General Rugby Discussion

pickarooney

His club should suspend him for a few weeks. Acknowledge that they know what he did and they're not OK with it.

Lake1989

is the grenoble v ospreys refix on tv at 5 does anyone know?

CMOTDibbler

pickarooney wrote: »

His club should suspend him for a few weeks. Acknowledge that they know what he did and they're not OK with it.

Buccaneers are saying that there was nothing in it and Best just "fell off". :rolleyes:

Dog Botherer

Lake1989 wrote: »

is the grenoble v ospreys refix on tv at 5 does anyone know?

Not listed on any of the sites of ill-repute where one might usually expect to view it, so I doubt it.

CMOTDibbler

Lake1989 wrote: »

is the grenoble v ospreys refix on tv at 5 does anyone know?

Not on TV here as far as I know. beIN Sports are covering it, but that's not available here.

No decision on North until next week

http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/38235240

CMOTDibbler

Lake1989 wrote: »

is the grenoble v ospreys refix on tv at 5 does anyone know?

Looks like Ospreys are romping away with this one. 14 points up already. Bonus point before half time at this rate.

Lake1989

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Looks like Ospreys are romping away with this one. 14 points up already. Bonus point before half time at this rate.

its entertaining enough. Grenoble unlucky with one or two half chances. Ospreys playing good open stuff though

Tomtom364

Awful call by the ref earlier for a dangerous tackle AWJ.

Or are all dump tackles against the laws now?

CMOTDibbler

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Awful call by the ref earlier for a dangerous tackle AWJ.

Or are all dump tackles against the laws now?

Depends how you define dump tackle. Legs above horizontal is a no-no.

Grenoble seem to have got one back. Game on!

And that was shortlived as Ospreys cancel it out with their third try.

Tomtom364

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Depends how you define dump tackle. Legs above horizontal is a no-no.

Grenoble seem to have got one back. Game on!

And that was shortlived as Ospreys cancel it out with their third try.

Ref called It as above the horizontal with the tmo review but I believe it was a very harsh call. It was horizontal, but not above it. And the player completely held onto the ball carriers and went to ground with him. Textbook dump Tackle.

nehe milner skudder

games gone soft

CMOTDibbler

As predicted, the Os have the bonus point by half time.

Lake1989

keelan giles is pacey

FellasFellas

Bridge93 wrote: »

The defence of this guy because he's awful sound off the pitch is pathetic. Take off the rose tinted glasses and see the act for the thuggery it is

Excuse me, I think I said he was a lovely guy but haven't defended what he did. I said it was a shocking thing what he did. If you need to whet your appetite for thanks that much, maybe go to the Expecting Fathers section and say your other half is expecting; they'll flood in. Take off your backseat moderator glasses as well my friend!

FellasFellas

molloyjh wrote: »

He did in his hoop "drop" him. He threw him to the ground. You really need to watch that video again. Look at the arms after picking him up.

http://www.independent.ie/videos/sport/watch-moment-ulster-centre-is-bodyslammed-in-totally-unprovoked-incident-during-a-club-rugby-match-and-is-rushed-to-hospital-35276207.html#play

Synode wrote: »

There's a clear pushing down motion after he lifts him. He doesn't just lift and let go. He lifts and forces downwards

But it's still not, 'driving into the ground' as was previously said.

irishbucsfan

FellasFellas wrote: »

But it's still not, 'driving into the ground' as was previously said.

So?

Dropping a player is also completely illegal and is specifically mentioned in that infamous 2011 memorandum on spear tackles as a red card offense

Law 10.4(j) reads: Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground whilst that player’s feet are still off the ground such that the player’s head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground is dangerous play.

A directive was issued to all Unions and Match Officials in 2009 emphasizing the IRB’s zero-tolerance stance towards dangerous tackles and reiterating the following instructions for referees:

- The player is lifted and then forced or ‘speared’ into the ground (red card offence)

- The lifted player is dropped to the ground from a height with no regard to the player’s safety (red card offence)

- For all other types of dangerous lifting tackles a yellow card or penalty may be considered sufficient

FellasFellas

irishbucsfan wrote: »

So?

Dropping a player is also completely illegal and is specifically mentioned in that infamous 2011 memorandum on spear tackles as a red card offense

I didn't deny that dropping a player was illegal, but I was disputing that he was driven into the ground, which he blatantly wasn't. O'Driscoll was driven into the ground in 05, Mark Best is not driven into the ground here.

irishbucsfan

FellasFellas wrote: »

I didn't deny that dropping a player was illegal, but I was disputing that he was driven into the ground, which he blatantly wasn't. O'Driscoll was driven into the ground in 05, Mark Best is not driven into the ground here.

That's a bit pedantic though, it's equally dangerous and it was certainly malicious.

He's extremely lucky and I agree with the poster above that his club should be standing him down, captain or no. I hope he's apologised.

Lake1989

bayonne 15-28 treviso.

Lake1989

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/rugby-union/10688967/la-rochelle-coach-goes-mad

just seen this on sky sports website. Look at the guy 2nd from left. doesnt give a fook

ScrubsfanChris

Hartley Red card

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EV-aM3j0kg

Oh wait, wrong one, There's just soo many :P

Mallinder confirms that North was concussed last weekend. http://www.planetrugby.com/news/mallinder-expects-decent-ban-for-hartley/

Mallinder also provided an update on George North, stating that the Wales on review by the Northampton medical team had been concussed during last weekend's defeat away to Leicester.

"At the time of the incident, our medics from the views that they could see and speaking to George, they believed George was not concussed. On reviewing the other views, after the incident, they recognised that he was concussed or probably was and therefore would have probably done things differently," Mallinder explained.

"‘He’s been to see the specialist. He’s been fine all week, he was fine actually soon as the incident occurred.

"We said before, he was talking as soon as the physio got to him, he was fine… there wasn’t an issue. He has had no symptoms of concussion."

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Are teams punished for having poor disciplinary records? Hartley, assuming he gets a ban, will be the 3rd Northampton player in the space of about a month to get one.

kuang1

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Are teams punished for having poor disciplinary records? Hartley, assuming he gets a ban, will be the 3rd Northampton player in the space of about a month to get one.

I don't think so.
But Northampton have an absolutely atrocious record established now.

Buer

Deleted User wrote: »

Mallinder confirms that North was concussed last weekend. http://www.planetrugby.com/news/mallinder-expects-decent-ban-for-hartley/

Mallinder also provided an update on George North, stating that the Wales on review by the Northampton medical team had been concussed during last weekend's defeat away to Leicester.

"At the time of the incident, our medics from the views that they could see and speaking to George, they believed George was not concussed. On reviewing the other views, after the incident, they recognised that he was concussed or probably was and therefore would have probably done things differently," Mallinder explained.

"‘He’s been to see the specialist. He’s been fine all week, he was fine actually soon as the incident occurred.

"We said before, he was talking as soon as the physio got to him, he was fine… there wasn’t an issue. He has had no symptoms of concussion."

Very surprised he came out and admitted it. Massive failure in protocol at the very least for a concussed player with a bad history to be returned to action like that.

It will be interesting to see what action is taken, if any.

Johngoose

Any views on Exeter Chiefs playing Bordeaux tomorrow?

Lake1989

Johngoose wrote: »

Any views on Exeter Chiefs playing Bordeaux tomorrow?

If weather conditions are good it could be very high scoring

Interested Observer

I see Malinder is quoted in the Guardian basically saying North was probably concussed and the medics got it wrong. It's the the Hartley red card article.

I for one am shocked.

pickarooney

I heard an operatic version of Stand Up And Fight the other day. Surprisingly good.