's not to say that things changed after the Jared Payne incident specifically. Remember? First there was the Jared Payne incident, and then there was like an unusual spate of similar incidents, and then how the player landed became a factor. It wasn't like that before. I don't see why it should have a role.

    If both players have both feet off the ground and eyes on the ball, why isn't it fair game?


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    #158
    The Lost Sheep
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    Hagz wrote: »
    All of that sentence confused me haha. It might not be a newly introduced rule, but it most certainly was revised after the Jared Payne incident. That's not to say that things changed after the Jared Payne incident specifically. Remember? First there was the Jared Payne incident, and then there was like an unusual spate of similar incidents, and then how the player landed became a factor. It wasn't like that before. I don't see why it should have a role.

    If both players have both feet off the ground and eyes on the ball, why isn't it fair game?
    It wasn't revised after the Jared Payne incident. I was at a referees meeting very soon after the JP incident where it was discussed in depth and been at everyone since and there was no revision in relation to it. Similar incidents were maybe noticed more but nothing changed in terms of rules/laws of the game. How player lands does play a role and should play a role. If you pick a player up and they fall on their head its a very different tackle to the player falling on their back.
    If one player is above the other in the air especially if they've made a big leap into the air to catch the ball it certainly isn't fair game due to risk of injury, more chances of dangerous hit etc


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    #159
    Hagz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    It wasn't revised after the Jared Payne incident. I was at a referees meeting very soon after the JP incident where it was discussed in depth and been at everyone since and there was no revision in relation to it. Similar incidents were maybe noticed more but nothing changed in terms of rules/laws of the game.

    Well I'm sorry Lost Sheep, but things simply did change. Maybe not in law, but certainly in action. Now the punishment is determined by where the player lands, this wasn't the case before the JP incident.
    How player lands does play a role and should play a role. If you pick a player up and they fall on their head its a very different tackle to the player falling on their back.
    They are of course different in their outcomes, but that doesn't mean the tackler did anything more or less dangerous. If I collide with you in the air and you land on your feet like a cat, the punishment should still be applied as if you landed on your neck. The punishment should not be dictated by the outcome, it should be dictated by the dangerous act.
    If one player is above the other in the air especially if they've made a big leap into the air to catch the ball it certainly isn't fair game due to risk of injury, more chances of dangerous hit etc

    Of course if a player ends up jumping higher he is more vulnerable in the collision, but what are you saying? If two players leap in the air to compete for a ball and collide, the one who didn't get as much air is to blame?


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    #160
    sbtrkter90
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    Leinster schools really performed poorly during the interpros which is odd as they were excellent in the warmups and against the youths. Be interested to see what happens with that group of players.


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    #161
    rughug
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭rughug


    sbtrkter90 wrote: »
    Leinster schools really performed poorly during the interpros which is odd as they were excellent in the warmups and against the youths. Be interested to see what happens with that group of players.

    Any more results from todays league games


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    #162
    rughug
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭rughug


    sbtrkter90 wrote: »
    Leinster schools really performed poorly during the interpros which is odd as they were excellent in the warmups and against the youths. Be interested to see what happens with that group of players.

    Any more results from todays league games


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    #163
    rughug
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭rughug


    sbtrkter90 wrote: »
    Leinster schools really performed poorly during the interpros which is odd as they were excellent in the warmups and against the youths. Be interested to see what happens with that group of players.

    Any more results from todays league games


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    #164
    stellenbosch
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    stellenbosch wrote: »
    Was at CBC/Kilkenny game-CBC won 18-6 with a very weakened side due to injury --3 tries and a PK to 2 PKs

    Gonzaga 28-CUS 7

    KH 21-St Andrews 28


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    #165
    The Lost Sheep
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    Hagz wrote: »
    Well I'm sorry Lost Sheep, but things simply did change. Maybe not in law, but certainly in action. Now the punishment is determined by where the player lands, this wasn't the case before the JP incident.

    They are of course different in their outcomes, but that doesn't mean the tackler did anything more or less dangerous. If I collide with you in the air and you land on your feet like a cat, the punishment should still be applied as if you landed on your neck. The punishment should not be dictated by the outcome, it should be dictated by the dangerous act.

    Of course if a player ends up jumping higher he is more vulnerable in the collision, but what are you saying? If two players leap in the air to compete for a ball and collide, the one who didn't get as much air is to blame?
    Nothing did change. We've covered it in referee meetings and its been discussed here enough. Nothing did actually change.


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    #166
    rughug
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭rughug


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Nothing did change. We've covered it in referee meetings and its been discussed here enough. Nothing did actually change.

    Any results from todays league games out there.


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    #167
    rughug
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭rughug


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Nothing did change. We've covered it in referee meetings and its been discussed here enough. Nothing did actually change.

    Any results from todays league games out there.


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    #168
    OceanSixteen
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    Michaels, rock and Belvo all won on weekend vs CBC Cork, Royal School of Armagh and Clongowes


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    #169
    euro20162
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    Rock favourites for JCT again, Terenure looking stronger than recently too. Michael's look decent, probably similar level of team than last year.


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    #170
    aspin
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    euro20162 wrote: »
    Rock favourites for JCT again, Terenure looking stronger than recently too. Michael's look decent, probably similar level of team than last year.

    Gonzaga have a strong group this year too


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    #171
    FrannoFan
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    Gonzaga and kings hospital are meant to be good this year.


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    #172
    hdq91
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    Zaga lost to Michaels earlier in the year. 10-0.
    Rock beat Michaels. 17-0.
    Michaels beat Clongowes yesterday. 22-5.


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    #173
    Rugby_Man5
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    Any senior results today?


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    #174
    OceanSixteen
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    Basically full Michaels beat Clongowes 22-14
    Marys beat a poor Belvo missing 7 players 6-3


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    #175
    The Lost Sheep
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    Clongowes Tournament this weekend. Anyone going?

    20 teams competing
    Clongowes, Belvedere, Blackrock, Castleknock, Roscrea, Gonzaga, Newbridge, Marys, Michaels, Terenure
    Rockwell, PBC Cork, CBC Cork, Crescent Comp
    Methody Belfast, Campbell Belfast, Belfast Royal Academy, RBAI
    Ivybridge Community College
    Coleg y Cymoedd College


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    #176
    FR2
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Clongowes Tournament this weekend. Anyone going?

    20 teams competing
    Clongowes, Belvedere, Blackrock, Castleknock, Roscrea, Gonzaga, Newbridge, Marys, Michaels, Terenure
    Rockwell, PBC Cork, CBC Cork, Crescent Comp
    Methody Belfast, Campbell Belfast, Belfast Royal Academy, RBAI
    Ivybridge Community College
    Coleg y Cymoedd College

    That's a fairly impressive line up! How is it split?


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    #177
    The Lost Sheep
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    FR2 wrote: »
    That's a fairly impressive line up! How is it split?
    No idea Michaels tweeted their fixtures and they play Rockwell, Methody, Roscrea and Gonzaga on day 1 so i'll assume 4 groups of 5 and then playoffs/knock out stage?


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    #178
    The Lost Sheep
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    Games started In Clongowes tournament. First round of games almost all played
    Campbell 7 Newbridge 5
    Blackrock 5 PBC 5
    RBAI 3 Cymeodd 7
    Belvedere 0 CBC 10
    Wallace 8 Ivybridge 17
    St Michaels 7 Rockwell 0
    Methody 8 Roscrea 0


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    #179
    rughug
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭rughug


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Games started In Clongowes tournament. First round of games almost all played
    Campbell 7 Newbridge 5
    Blackrock 5 PBC 5
    RBAI 3 Cymeodd 7
    Belvedere 0 CBC 10
    Wallace 8 Ivybridge 17
    St Michaels 7 Rockwell 0
    Methody 8 Roscrea 0

    Any further update after the first round of games Lost Sheep.


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    #180
    requiems0
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    Michaels undefeated so far:
    G1: vs rockwell, 7-0.
    G2: vs methody, 10-3.
    G3: vs roscrea, 19-10.


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    #181
    fox_1973
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    http://www.clongowes.eu/live-rugby-feed/ results and tables for all games


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