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    #7742
    Felix Jones is God
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,160 ✭✭✭Felix Jones is God


    pickarooney wrote: »
    I heard an operatic version of Stand Up And Fight the other day. Surprisingly good.

    ? It's from Bizet's Carmen...which is an opera


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    #7743
    Lake1989
    Site Banned Posts: 377 ✭✭Lake1989


    Article in the guardian about the demise of Union in australia. It already struggled against cricket, aussie rules and league but now hockey, netball, basketball, tennis and especially soccer are/have overtaking union.

    I found the article on twitter. Sonja McLaughlin has a link on her feed.


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    #7744
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Felix Jones is God wrote: »
    ? It's from Bizet's Carmen...which is an opera

    One of ny favourite operas


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    #7745
    Bridge93
    Registered Users Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    Stheno wrote: »
    One of ny favourite operas

    Saw it in the Sydney Opera House and without an opera bone in my body even I enjoyed it


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    #7746
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Buer wrote: »
    Very surprised he came out and admitted it. Massive failure in protocol at the very least for a concussed player with a bad history to be returned to action like that.

    It will be interesting to see what action is taken, if any.

    Protocol failure though ?

    Does it not mean that the whole HIA assessment is a farce. It was indeed plain to all on the replay that he was knocked out. And so concussed. And they say had they seen that replay they would have withdrawn him. So the test did not detect that he had been knocked out - and North didnt say so either we can guess.
    So has the HIA any credibility at all if it can let a knocked out player back on the pitch ?


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    #7747
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Felix Jones is God wrote: »
    ? It's from Bizet's Carmen...which is an opera

    Its Munster fans' tribute to French rugby whether they are playing a French team or not.


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    #7748
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    "‘He’s been to see the specialist. He’s been fine all week, he was fine actually soon as the incident occurred.
    "We said before, he was talking as soon as the physio got to him, he was fine… there wasn’t an issue. He has had no symptoms of concussion."


    Yet withdrawn from playing Leinster. Mmmmm. Whole lot of logic going on there.


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    #7749
    Lake1989
    Site Banned Posts: 377 ✭✭Lake1989


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Protocol failure though ?

    Does it not mean that the whole HIA assessment is a farce. It was indeed plain to all on the replay that he was knocked out. And so concussed. And they say had they seen that replay they would have withdrawn him. So the test did not detect that he had been knocked out - and North didnt say so either we can guess.
    So has the HIA any credibility at all if it can let a knocked out player back on the pitch ?

    SOB failed his HIA after Hartley tried to decapitate him. So did they even do a proper check or it is possible that his concussion was mild enough that he was able to answer the questions clearly.


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    #7750
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Medical professionals have said repeatedly that the HIA has no real medical basis. This is not news. The nature of concussion makes it impossible to make any definitive calls in the space of 10 minutes. If someone is very clearly out of it you don't really need to ask them anything to see it. Think of Giteau wandering off down the pitch away from the direction the play was going. Very obviously something wrong there. Players can be knocked out and show no imidiate side effects. It's completely possible they could pass a HIA. The problem is when a medical team, or the coaching team, decide that the HIA is the only tool they use for deciding if a player should play or not.

    With the recent North incident I'll buy that the medical team didn't see him unconscious on the pitch and that they didn't have access to the replays. I won't buy that not one single person involved in the Northampton set up saw him unconscious on the pitch, either in real time or on the replays.


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    #7751
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 38,010 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Got tickets for the pro 12 final next May for myself and the family for Xmas. Front row upper south stand €38.5 each not bad

    It's a gamble of will it be an all Irish final, 1 Irish team or no Irish team final. Treviso vs Edinburgh final lol


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    #7752
    Johngoose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Johngoose


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Got tickets for the pro 12 final next May for myself and the family for Xmas. Front row upper south stand €38.5 each not bad

    It's a gamble of will it be an all Irish final, 1 Irish team or no Irish team final. Treviso vs Edinburgh final lol

    I'm making an early prediction of Munster v Leinster.


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    #7753
    Interested Observer
    Registered Users Posts: 13,033 ✭✭✭✭Interested Observer


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Medical professionals have said repeatedly that the HIA has no real medical basis. This is not news. The nature of concussion makes it impossible to make any definitive calls in the space of 10 minutes. If someone is very clearly out of it you don't really need to ask them anything to see it. Think of Giteau wandering off down the pitch away from the direction the play was going. Very obviously something wrong there. Players can be knocked out and show no imidiate side effects. It's completely possible they could pass a HIA. The problem is when a medical team, or the coaching team, decide that the HIA is the only tool they use for deciding if a player should play or not.

    With the recent North incident I'll buy that the medical team didn't see him unconscious on the pitch and that they didn't have access to the replays. I won't buy that not one single person involved in the Northampton set up saw him unconscious on the pitch, either in real time or on the replays.

    I've just watched it again and the medical team are on the pitch within seconds of him going down. I don't know how they decided he was ok. Totally agree that it is complete rubbish that nobody saw him sparked out, it's an embarrassing defence from NH.


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    #7754
    Clearlier
    Registered Users Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭Clearlier


    Northampton seems tailor made for Lancaster to do a culture change job. It's only a couple of hours down the road from Leeds too so wouldn't be surprised to see him go there.


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    #7755
    Lake1989
    Site Banned Posts: 377 ✭✭Lake1989


    Wales online reporting gethin jenkins has a bicep injury which will mean three months out


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    #7756
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,174 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Lake1989 wrote: »
    http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/rugby-union/10688967/la-rochelle-coach-goes-mad

    just seen this on sky sports website. Look at the guy 2nd from left. doesnt give a fook

    Is that Rickie Januarie??


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    #7757
    Lake1989
    Site Banned Posts: 377 ✭✭Lake1989


    Slimani going to Clermont on 3 year deal.


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    #7758
    .ak
    Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Lake1989 wrote: »
    Wales online reporting gethin jenkins has a bicep injury which will mean three months out

    That's him out of the lions so... and all Irish front row looking very possible.


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    #7759
    Lake1989
    Site Banned Posts: 377 ✭✭Lake1989


    Round 5 and 6 fixtures to be announced on Monday apparently.


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    #7760
    The Pheasant2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭The Pheasant2


    .ak wrote: »
    That's him out of the lions so... and all Irish front row looking very possible.

    Reckon it'll all hinge on the 6 nations - most English seem to rate Mako over McGrath at the moment


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    #7761
    .ak
    Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    The Pheasant2 wrote: »
    Reckon it'll all hinge on the 6 nations - most English seem to rate Mako over McGrath at the moment

    In fairness Mako is brilliant the loose. He has that experience also.


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    #7762
    Interested Observer
    Registered Users Posts: 13,033 ✭✭✭✭Interested Observer


    .ak wrote: »
    In fairness Mako is brilliant the loose. He has that experience also.

    He's no more experience than McGrath does.


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    #7763
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Interested Observer wrote: »
    He's no more experience than McGrath does.

    Well that's not true anyway. He has a particularly relevant bit of experience that McGrath doesn't have.


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    #7764
    Lake1989
    Site Banned Posts: 377 ✭✭Lake1989


    Interested Observer wrote: »
    He's no more experience than McGrath does.

    Lions 2013 experience


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    #7765
    Johngoose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Johngoose


    Wasps to win in Galway this weekend?They were certainly outclassed last weekend.But Connacht can throw up surprises at home...


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    #7766
    Lake1989
    Site Banned Posts: 377 ✭✭Lake1989


    http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/38295842

    James Davies cited for swearing at ref


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    #7767
    [Deleted User]
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    Lake1989 wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/38295842

    James Davies cited for swearing at ref

    I think he swore and the ref cautioned him for it. It was the "suggestive hand moving gestures" he made walking away that has gotten him in trouble. In fact Wales Online were reporting that the club are considering taking action themselves.


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    #7768
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    He'd fit in at Northampton with that attitude


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    #7769
    ScrubsfanChris
    Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think he swore and the ref cautioned him for it. It was the "suggestive hand moving gestures" he made walking away that has gotten him in trouble. In fact Wales Online were reporting that the club are considering taking action themselves.
    Video here: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/scarlets-reveal-could-sack-james-12313043

    He's either an idiot or didn't think one of the many camera would see it :rolleyes:


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    #7770
    RobbieRuns
    Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭RobbieRuns


    Eejit


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    #7771
    Felix Jones is God
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,160 ✭✭✭Felix Jones is God


    Yeah, any club that suggests sacking a player for that gesture needs to spend some serious time in the real world


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