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Lake1989 · 13-12-2016 7:48pm

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Yeah, any club that suggests sacking a player for that gesture needs to spend some serious time in the real world

I reckon they are probably making the right noises ahead of the hearing in an effort to get as minimal a ban as possible.

.ak · 13-12-2016 8:21pm

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Yeah, any club that suggests sacking a player for that gesture needs to spend some serious time in the real world

He represents the club/company, if they didn't want him on their books it would be an easy out for them.

Felix Jones is God · 13-12-2016 8:23pm

.ak wrote: »

He represents the club/company, if they didn't want him on their books it would be an easy out for them.

Well, I'd say no, it would be victimisation and any solicitor worth his salt could crucify them .

Besides....ask the referee under oath if he masturbates.... He says no, he's done for perjury...he says yes...player is proven correct .

thomond2006 · 13-12-2016 8:24pm

Dismissal?! For that?! Look he shouldn't have done it but talk of dismissal is crazy.

13-12-2016 9:20pm

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Well, I'd say no, it would be victimisation and any solicitor worth his salt could crucify them .

Besides....ask the referee under oath if he masturbates.... He says no, he's done for perjury...he says yes...player is proven correct .

That's not how this works at all. At all.

I guarantee he has a clause in his contract not to bring the club into disrepute. This would fall under that. I've seen people let go from jobs for less.

thomond2006 wrote: »

Dismissal?! For that?! Look he shouldn't have done it but talk of dismissal is crazy.

Well the head coach said it in response to what they were going to do. No one here is suggesting that is a course of action, but the club are clearly either very peeved or they want rid of him.

thomond2006 · 13-12-2016 9:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Well the head coach said it in response to what they were going to do. No one here is suggesting that is a course of action, but the club are clearly either very peeved or they want rid of him.

He's a talented young player right? Unless there's something else going on I don't see why they would get rid.

CatFromHue · 13-12-2016 9:37pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Dismissal?! For that?! Look he shouldn't have done it but talk of dismissal is crazy.

It is but it's a PR move to show that the club is taking this seriously. I would be very very very very surprised if he was dismissed.

Compare it to what the head of the RFU said about Hartley

“I think Dylan’s got credit in the bank,” Ritchie told BBC Sport.

“I think most people would say it’s been a fantastic year. We’ve had 13 wins out of 13 and Dylan has made a huge contribution and he should be allowed to continue that.

“Obviously it’s disappointing when he gets sent off but we’ll wait and see what happens.

“You view all these things in perspective and in perspective one looks at the totality of what he’s done and what’s happened over the years and I think we should be supportive of that. Ultimately we’ll see what happens – I’m not going to talk about the disciplinary process as you know.

Which looks better?

Felix Jones is God · 13-12-2016 9:52pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's not how this works at all. At all.

I guarantee he has a clause in his contract not to bring the club into disrepute. This would fall under that. I've seen people let go from jobs for less.

Well the head coach said it in response to what they were going to do. No one here is suggesting that is a course of action, but the club are clearly either very peeved or they want rid of him.

Oh you guarantee it! Ah that's grand so, lads Venjur guaranteed it ...problem solved

I would hazard a guess and say the club are neither peeved, not have any plan to get rid of the player

irishbucsfan · 13-12-2016 9:54pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's not how this works at all. At all.

I guarantee he has a clause in his contract not to bring the club into disrepute. This would fall under that. I've seen people let go from jobs for less.

Thats exactly what Pivac said. Right at the same time he said it's not what they were doing with James Davies. Click bait article and people fell for it hook, line and sinker

Bazzo · 13-12-2016 10:00pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

It is but it's a PR move to show that the club is taking this seriously. I would be very very very very surprised if he was dismissed.

Compare it to what the head of the RFU said about Hartley

Which looks better?

Hartley has credit in the bank? Which bank is this, Anglo Irish?

Stheno · 13-12-2016 10:04pm

Bazzo wrote: »

Hartley has credit in the bank? Which bank is this, Anglo Irish?

Yes

He's been a good boy for 15 months

13-12-2016 10:10pm

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Oh you guarantee it! Ah that's grand so, lads Venjur guaranteed it ...problem solved

I would hazard a guess and say the club are neither peeved, not have any plan to get rid of the player

I never said the club would or should let him go. I pointed out that they said it was an option.

And yes I do guarantee that the player has a section in his contract that deals with termination and disrepute is in that. It would be unheard of for an employment contract not to have that. I do this for a living so I'm not talking through my hoop.

But hey, you cleary know what you are talking about when it comes to the law.

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Besides....ask the referee under oath if he masturbates.... He says no, he's done for perjury...he says yes...player is proven correct .

irishbucsfan · 13-12-2016 10:16pm

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Oh you guarantee it! Ah that's grand so, lads Venjur guaranteed it ...problem solved

Ah lads if you're going to complain about an article at least read it first:

Asked about the potential harness of a dismissal, Pivac replied: "I’m not saying that’s what we are doing. I’m saying that is a course of action and the players are well aware of that in their contracts.

"This sort of thing is deemed as being very, very serious and that’s the way we are looking at it."

13-12-2016 10:19pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Thats exactly what Pivac said. Right at the same time he said it's not what they were doing with James Davies. Click bait article and people fell for it hook, line and sinker

When is it not a click bait article these days. There's no way he gets fired, but it's a strong statement to make all the same.

As has been pointed out, polar opposite rhetoric to Ian Ritchie who I'm pretty disgusted with tbh.

Podge_irl · 14-12-2016 9:36am

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As has been pointed out, polar opposite rhetoric to Ian Ritchie who I'm pretty disgusted with tbh.

They're absolutely pathetic.

laugh · 14-12-2016 12:15pm

What's the most amount of time a player has spent suspended without being banned from Rugby?

Bazzo · 14-12-2016 12:20pm

laugh wrote: »

What's the most amount of time a player has spent suspended without being banned from Rugby?

That time Fez was gouged twice in the same match one of them got banned for 70 odd weeks, highest I can think of off the top of my head but I'm sure there have been some long ones for drugs.

irishbucsfan · 14-12-2016 12:22pm

Bazzo wrote: »

That time Fez was gouged twice in the same match one of them got banned for 70 odd weeks, highest I can think of off the top of my head but I'm sure there have been some long ones for drugs.

Chilliboy Ralepelle was banned for two years for steroid usage I believe.

Maybe Clohessy is up there!

ScrubsfanChris · 14-12-2016 12:27pm

Matt Stevens got 24 months, testing positive for cocaine.

Edit: Wendell Sailor was banned for the same time, again for cocaine, never knew that!

http://www.punditarena.com/rugby/rmcelwee/top-ten-rugbys-longest-bans/

^^^^ Great shot of Trevor Brennan.

former total · 14-12-2016 12:52pm

laugh wrote: »

What's the most amount of time a player has spent suspended without being banned from Rugby?

An Argentine club player got 29 years for kicking an opponent in the head. That's a tough one to beat

Stheno · 14-12-2016 1:22pm

former total wrote: »

An Argentine club player got 29 years for kicking an opponent in the head. That's a tough one to beat

That was only this year too

irishbucsfan · 14-12-2016 1:29pm

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/809010352184823808

El_Duderino 09 · 14-12-2016 1:35pm

Rte article says it could be 5-8 weeks. 8 weeks would mean he'd miss the France match.

Id say that's the most likely outcome. It's clear that he cares about England more than Northampton and it would be a fair old headache for him.

One commenter said it should be at least a year suspension which is ridiculous.

8 weeks seems a bit soft so I'd be happy with 12 weeks but I don't think that's possible given the specific charge against him.

Zzippy · 14-12-2016 1:37pm

I'm betting on 6 weeks, let him get a game in for practice before the 6N...

CIARAN_BOYLE · 14-12-2016 1:39pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Rte article says it could be 5-8 weeks. 8 weeks would mean he'd miss the France match.

Id say that's the most likely outcome. It's clear that he cares about England more than Northampton and it would be a fair old headache for him.

One commenter said it should be at least a year suspension which is ridiculous.

8 weeks seems a bit soft so I'd be happy with 12 weeks but I don't think that's possible given the specific charge against him.

ECPR press release

World Rugby Law 10.4 (a) Striking:

'Under World Rugby's Sanctions for Foul Play, Law 10.4 (a), Striking a player with a hand, arm or fist carries the following sanction entry points - Low End: 2 weeks; Mid-Range: 5 weeks; Top End: 8 to 52 weeks.'

12 weeks is technically possible I suppose.

Stheno · 14-12-2016 1:42pm

Does a six week ban mean six calendar weeks or six matches?

irishbucsfan · 14-12-2016 1:46pm

Stheno wrote: »

Does a six week ban mean six calendar weeks or six matches?

6 weeks in which matches are scheduled to be played

sydthebeat · 14-12-2016 2:15pm

im going to suggest he gets 4 weeks.

5 week entry, 50% reduction for suit and tweet, 50% of which laid back on for past behaviour.

Bazzo · 14-12-2016 2:42pm

I'll be surprised if he gets 6-8 weeks tbh, I'd say he'll get 2-4 but hope I'm wrong(not that it matters because bans clearly teach Hartley absolutely nothing).

Lake1989 · 14-12-2016 2:45pm

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/rugby/downright-pathetic-comments-from-clive-woodward-on-dylan-hartley/106228

Clive Woodward thinks Hartley marginally over stepped the mark and he was trying to tackle SOB because his arm was out.

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