Israel bombs 160 sites in Gaza overnight. Mod Warnings in First Post.

bumper234

QuantumP wrote: »

Israel have murdered at least 3 more children today. Accidental, deliberate, at the end of the day it doesn't matter. Either way it must stop.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-strike-kills-three-children-same-gaza-family-374678008

But Israel will say they were just collaterall damage, i wonder if America will accept the deaths of 23 of its citizens on the plane in Ukraine as just collateral damage?

Frank Bullitt

This plane crash will take the emphasis off this, so I would expect it to escalate even more now.

Meglamonia

Israel have begun a ground offensive on Gaza-Sky.

OneEightSeven

Gintonious wrote: »

This plane crash will take the emphasis off this, so I would expect it to escalate even more now.

Sky News are reporting about Gaza now.

Meglamonia

Sky showing love coverage of missiles hitting Gaza

Nodin

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Pretty much yeah. I highly doubt whether they purposely went out to kill children. they probably had intelligence that Hamas were up to something in that area and the intelligence was wrong. Occams razor would suggest incompetence to be the more obvious explanation.

Incompetence, brutality, indifference, racist hate......

QuantumP

bumper234 wrote: »

But Israel will say they were just collaterall damage, i wonder if America will accept the deaths of 23 of its citizens on the plane in Ukraine as just collateral damage?

Apologies, I didn't realise it could be used in a legal sense. My point was that either way its inexcusable.

bumper234

Ground offensive started, be prepared for more dead Palestinian kids.

Nodin

Meglamonia wrote: »

Israel have begun a ground offensive on Gaza-Sky.

Now theres the risk of even worse slaughter.

Considering there were talks of a ceasefire this morning, is this just ultra-cynicism from the Israeli's with the world's focus elsewhere?

tayto lover

Plenty more kids to be murdered it seems.

RiteofPassage

Ground offensive in Gaza begins....

Picked a good news day to launch.

BlaasForRafa

Nodin wrote: »

Incompetence, brutality, indifference, racist hate......

That's just your bias speaking.

Using actual logic rather than biased emotions would point to incompetence.

seanaway

Some intelligent comments at last .



Former US president Bill Clinton has warned Israel about "isolating itself from world opinion" due to repeated conflicts in Gaza.

"Over the long run it is not good for Israel to keep isolating itself from world opinion because of the absence of a viable peace process," Mr Clinton told the Indian NDTV news channel yesterday.

"In the short to medium term, Hamas can inflict terrible public relations damage on Israel by forcing it to kill Palestinian civilians to counter Hamas," he added.

Hamas had a "strategy designed to force Israel to kill their own (Palestinian) civilians so the rest of the world will condemn them," while Israel could not "look like fools" by not responding to the heavy missile attacks.

jonnny68

It's quite astonishing amount of people who belive the drivel the mainstream media churns out all pretty much pro Israeli , propaganda lies and bull****, this cancer of a nation has to be stopped.

bumper234

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

That's just your bias speaking.

Using actual logic rather than biased emotions would point to incompetence.

So how many children have to die due to incompetence? Are the IDF not some of the best trained soldiers in the world? Do you think with the ground offensive now under way there will be more accidents and acts of incompetence and we will see the bodies of more young children splashed all over the tv?

comongethappy

jonnny68 wrote: »

this cancer of a nation has to be stopped.

What would you do with them?

RiteofPassage

jonnny68 wrote: »

It's quite astonishing amount of people who belive the drivel the mainstream media churns out all pretty much pro Israeli , propaganda lies and bull****, this cancer of a nation has to be stopped.

People believe anything they are told.

Sure Reuters himself was Jewish. Can't blame them though. Their religion teaches them that everything will be good in the world when the Jews control Israel and Jerusalem.

They are simply brainwashed by their religion to do these terrible things.

seanaway

For those who know their history - as opposed to those who think they know the world - read the words of a wise woman.
"We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."

RiteofPassage

seanaway wrote: »

We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children.

Any woman who allows herself to be forced to kill children is not someone I'd have any time for

Nodin

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

That's just your bias speaking.

Using actual logic rather than biased emotions would point to incompetence.

No, I'm afraid its very much based on context
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91316542&postcount=320

Nodin

seanaway wrote: »

For those who know their history - as opposed to those who think they know the world - read the words of a wise woman.
"We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."

A rather lovely unspecfic sentiment that might appeal to those clueless about the conflict and/or hostile to "Arabs", but one that has little clout with those that are familiar with the last 40 years of Israeli occupation and colonisation.

BlaasForRafa

RiteofPassage wrote: »

Any woman who allows herself to be forced to kill children is not someone I'd have any time for

Jesus wept, she didn't mean children in the literal sense. Go read up on Golda Meir and then come back when you know some actual facts.

seanaway

RiteofPassage wrote: »

Any woman who allows herself to be forced to kill children is not someone I'd have any time for

Think you have fallen into the old 'misquote' trap.

Read in full to understand what was meant. Then read what Bill Clinton said today.

Hamas are treating Palestinians - women and children included - as fodder to fuel their own warped Islamic fundametalist aims.

They care nothing for their 'own'.

If people can't see through this they are making the same mistake the democracies of the 1930's made with Hitler and Stalin.

RiteofPassage

seanaway wrote: »

Think you have fallen into the old 'misquote' trap.

Read in full to understand what was meant. Then read what Bill Clinton said today.

Hamas are treating Palestinians - women and children included - as fodder to fuel their own warped Islamic fundametalist aims.

They care nothing for their 'own'.

If people can't see through this they are making the same mistake the democracies of the 1930's made with Hitler and Stalin.

I fully agree that Hamas are crazy and that they are doing this.
However for Israel it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
As a Western democracy, supposedly based on reason, Israel should not act in this way.

The problem is that as much as Israel's try to portray themselves as civilized, logical, intelligent, prosperous and fair (which is largely true)- their world view is still warped by religion, and a book that was finished 2314 years ago. Israel is a theocracy, not a democracy. And an extremely dogmatic theocracy at this.

What other western country's name comes from a religious text?

They are just as crazy as the arabs in this respect. But infinitely more intelligent in other ways.

Nodin

RiteofPassage wrote: »

I fully agree that Hamas are crazy and that they are doing this.
However for Israel it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
As a Western democracy, supposedly based on reason, Israel should not act in this way.

The problem is that as much as Israel's try to portray themselves as civilized, logical, intelligent, prosperous and fair (which is largely true)- their world view is still warped by religion, and a book that was finished 2314 years ago. Israel is a theocracy, not a democracy. And an extremely dogmatic theocracy at this.

What other western country's name comes from a religious text?

They are just as crazy as the arabs in this respect. But infinitely more intelligent in other ways.

Israel is not a theocracy.

seanaway

RiteofPassage wrote: »

The problem is that as much as Israel's try to portray themselves as civilized, logical, intelligent, prosperous and fair (which is largely true)- their world view is still warped by religion, and a book that was finished 2314 years ago. Israel is a theocracy, not a democracy. And an extremely dogmatic theocracy at this.

What other western country's name comes from a religious text?

They are just as crazy as the arabs in this respect. But infinitely more intelligent in other ways.

Crazy? Possibly. However, the Jewish state does not have the destruction of any Arab/Islamic or other nation a stated aim of its constitution.

Another quote:
"A leader who doesn't hesitate before he sends his nation into battle is not fit to be a leader"

Can this be said of any Hamas/PLO/ISIS/Al Queida etc... 'leader' ?


Don't think so.

RiteofPassage

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Jesus wept, she didn't mean children in the literal sense. Go read up on Golda Meir and then come back when you know some actual facts.

She was born in Ukraine, moved to America due to discrimination.

Then had a successful and prosperous life in America.

She had absolutely no connection with the land of Palestine by birth, or early life.

Why did she need to move to Israel and be forced into armed conflict with the indigenous inhabitants?

She was responsible for many deaths due to this decision.

Nodin

seanaway wrote: »

Crazy? Possibly. However, the Jewish state does not have the destruction of any Arab/Islamic or other nation a stated aim of its constitution.

Another quote:
"A leader who doesn't hesitate before he sends his nation into battle is not fit to be a leader"

Can this be said of any Hamas/PLO/ISIS/Al Queida etc... 'leader' ?


Don't think so.

Why are you putting all those groups together?

You realise the PLO has effectively been on ceasefire for years now?

RiteofPassage

seanaway wrote: »

Crazy? Possibly. However, the Jewish state does not have the destruction of any Arab/Islamic or other nation a stated aim of its constitution.

Another quote:
"A leader who doesn't hesitate before he sends his nation into battle is not fit to be a leader"

Can this be said of any Hamas/PLO/ISIS/Al Queida etc... 'leader' ?


Don't think so.

I think Israel should stop using Arabic states as a benchmark.

Try Denmark, New Zealand, ect ect.

The Jews could of set up a nation anywhere, and be successful. The reason they chose the middle of a hornets nest is simply religious. (and foolish)