SSM Referendum Spring 2015

Delirium

RobertKK wrote: »

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-10/boy-with-henna-tattoo-network-exposed/5310812

Very detailed report .

The police said:
"Detective Sergeant Ian Wells says Truong and Newton were master manipulators, using gay marriage as a cover."

Yet I was called insane for saying paedophiles will use gay marriage as a cover.

They faked being married, it doesn't say they actually got married. It doesn't say they were heterosexual.

The lead detective said this could also happened with a male/female couple. In addition to that, I notice that the police didn't dismiss the reports of abuse just because the abusers happened to be two men posing as a married couple.

Nothing in this story suggests that same-sex marriage should be banned anymore than heterosexual marriage should be banned.

So yeah, it still is insane to use child molesters as an excuse to bar LGBT from marrying.

Fat Christy

I'll be voting yes. I think everyone should have the right to be miserable with someone else, not just heterosexuals. :pac:

Gay marriage has no negative effect on me so why would I not vote yes?

Nodin

RobertKK wrote: »

Pretty weak argument there.
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It's a question, not an argument.

RobertKK wrote: »

I am voting for what I believe just as you will.
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Being dishonest there Robert. I'm not going to vote to force you to do anything. You, however, are going to vote to force your ways on others. What gives you the self righteousness to do that?

Kiwi in IE

denhaagenite wrote: »

I voted in the poll even though I can't vote in Ireland. Do you all forgive me?

Yeah I did too. Can vote in everything but referendums. There is not really any practical need for me to become an Irish citizen as I am a British citizen, but am entitled to do so as am married to an Irish citizen. I'm considering applying for citizenship for this reason alone. The constitution is so archaic and crap that it is almost essential to be able to vote in referendums when permanently residing here!

floggg

RobertKK wrote: »

If you really think they are scurrilous and nasty. I will post detailed cases of same sex marriage advocates and those who wanted SSM and where convictions have occurred.

We can also find links to straight adoptive parents who have abused kids, straight biological parents who've abused kids etc.

In each case I would imagine the incidences are far too low to justify the relevant group from adopting.

Since same sex adoption and marriage has been legal in numerous jurisdictions for many years now without any widespread incidences of your suspected abuse then it would appear that the risk is equally low for gay couples.

Moreover given the high instances of priests abusing children, for logical consistency you should also argue for a legal ban on children being brought to church or being on the presence of priests (in sure the risk is at least comparable, though I would suspect higher).

Indeed given your distrust of men you would also argue for a legal ban on male teachers and sports coaches.

Unsurprisingly, you haven't argued for any of the above. This is very much another instance where your apparent "principled objection" is only actually used to justify discrimination against gay men.

It's hard to conclude that result is the important thing, and the flimsy arguments have evidently been concocted to try and veil the arbitrary discrimination you espouse.

Amirani

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Yeah I did too. Can vote in everything but referendums. There is not really any practical need for me to become an Irish citizen as I am a British citizen, but am entitled to do so as am married to an Irish citizen. I'm considering applying for citizenship for this reason alone. The constitution is so archaic and crap that it is almost essential to be able to vote in referendums when permanently residing here!

No presidential elections for you either unfortunately. We're keeping the outsiders well clear of our sacred and enlightened constitution. :pac:

RobertKK

Nodin wrote: »

It's a question, not an argument.




Being dishonest there Robert. I'm not going to vote to force you to do anything. You, however, are going to vote to force your ways on others. What gives you the self righteousness to do that?

I am voting with my conscience and it doesn't support same sex marriage or any civil marriage...

J_E

Nodin wrote: »

Hi, Robert. Don't forget
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91102827&postcount=801

Don't hold your breath...

Fat Christy

RobertKK wrote: »

I am voting with my conscience and it doesn't support civil marriage...

Jaysus, I thought civil marriages were the way to go. Do you only support the rude marriages is it?

Infini

Hmm Gay marrige eh..... dunno -.-

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Futurama_Fry_Looking_Squint2_307.jpg

Lesbian Marrige eh..... he...hehe....heheheh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPyLlN6iW1w

:P

Delirium

RobertKK wrote: »

I am voting with my conscience and it doesn't support same sex marriage or any civil marriage...

so no-one should be allowed marry?

RobertKK

Fat Christy wrote: »

Jaysus, I thought civil marriages were the way to go. Do you only support the rude marriages is it?

I love Ireland but I don't hold the Irish state in high regard and that includes its institutions which includes marriage.
The less state we have the better.

Bubbaclaus

RobertKK wrote: »

I am voting with my conscience and it doesn't support same sex marriage or any civil marriage...

Why do you wish to force your beliefs on others?

Would you like it if somebody tried to force their beliefs on you? What if I told you you weren't allowed go to mass anymore, purely because I don't believe in it?

That would be pretty silly, wouldn't it?

Kiwi in IE

RobertKK wrote: »

I am voting with my conscience and it doesn't support same sex marriage or any civil marriage...

Every marriage is a civil marriage. We have had this discussion before, but just to remind you that a church marriage alone has no more legal standing than two small children having a make believe marriage ceremony, unless civil registration is completed!

Fat Christy

RobertKK wrote: »

I love Ireland but I don't hold the Irish state in high regard and that includes its institutions which includes marriage.
The less state we have the better.

Huh?

Sarky

RobertKK wrote: »

I am voting with my conscience and it doesn't support same sex marriage or any civil marriage...

No offence intended, but have you considered getting a less horrible conscience? One with a little less irrational intolerance maybe?

shruikan2553

RobertKK wrote: »

I love Ireland but I don't hold the Irish state in high regard and that includes its institutions which includes marriage.
The less state we have the better.

What should we do to make child custody, inheritance, tax and visas easier instead?

J_E

RobertKK wrote: »

I love Ireland but I don't hold the Irish state in high regard and that includes its institutions which includes marriage.
The less state we have the better.

That is so illogical. So if you want to marry you have to do it under God do you? What if you don't happen to be religious, feck off is it? Then we decide that marriage has no legal benefits attached to it - what happens with next of kin, shared assets, etc? Custody rights? The mess of being able to divorce without having to sort any division of assets because there is no legal baggage attached to marriage? Just absurd..

RobertKK

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Why do you wish to force your beliefs on others?

Would you like it if somebody tried to force their beliefs on you? What if I told you you weren't allowed go to mass anymore, purely because I don't believe in it?

That would be pretty silly, wouldn't it?

That is not a good analogy. It is like you and others voting for a certain party that has policies I disagree with, they gain power and implement policies I disagree with.
Tough it is democracy and I either support the right of others to vote in a way that affects me or doesn't affect me.

J_E

RobertKK wrote: »

That is not a good analogy. It is like you and others voting for a certain party that has policies I disagree with, they gain power and implement policies I disagree with.
Tough it is democracy and I either support the right of others to vote in a way that affects me or doesn't affect me.

What kind of analogy is that? These are people's lives you're talking about here, a bit bigger than FF/FG's one upping over each other.

Bubbaclaus

RobertKK wrote: »

That is not a good analogy. It is like you and others voting for a certain party that has policies I disagree with, they gain power and implement policies I disagree with.
Tough it is democracy and I either support the right of others to vote in a way that affects me or doesn't affect me.

Was this post supposed to make sense?

Voting for or against equal rights for the citizens of Ireland is clearly not the same as voting for 2 different political parties. Don't be ****ing ludicrous.

Micky Dolenz

Mod

We understand it is an emotive subject and realize that some people minds will never be changed. Think about that before responding to people. People will not be infracted for having an opinion that remains within the rules but they will be carded/banned for baiting/abuse and other such posts.

Be aware of how and who you respond to.

PopePalpatine

Stinicker wrote: »

I am voting no because I believe Marriage is for heterosexual couples only. Left-wing liberal beliefs like this are not good for Ireland, like I can never understand why a man would want to marry another man.

Let's edit that a bit:

Billy Bob Stinicker, A Long Time Ago In Dumbf*ckistan wrote: »

I am voting no because I believe Marriage is for same-race couples only. Left-wing liberal beliefs like this are not good for 'Murrica, like I can never understand why a member of our proud white race would want to marry a negro.

I'm not shy to say I'm voting No and while it's fine for people have the privacy of their bedroom and private lives I just wish they'd stop pontificating about it to the rest of society and whining about being oppressed. Go to Saudi Arabia or much of the Middle East, Africa etc. and then you'll know what true oppression is.

It must be nice never actually knowing any oppression, as a (I'd assume) conservative-minded Christian in Ireland.

Micky Dolenz

Sarky wrote: »

No offence intended, but have you considered getting a less horrible conscience? One with a little less irrational intolerance maybe?

Mod

Play the ball.

You may not agree with someone else's opinion, and they may not agree with yours.

General point to all. RobertKK may have an opinion in the minority but he is entitled to express it as long as it remains within the rules.

No more swipes please.Some people on both sides will never have their minds changed. Accept that and move on.

Bubbaclaus

Taking out the undecideds, it appears that over 90% of After Hours will be voting Yes in the Referendum. If that applies to the rest of the population it will be a great and proud day for Ireland when the Referendum takes place.

The only downside is that it's 2014 and the citizens of Ireland still do not currently have equal rights. At least we are moving in the right direction.

J_E

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Taking out the undecideds, it appears that over 90% of After Hours will be voting Yes in the Referendum. If that applies to the rest of the population it will be a great and proud day for Ireland when the Referendum takes place.

The only downside is that it's 2014 and the citizens of Ireland still do not currently have equal rights. At least we are moving in the right direction.

You're assuming everyone in Ireland will head out to vote on this - I really don't think the result will be a clear cut win, and people are going to have to fight for it if they feel strongly about it.

Annasopra

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Taking out the undecideds, it appears that over 90% of After Hours will be voting Yes in the Referendum. If that applies to the rest of the population it will be a great and proud day for Ireland when the Referendum takes place.

The only downside is that it's 2014 and the citizens of Ireland still do not currently have equal rights. At least we are moving in the right direction.

It would be interesting comparing all after hours polls that have been done on this subject

Bubbaclaus

As time goes by the Yes vote will only be getting larger and larger, as the more tolerant and educated younger generations will be reaching voting age, while an older generational group of people 'stuck in their ways' will be dying off.

If I was gunning for a No vote, I'd be hoping the Referendum was coming as soon as possible.

c_man

When they say Spring... when does Spring start for them? Do you go with February (the old Irish way) or March? I have a friend who's quite militant about it.

Nodin

RobertKK wrote: »

I am voting with my conscience and it doesn't support same sex marriage or any civil marriage...

Again not being entirely honest Robert. You don't support allowing others to marry somebody of the same gender. You are inflicting your views and lifestyle on those who want no part of it.