milking parlours

alco16

well, putting in new parlour have looked at dairymaster and de laval just looking for feedback, anyone have experiance of one or both?

visatorro

Go with best break down services. And handiness to get bits. Hopefully that'll be Delaval!! There's a couple of other makes in business so don't be afraid to get plenty of quotes and work them off each other

alco16

visatorro wrote: »

Go with best break down services. And handiness to get bits. Hopefully that'll be Delaval!! There's a couple of other makes in business so don't be afraid to get plenty of quotes and work them off each other

yeah deffo plan to look at more moving out of old parlour and starting from scratch so price of build has to be considered to, cheers

_Brian

I serviced in the industry for years and can honestly say DeLaval have always had the edge in a better machine that will last and be serviceable in years to come.
Dairymaster would be a close second. Everything else is way behind both of these.

Viewtodiefor

_Brian wrote: »

I serviced in the industry for years and can honestly say DeLaval have always had the edge in a better machine that will last and be serviceable in years to come.
Dairymaster would be a close second. Everything else is way behind both of these.

I Totally disagree with you. There are just as giood if not better makes out there. Don't believe the hype

mahoney_j

_Brian wrote: »

I serviced in the industry for years and can honestly say DeLaval have always had the edge in a better machine that will last and be serviceable in years to come.
Dairymaster would be a close second. Everything else is way behind both of these.

Would put full wood and Gea light years ahead of dairy master ,can't comment on delaval.dairymaster gas too much plastic parts and 4*o pulsation which leads to scc issues

_Brian

I suppose people are divided just as much as car brand loyalty in this one.

Greengrass1

_Brian wrote: »

I suppose people are divided just as much as car brand loyalty in this one.

Worked in two delavals. Don't like them. Wiring too messy and stuff all over the place. Fullwood or dairy master put in nice tidy wiring

5live

mahoney_j wrote: »

Would put full wood and Gea light years ahead of dairy master ,can't comment on delaval.dairymaster gas too much plastic parts and 4*o pulsation which leads to scc issues

A few Dairymaster plants round me have had bad problems with with scc and replaced the pulsation with Delaval.

The ONLY plant Dairymaster want to sell is direct to line with 4x0 pulsation which makes it easier for their servicemen to service the plant and they can keep less parts in their vans.

If the OP wants any other spec parlour than that he should go with another brand. 6 months negotiating with them and they still only gave me the price of 4x0 direct to line. Only when i went to Delaval did they give me a price for what i wanted.

OP, have you decided how many units you are hoping to put in, the length of the spaces (2'2", 2'3", 2'6"), how automated you want the plant etc?

whelan2

my parlour is a mix of a few makes, works for me and service man available 24/7.

save_me_some

mahoney_j wrote: »

Would put full wood and Gea light years ahead of dairy master ,can't comment on delaval.dairymaster gas too much plastic parts and 4*o pulsation which leads to scc issues

dont know what their like today but the parlour i grew up with in the early nineties had fullwood clawpieces and they were more complicated than a nuclear reactor , so many pieces , took five mins to open and put back together

i would put dairymaster way ahead of fullwood but de leval ahead of dairymaster , dairymaster appears to be dominant today in terms of market share

_Brian

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Worked in two delavals. Don't like them. Wiring too messy and stuff all over the place. Fullwood or dairy master put in nice tidy wiring

That's just down to installations done. Mine were top notch .
And I was rating based on reliability and serviceability.

_Brian

whelan2 wrote: »

my parlour is a mix of a few makes, works for me and service man available 24/7.

Having the serviceman there when needed is a huge thing. I remember being out on a Christmas Eve at 9pm.

Sam Kade

whelan2 wrote: »

my parlour is a mix of a few makes, works for me and service man available 24/7.

Hybrid, mines the same. Is the 4x0 pulsation where you have only one air tube? I thought that was supposed to be better than 2x2 pulsation.

_Brian

4x0 Vs 2x2 is another touchy subject.

Less cow health problems with 2x2.

atlantic mist

mahoney_j wrote: »

Would put full wood and Gea light years ahead of dairy master ,can't comment on delaval.dairymaster gas too much plastic parts and 4*o pulsation which leads to scc issues

would agree with my preference to gea

frazzledhome

For me make unimportant, I buy from closest dealer with best backup. Simple as that.

Timmaay

Surely the price is important also. I've got afew quotes from different manufactures, all for a basic spec 10unit that I can upgrade afterwards. The prices ranged from 25k for a Gascoigne to 41k for a GEA. I've yet to price up delaval or dairymaster, however I've heard the dairymaster will be closer to the 40k.

Greengrass1

Timmaay wrote: »

Surely the price is important also. I've got afew quotes from different manufactures, all for a basic spec 10unit that I can upgrade afterwards. The prices ranged from 25k for a Gascoigne to 41k for a GEA. I've yet to price up delaval or dairymaster, however I've heard the dairymaster will be closer to the 40k.

I dunno now tbh. Friend of mine is putting in a 16 unit and he said dairy master bet the socks off fullwood for price

mahoney_j

Dairymaster will beat anyone on price and in doing so will put in sub standard plastic joiners etc to compensate .

farmerjj

We went for delaval here but would have probable gone with fullwood if the service man was closer, but in saying that we are very happy with delaval and would def recommend.

cjpm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Dairymaster will beat anyone on price and in doing so will put in sub standard plastic joiners etc to compensate .

Have plastic joiners on our Dairymaster. Since day one. Installed in 1988. No problems with SCC either.

There is a local parlour fitter here. Spends his time giving out about Dairymaster, I'm not sure what make he installs. He put in a 14 unit recently and now the farmer is spending €200 a day on mastitis meds. He's fairly quiet about that machine. Tool.

awaywithyou

Timmaay wrote: »

Surely the price is important also. I've got afew quotes from different manufactures, all for a basic spec 10unit that I can upgrade afterwards. The prices ranged from 25k for a Gascoigne to 41k for a GEA. I've yet to price up delaval or dairymaster, however I've heard the dairymaster will be closer to the 40k.

Dairymaster start off with a mad price... Then when the pressure comes on.. Ned will give a call to you and watch the way he gets a slash hook to the price. I've first hand experience:)

mahoney_j

awaywithyou wrote: »

Dairymaster start off with a mad price... Then when the pressure comes on.. Ned will give a call to you and watch the way he gets a slash hook to the price. I've first hand experience:)

So have I ,price dorps and big ones at that just to try and show dairymaster is king which it in no way is.the price drops but so dose quality of materials

alco16

5live wrote: »

A few Dairymaster plants round me have had bad problems with with scc and replaced the pulsation with Delaval.

The ONLY plant Dairymaster want to sell is direct to line with 4x0 pulsation which makes it easier for their servicemen to service the plant and they can keep less parts in their vans.

If the OP wants any other spec parlour than that he should go with another brand. 6 months negotiating with them and they still only gave me the price of 4x0 direct to line. Only when i went to Delaval did they give me a price for what i wanted.

OP, have you decided how many units you are hoping to put in, the length of the spaces (2'2", 2'3", 2'6"), how automated you want the plant etc?

building for 20 units 14 working units to start 2'3 centres manual bailing putting in swing arm but no acr yet

alco16

Timmaay wrote: »

Surely the price is important also. I've got afew quotes from different manufactures, all for a basic spec 10unit that I can upgrade afterwards. The prices ranged from 25k for a Gascoigne to 41k for a GEA. I've yet to price up delaval or dairymaster, however I've heard the dairymaster will be closer to the 40k.

i have priced a basic enough dairymaster which can be easily upgraded plus a few extras for well under 4k a unit

Greengrass1

alco16 wrote: »

i have priced a basic enough dairymaster which can be easily upgraded plus a few extras for well under 4k a unit

Basic? My fullwood is coming in at 2,400 a unit. That has swing over arms and dumpline and low line wash

loveta

dairy master, delaval, fullwood, gea ect ect they all work on the same principle and i can guarantee ya there is top notch herds being milked in each of them with no problems went from a old "alfa la valve" with 2x2 pulse to a dairy master 4x0 pulse and honestly could see no difference, the big thing and its being said before is back up and there will come a time when you need it so better the local well stocked guy who will be there for ya.

alco16

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Basic? My fullwood is coming in at 2,400 a unit. That has swing over arms and dumpline and low line wash

mine is a brand new bulid price also includes feeders

Greengrass1

alco16 wrote: »

mine is a brand new bulid price also includes feeders

Mines still coming in at 3500 and feeders are all ready to go for feed to held if I ever want to set it up

alco16

loveta wrote: »

dairy master, delaval, fullwood, gea ect ect they all work on the same principle and i can guarantee ya there is top notch herds being milked in each of them with no problems went from a old "alfa la valve" with 2x2 pulse to a dairy master 4x0 pulse and honestly could see no difference, the big thing and its being said before is back up and there will come a time when you need it so better the local well stocked guy who will be there for ya.

you are happy enough with the parlour though?

alco16

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Mines still coming in at 3500 and feeders are all ready to go for feed to held if I ever want to set it up

cheers will deffo look them up

loveta

alco16 wrote: »

you are happy enough with the parlour though?

yes would put in another one, but would put in another brand either once the back up was there

Greengrass1

alco16 wrote: »

cheers will deffo look them up

Might be a bit dearer. Uncle is fullwood fitter

alco16

loveta wrote: »

yes would put in another one, but would put in another brand either once the back up was there

far as i know de laval and dairymaster closest hence origional post will price couple more though no harm

joejobrien

loveta wrote: »

dairy master, delaval, fullwood, gea ect ect they all work on the same principle and i can guarantee ya there is top notch herds being milked in each of them with no problems went from a old "alfa la valve" with 2x2 pulse to a dairy master 4x0 pulse and honestly could see no difference, the big thing and its being said before is back up and there will come a time when you need it so better the local well stocked guy who will be there for ya.

+1 here . well said. Its all down to personal choice and service backup and that means 24/7/365:cool:

John_F

first thing is service.. but not a local man that will take ya for a ride. id rather have an honest dependable lad that knows his stuff 15 miles away than a man across the road and has a poor rep.

as for makes... 1.gea westfalia, 2. fullwood or delaval, 3. boumatic / gascoigne,

yes dairymaster have a large market share... in ireland... hell of a lot more cows going thru the top 3 manufacturers compared to them. huge irish success story to be fair but i cannot see the quality.

John_F

also the only other make doing 4*0 pulsation is gascoigne, and they push 2*2 more and really only say stay 4*0 if you have it already. if it was as good as dairymaster say then all the other manufacturers would be using it... doubt very much there is a patent on it :rolleyes: serious amount of research after being done by delaval, westfalia and boumatic into how cows milk etc. google 'delaval hamra farm'

mahoney_j

John_F wrote: »

first thing is service.. but not a local man that will take ya for a ride. id rather have an honest dependable lad that knows his stuff 15 miles away than a man across the road and has a poor rep.

as for makes... 1.gea westfalia, 2. fullwood or delaval, 3. boumatic / gascoigne,

yes dairymaster have a large market share... in ireland... hell of a lot more cows going thru the top 3 manufacturers compared to them. huge irish success story to be fair but i cannot see the quality.

Fully agree with that john,I put 6 months of research into what parlour type I wanted service,build quality technology etc and would of came to same conclusion as that

Timmaay

alco16 wrote: »

mine is a brand new bulid price also includes feeders

What sort of feeders? Likes of cashmans workout about 900euro per point, so your figure without the feeders would be 3100/unit which isnt too bad. Is the vacuum pump and milk line spec'ed for a 20unit?

Milked out

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fully agree with that john,I put 6 months of research into what parlour type I wanted service,build quality technology etc and would of came to same conclusion as that

Where was the source of your research mahoney, is there much independant stuff out there or were you filtering out the sales talk as you went?

turbo anglia

Why not consider a robot ?..it seems to have a lot going for it.

mahoney_j

Milked out wrote: »

Where was the source of your research mahoney, is there much independant stuff out there or were you filtering out the sales talk as you went?

On line searches of all the manufacturers ,go milk in different parlours and see how they work,what cow flow is like ,is technology easy to use etc.you really can't beat going and actually milking in parlours,not much point in seeing it empty .talk to guys that own them and find out what they like/dislike and if they would do anything different .last point of call is the salesman as some of them can be pushy as deck with there flashy catalogues and sales pitches.

Milked out

turbo anglia wrote: »

Why not consider a robot ?..it seems to have a lot going for it.

It has been done a bit already here, it's an option however the flexibility it may offer in milking times or carrying out tasks associated with it is less than the flexibility a standard parlour would offer when it comes to growing the business or expanding numbers, also for similar money you could put in a 20 unit with similar bells and whistles

John_F

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fully agree with that john,I put 6 months of research into what parlour type I wanted service,build quality technology etc and would of came to same conclusion as that

that all? we done nearly 2 years lol have to sive through the sales bull and talk to farmers who have the equipment

Greengrass1

John_F wrote: »

that all? we done nearly 2 years lol have to sive through the sales bull and talk to farmers who have the equipment

Don't know if I would spend 2 yrs at it.
We knew what we wanted and are happy with the fullwood build and its price

mahoney_j

John_F wrote: »

that all? we done nearly 2 years lol have to sive through the sales bull and talk to farmers who have the equipment

I had a bit of good insider info on Gea gear,my brother emigrated to Australia 5 years ago to work for them and still those.his help was invaluable good freind of mine is also the local full wood guy around here and was most helpfull also dairymaster guy down the road ,bed called to me once,asked what I wanted and wrote me a quote on an envelope ,no follow up till he heard I had deal with Gea more or less done,even knocked several k off price,this really irritated me.miljed I. A few dairymaster parlours anyway and didn't like them

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Don't know if I would spend 2 yrs at it.
We knew what we wanted and are happy with the fullwood build and its price

I thought I knew what I wanted at start too and for a finish I ended up with something a long way off what I intended on getting.it was well worth the time though and end product is something both I and cows are very happy with .

John_F

dont want to start this into a dairymaster bashing thread but it came to my mind there.

this is a pic of a dairymaster claw.. look at the shells that hold the liners.... its a piece of stainless pipe with a blue plastic insert for the short pulse tube and the liner



cost cutting??
ok fullwood and GEA had something similar for a while with a clear insert to see if the liner was cracked but went away from it, the shell still had a nipple for the short pulse tube.

compare it to the shell GEA use with two back shells heavier than the front as cows have more milk in back quarters.

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

I thought I knew what I wanted at start too and for a finish I ended up with something a long way off what I intended on getting.it was well worth the time though and end product is something both I and cows are very happy with .

Ah ye but you were at a different time to me. You had all your other work like reseeding and slurry and accommodation all sorted I'm no were near that.
We've been talking here last few weeks and now were just thinking of bumping up parlour to 8 or ten units and put in feeders and when the time comes put in 20 units with all the extras

John_F

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Don't know if I would spend 2 yrs at it.
We knew what we wanted and are happy with the fullwood build and its price

heard grant was coming so that delayed it a good bit... i think it was brendan smith that first announced grants in 2011 that are now the TAMS scheme