Breaking News - Steven Colvert

Krusty_Clown

dna_leri wrote:

BTW - interesting that the page above has 2 links to purchasing viagra

I think that may be based on your browser search history. Doesn't show in my browser.
You should probably run some anti-spyware/advert tools.

ecoli

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

I think that may be based on your browser search history. Doesn't show in my browser.
You should probably run some anti-spyware/advert tools.

Was thinking the same myself,this is based around your browser history and cookies from IIRC

tomdempsey200

Clearlier wrote: »

I completely agree. It certainly used to be the case that the testing authorities would only make an announcement after either of the 2 conditions you mention were met. I don't know who has released the information in this case. In the past some dopers have used the gap between A and B tests to launch a PR offensive so perhaps policy has changed about releasing the results of an A test although it would seem unfair. I can only recall one public case of an A sample being positive and a B being negative although that was some time ago and I can't remember who the athlete was. IIRC testing protocols were subsequently amended because of that case.

Marion Jones and Bernard lagat

Clum

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

I wonder if they get tested during their bans? Wouldn't it be a great opportunity to dope up and get a year of uninterrupted training under the belt?

This was a hot topic last autumn in the group I did long runs with as we all knew somebody coming to the end of a 2 year ban. It was confirmed on one run, as DNA Leri has already mentioned, that retesting was requested 6 months before the ban was over.

Liamo51

I have been following this thread since yesterday. Will those posters who use terms like drug cheat etc. apologise when he is proved innocent. He states that he took iron, which is allowed - he took it as he was run down from doing exams and training 5 hours per day. He also took vitamins which were bought over the counter to revive him, as you do and he has the receipts to prove it.

It seems to be a case of "guilty until proven innocent" - which is dreadful. Who'd be an athlete? Comparing him to Chambers etc. is also dreadful. He's a young man with a great talent and would have nothing to gain by takinG EPO.

I reckon there has been some error which is not of his making and he is an innocent victim. The sad thing is that he is in all the newspapers etc. and people are very quick to judge and form an opinion.

Time will tell - he needs support during this terrible time for him and his family.

Oops69

drquirky wrote: »

At least some good has come from all of this I managed to get myself rebuked but the one and only "Brezzie" on twitter over this for a "condescending tweet" :D:D:D:D

You sure he didn't mean "condescending twit"

Clum

Liamo51 wrote: »

I have been following this thread since yesterday. Will those posters who use terms like drug cheat etc. apologise when he is proved innocent. He states that he took iron, which is allowed - he took it as he was run down from doing exams and training 5 hours per day. He also took vitamins which were bought over the counter to revive him, as you do and he has the receipts to prove it.

It seems to be a case of "guilty until proven innocent" - which is dreadful. Who'd be an athlete? Comparing him to Chambers etc. is also dreadful. He's a young man with a great talent and would have nothing to gain by takinG EPO.

I reckon there has been some error which is not of his making and he is an innocent victim. The sad thing is that he is in all the newspapers etc. and people are very quick to judge and form an opinion.

Time will tell - he needs support during this terrible time for him and his family.

I just reread the whole thread and nobody has called Colvert a cheat.

Nobody compared him to Chambers either. Chambers was mentioned as an example of sprinters using EPO.

Hard Worker

Liamo51 wrote: »

I have been following this thread since yesterday. Will those posters who use terms like drug cheat etc. apologise when he is proved innocent. He states that he took iron, which is allowed - he took it as he was run down from doing exams and training 5 hours per day. He also took vitamins which were bought over the counter to revive him, as you do and he has the receipts to prove it.

It seems to be a case of "guilty until proven innocent" - which is dreadful. Who'd be an athlete? Comparing him to Chambers etc. is also dreadful. He's a young man with a great talent and would have nothing to gain by takinG EPO.

I reckon there has been some error which is not of his making and he is an innocent victim. The sad thing is that he is in all the newspapers etc. and people are very quick to judge and form an opinion.

Time will tell - he needs support during this terrible time for him and his family.

The reason it's in all the newspapers is because he himself released a press statement.
At the moment, people have two pieces of evidence in front of them. One is the result of the testing of the A sample. The other is his press statement. Obviously, people will draw conclusions. If the B sample shows a similar result, people will be free to call him a cheat.

drquirky

Liamo51 wrote: »

I have been following this thread since yesterday. Will those posters who use terms like drug cheat etc. apologise when he is proved innocent. He states that he took iron, which is allowed - he took it as he was run down from doing exams and training 5 hours per day. He also took vitamins which were bought over the counter to revive him, as you do and he has the receipts to prove it.

It seems to be a case of "guilty until proven innocent" - which is dreadful. Who'd be an athlete? Comparing him to Chambers etc. is also dreadful. He's a young man with a great talent and would have nothing to gain by takinG EPO.

I reckon there has been some error which is not of his making and he is an innocent victim. The sad thing is that he is in all the newspapers etc. and people are very quick to judge and form an opinion.

Time will tell - he needs support during this terrible time for him and his family.

Yeah. Agree don't think name calling etc helps anything. All we know is his A sample has tested positive for EPO. I'd also dispute that a sprinter would have "nothing to gain from taking EPO" but thats for another thread I suppose.

Liamo51

Fair point - it was not used literally, but the comparison with Chambers was unecessary and would imply to anyone reading this thread that Colverts prediciment is the same, which it is not.

I find that athletes are a very gratious body of people, having witnessed their behaviour at track events and also, by reading threads, such as this one. It must come about through the fact that they train very hard and that there are more downs than ups and little or no monitory reward. I find their attitude very admirable - by the way, I'm not an athlete.

I expect that the same level of gratiousness would be extended to a great talent who finds himself in a nightmare situation.

drquirky

Liamo51 wrote: »

Fair point - it was not used literally, but the comparison with Chambers was unecessary and would imply to anyone reading this thread that Colverts prediciment is the same, which it is not.

I find that athletes are a very gratious body of people, having witnessed their behaviour at track events and also, by reading threads, such as this one. It must come about through the fact that they train very hard and that there are more downs than ups and little or no monitory reward. I find their attitude very admirable - by the way, I'm not an athlete.

I expect that the same level of gratiousness would be extended to a great talent who finds himself in a nightmare situation.

For sure. Completely agree w/ pretty much all of that. I just hope (for his sake) the B sample comes up negative.

gerard_65

Athletics is a joke. 'Take PED's, think up an excuse which makes you seemed the sinned against, take a short ban and your back making money'. I say just let them at it, remove all restrictions on PED's and save loads of tax payers money on testing.
OR
No more fcuking around. Caught and your banned for life. No excuses, no appeals - BOOM your out. And not only competing, but coaching and even been a member of a club.
One or the other. This slapping on the wrist, a few months ban, is b0ll0cks.

Liamo51

take a short ban and your back making money'.

What money? where? what? There's no money in athletics unless you're at the very top.

average_runner

Liam:
In athletics he is guilty, he failed a drugs test, got drop from the Irish team and is up to him to prove his innocence.

If he knew he was at risk of failing a test, due to.something he took he should of notified the relevant people.

There is no link of iron supplements causing an epo failure.

He choose athletics as occupation, not us, no one forced him so drop that argument

gerard_65

Liamo51 wrote: »

take a short ban and your back making money'.

What money? where? what? There's no money in athletics unless you're at the very top.

And most of the cheats are at the top or trying to get to the top.
Of course there's money. You think the Kenyans are running for nothing. So you think everyone competes for a chunk on metal or honor. Cop on.

ecoli

average_runner wrote: »

Liam:
In athletics he is guilty, he failed a drugs test, got drop from the Irish team and is up to him to prove his innocence.

If he knew he was at risk of failing a test, due to.something he took he should of notified the relevant people.

There is no link of iron supplements causing an epo failure.

He choose athletics as occupation, not us, no one forced him so drop that argument

They found an anomaly in his A test. Till the B sample comes back he has not officially failed to the best of my knowledge which is why they usually wait until the results are conclusive (aka the results are back on the to make the announcement however the athlete came out publicly because he feels it's helps with transparency.

There is no mention of him blaming the iron supplement this part of the article was simply a reference to the only sort of supplements he has taken, obviously he is not sure what caused the anomaly so did not know he was at risk of failing. His thought patterns are retroactively trying to work back.

The article will be scrutinized by people on the back of the test but the fact is this is a young athlete who came out publicly immediately after he found out so some of the quotes may have been off the cuff and not fully thought through at the time of giving the interview.

Also athletics is not his occupation, he is a full time student.


not defending just saying wait until his B sample comes back before nailing him to the cross

ecoli

gerard_65 wrote: »

And most of the cheats are at the top or trying to get to the top.
Of course there's money. You think the Kenyans are running for nothing. So you think everyone competes for a chunk on metal or honor. Cop on.

To give a bit of balance:

http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/10/news/economy/olympic-athletes-financial/

No every athlete is competing on the roads winning marathons

gerard_65

ecoli wrote: »

To give a bit of balance:

http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/10/news/economy/olympic-athletes-financial/

No every athlete is competing on the roads winning marathons

Its true that American athletes are caught between a rock and a hard place. Most money is on the European circuit, however that means living away from home for a lot of the year, difficult for those with families. Also Americans don't really care what happens outside their own country, Micheal Johnson has spoken about this.
However just look at Mo Farah, his money grabbing is so blatant. Add in a whole bunch of Africans. If the sport was amateur would the Kenyans be so enthusiastic, fcuk they would. And it would be a hell of a lot cleaner.
PED's were first used to try prove a political system's superiority , now its money.

Liamo51

Very Harsh - if the B test is negative, will you be as quick to put your hands up and say sorry for being judge and jury?

How would he know he was at risk of failing a drugs test when he did nothing wrong, according to himself?

No-one said there is a link between the two.

I hope you have a perfect life, maybe you have - he choose athletics, as I choose football, because I was good at it - or so I thought - don't be so harsh and judgemental as you don't know all of the facts. I'm sure he is going through a very tough time presently, he's young - give him a break.

gerard_65

Liamo51 wrote: »

Very Harsh - if the B test is negative, will you be as quick to put your hands up and say sorry for being judge and jury?

How would he know he was at risk of failing a drugs test when he did nothing wrong, according to himself?

No-one said there is a link between the two.

I hope you have a perfect life, maybe you have - he choose athletics, as I choose football, because I was good at it - or so I thought - don't be so harsh and judgemental as you don't know all of the facts. I'm sure he is going through a very tough time presently, he's young - give him a break.

who's this aimed at, me?. I wasn't referring to Colvert. I was not judging him. I was generalising about athletics as I see it.

Liamo51

Of course you were referring to Colvert - all the implications were there - this is what the discussion is all about or had you noticed/

ChickenTikka

gerard_65 wrote: »

Athletics is a joke. 'Take PED's, think up an excuse which makes you seemed the sinned against, take a short ban and your back making money'. I say just let them at it, remove all restrictions on PED's and save loads of tax payers money on testing.

Just looking at the most recent Irish Sports Council report on the testing carried out in Ireland: http://www.irishsportscouncil.ie/Anti-Doping/Resources/Annual_Reports/Annual_Report_2012.pdf

Not sure how much tax payers money is involved but you're right, most of the money is wasted on drug testing those wealthy Irish athletes! Over 20% of all the tests were carried out on the countless number of Irish athletes in the drug testing program. A bloody disgrace, they should have to pay for them themselves or take it out of the enormous sums collected from spectators at all the big athletics meets in Ireland. :rolleyes:

Luckily the minority sports like GAA and soccer didn't get tested as much so we don't need to worry about any waste of tax payers money there. Probably not tested as much as the potential earnings are so insignificant compared to what a guy winning a sprint in Morton Stadium can get. :rolleyes:

PWEI

Victor Conte had something to say about it;

https://twitter.com/VictorConte/status/479715727033643008

Clearlier

Liamo51 wrote: »

Very Harsh - if the B test is negative, will you be as quick to put your hands up and say sorry for being judge and jury?

How would he know he was at risk of failing a drugs test when he did nothing wrong, according to himself?

No-one said there is a link between the two.

I hope you have a perfect life, maybe you have - he choose athletics, as I choose football, because I was good at it - or so I thought - don't be so harsh and judgemental as you don't know all of the facts. I'm sure he is going through a very tough time presently, he's young - give him a break.

While I disagree with some of what ger had to say he was clearly having a rant in general about athletics and drugs testing probably with Tyson Gay in the back of his mind rather than Steven Colvert. Maybe it shouldn't have been on the thread but it is not totally irrelevant.

All we have to go on so far is that he has released a statement saying that he has failed an A sample test, that he hasn't intentionally done anything and that he has been taking some supplements. We don't know how long he has had to prepare the statement. I hope that the B sample clears him because I'm Irish and I don't like to see Irish people cheating. OTOH I'm glad that we have one of the better drug testing systems and that we do catch at least some of the people who cheat.

Itziger

God, I'd love if the real anti-doping bodies were given a couple of days to test the footballers in Brazil. I've never seen a team keep up the energy levels of Chile the other night against Spain. I'll be interested to see if they're still tearing around like that in their next game. The commentators made one or two very lame comments about training/fitness.

Yes, athletics and cycling have real drugs problems but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the holy cows of soccer and rugby were similar. Criminal lack of attention in those sports. The Dr Fuentes case in Spain was dropped like a hot potato when they saw it wasn't just cyclists involved!

gerard_65

I was not referring to Colvert in my rant. I don't know if he's guilty or not and I'm not judging him. Personally I hope the positive A test is a mistake.
This thread generalised about doping before I joined it.
My rant was about the light bans handed out to those who are caught, I'm not alone in believing anyone caught doping should be banned for life - no excuses.
The amount of times I heard 'its full of drugs' when I tell people I'm interested in athletics its an eye opener. That's the impression a lot of people have. I've even been asked what I 'use' when training. That's from soccer and GAA fans.
And I have no doubt PED's are used in other sports, rugby immediately comes to mind.
The fact is many ordinary sports fans lump athletics and 'sports' like bodybuilding in the same category and that's down to the idiots who govern athletics who hand out mickey mouse bans.

Liamo51

Fair enough

Oregano_State

EPO is only of use to sprinters during hard phases of training, where taking it would allow the quality and frequency to be higher than otherwise possible. This would be during the winter, and possibly immediately after the indoor season when some groups go back into a heavy training phase.

This test was taken on the 20th May, 11 days before he competed in Oordegem. This indicates he was in a competition phase of training which is high quality, low quantity. Taking EPO makes zero sense in this context, as it would have absolutely no performance benefit as far as I can see. If he has the brains to get as far as his 3rd year exams in Law I find it hard to believe that he would do something so stupid for no gain.

That's my reading of the situation. I think it could very well be a false positive, but obviously we'll have to wait for the B-sample to see what happens. The damage has been done already though as regards his reputation. No matter what happens he'll have a black mark against him going forward and I really don't think that's fair, guilty or not.

rom

Oregano_State wrote: »

If he has the brains to get as far as his 3rd year exams in Law I find it hard to believe that he would do something so stupid for no gain.

Michelle Smith
Cathal Lombard

drquirky

I will point out- if he wasn't Irish and was say....American- he would be getting crucified already on this thread.