Azwaldo55 wrote: » It is becoming more and more obvious as time goes on that the conflict is complete intractable - based on religion, politics, land and ethnicity but primarily upon religion. The one state solution (Arab, Jews, Christians, Samaritans, Druze, Muslims etc sharing the region) is a non runner. The Muslims would simply start persecuting and slaughtering Jews, Christians, Samaritans and Druze when they gained political power and did away with democracy and established Sharia Law. The two state solution is also a non-runner. Were the Israelis to withdraw to the 1967 borders there is no question that the West Bank would become a launch site for rockets and missiles and daily life would become impossible. Arab nations would join in and Israel would be destroyed. So only two solutions remain - 1) remove all the Jews and give them territory in another part of the world where they can start again or 2) Arab Muslims should be taken in by neighboring nations and Israel can build a defensive line on the natural barrier of the Jordan Valley. In the case of solution 1) Israel obviously has nuclear weapons and one of the most sophisticated and effective armies in the entire world with the support of the United States so obviously it is a non-runner. The only other option available therefore is for Palestinian Arab Muslims who hate Israel to be removed from the West Bank and Gaza. They obviously hate Israel, they hate Jews and the hate living there so why not remove them and let them live in Muslim states far away from Jews? Naturally this would involve considerable bloodshed but the alternative is an endless war between Israel and Palestine. The fanatical and idiotic fanaticism of the Palestinians is the root cause of the conflict. There blind refusal to accept the existence of the State of Israel and there absurd genocidal dream of killing all the Jews has led to this impasse. I cannot think of any other practical outcome except to give all of the territory between the sea and the Jordan to Israel and let the Palestinian Arab Muslims set up home elsewhere.
dj jarvis wrote: » it was so much of a fiasco , that years after it ended , people STILL talk laugh about it - reminding people about the 99%.http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/12/occupy-wall-street-activists-15m-personal-debt So Aussie , how many indebted people have you freed from financial slavery today ? let me guess how many :rolleyes:
dj jarvis wrote: » Fiasco ? Fiasco , only fiasco going on here is the true nut cases trying to justify Israel bombing 40+ kids in 6 days NO JUSTIFICATION - Animals !!! and if it was the other way around , i would be backing Israel , Killing women and children is wrong , no matter who or why its been done
Azwaldo55 wrote: » Israel has nukes and the support of the U.S. So the Jews aren't going anywhere. End of. The Palestinians don't want peace and they insist on attacking Israel and getting their backsides kicked. Best thing for the Palestinian Arab Muslims who don't want to live next to Jews is to let them live in a region that is Jew free. If Israel had no nukes and no American support the obvious solution would be remove the Jews to Arizona or Canada or Australia or someplace where they can start again and build a new Temple but since they have lots of guns and nukes that is not going to happen.
Azwaldo55 wrote: » Ok then how about Hamas stop the rockets and stop giving Israel an excuse to shut down the discussion about settlements, water, territory, the Temple Mount, Jerusalem, borders and all the other issues? Hamas screams Allahu Akbar and Death to Jews and gets its ass kicked again and again and again. If Israelis are convinced Hamas and the Palestinians want no peace except the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of the Jews then what incentive is there for Israel to stop settlements? Stop attacking Israel and stop the Jew hatred and other possibilities can open up. The blank cheque given to Israel by their excusers in Europe and America and worldwide has to stop.
Azwaldo55 wrote: » So you support terrorism and mass murder of Jews then? I get it.
end of the road wrote: » wrong
Azwaldo55 wrote: » Israel has nukes and American support. Water is wet too. So the Palestinians have three options - accept the state of Israel and accept the two state solution provided they live in peace or hunker down and live in poverty and squalor while they get their asses handed to them again and again and again or else just get out if they hate Jews so much and go live somewhere else.
Azwaldo55 wrote: » Wrong how? ISIS and Hamas are both Islamic extremists, ISIS and Hamas both want to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews worldwide, ISIS and Hamas want to establish an austere Islamic Caliphate and they want to behead infidels, stone adulterers, amputate the limbs of thieves and destroy modern civilization. You are in complete denial of the facts which stare you in the face.
end of the road wrote: » they were there before israel existed, so they aren't going anywhere
Azwaldo55 wrote: » The Arabs arrived in the region in the 7th century when Muhammad stormed out of the Arab peninsula with his army and burned, raped, enslaved, pillaged and beheaded their way through the crumbling Byzantine and Persian empires slaughtering Jew, Christian, Zoroastrian and Manichean alike. The Jews have lived in Israel for thousands of years. You really have to hit the history books.
The Aussie wrote: » Going off topic but... I did not take out stupid loans, why should I dig out a gambler? Their risk, their loss (and I don't care about Bond Holders :rolleyes:, the Government I voted for claimed they were going to "Burn" them, I will get the chance to repay that lie.)And their is NO JUSTIFICATION for hoping for Israeli deaths either and saying any Human Being is "fair game" or hoping a Rocket would land in the middle of a crowd... Only a fairly low nut case type of Animal would wish for any of those things to happen.
srsly78 wrote: » So wrong... Arabs are defined by language and culture, not by genetics. As the other poster pointed out, all the middle eastern people are genetically similar.
thebannerboy wrote: » Ah but the Jews were there before them!!
darkpagandeath wrote: » Pointless argument as there will have been people there before them and before them and before them. So on so forth
urabell wrote: » https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsgh_etCUAANfQG.jpg
dj jarvis wrote: » yea yea , two can play at this game the figures on my link are truly shockinghttp://euromid.org/uploads/2014/infographic/Day_6_en.jpg
Rightwing wrote: » At the end of the day, no one gives a sh!t about these arabs. That's the unfortunate reality. Law of the Jungle out there.
urabell wrote: » Sorry more Israeli's aren't dying to court public opinion, the IDF is effectively protecting it's civilian population and doing so shouldn't be a slight on Israel.
thebannerboy wrote: » Judaism is far older than Islam. Whoever was there first had the right to it. That was the Land of Israel. King Cyrus even mentioned it when he liberated the Jews in 530bc from the Babylonian's. Israel changed hands throughout the centuries so had no fixed owner then. Now the Jews want back what was once theres.
thebannerboy wrote: » England took over Ireland for 800 years. Do people not think we should be English since they owned Ireland for 800 years. Or should it belong to the Irish who once owned it but lost it by force. Its the very same thing.
end of the road wrote: » stop making up things, nobody believes you
Red Nissan wrote: » The Israelis are the fifth crusade, maybe sixth, we need to support them or we will be fighting in the streets and being bombed ourselves in another 20 ~ 30 years.
