RIFLE PROBLEM

ace86

deeksofdoom wrote: »

2 questions

What could you possibly be humanely dispatching with .22lr subsonics in a .22wmr?

How can a .22wmr be to powerful and cruel for humane dispatch? (depending on what your humanely dispatching)

.22 wmr has nearly twice the charge of a .22lr and i use it for dispatching mink mostly and I want to kill them not blow them apart,I have used the .22wmr and its very cruel up close to be honest regardless if fellows think its only .22.

ace86

Cass wrote: »

Joking, but seriously though. Too cruel, and too powerful. Why did you buy a magnum at all? Why not just have a .22lr? Also how are you getting .22lr ammo if your licensed on a .22wmr. If your dealer has recorded any sales of .22lr ammo to you, and PULSE shows you being licensed on a .22 wmr it can lead to trouble.

I'm not scare mongering here. It may never happen, but it's no different to me buying .220 swift ammo because my rimfire license says .220 on the back of it.

Lastly while the pressure will not cause a catastrophic failure it must be some pain in the ass to keep hand feeding the ammo. Not to mention your chamber must be in some state?

I always had a magnum it was my 1st .22 that i owned and I always liked them and when i got into trapping and things i used the ammo once on dispatching a mink and i said never again and i looked at lower charged ammo for dispatching but they were all the same league. A friend had a.22lr and he used subsonics on dispatching and they did the job so i got them myself and I was happy with them. I know guys are going to be on my case about how I got the subsonics,licencing, damage to rifle etc but look I feel they are sufficient for what I needed them for.

TriggerPL

I'm sorry but any one that puts 22lr in a 22Magnum and does not realise the potential danger is a f ing retard in my books . You wouldn put a 410 shell in a 12g and pull the trigger .

And how the hell is subsonic more humane that magnum bullets. . Dead is dead and subsonic have a tendency to not kill first shot so ur statement is stupid . Like Kim kardashin stupid . Couple with the face that u don't have a licence for a lr in the first place and still buying bullets for one .

Really begs the question should you even have a firearm !!

ace86

TriggerPL wrote: »

I'm sorry but any one that puts 22lr in a 22Magnum and does not realise the potential danger is a f ing retard in my books . You wouldn put a 410 shell in a 12g and pull the trigger .

And how the hell is subsonic more humane that magnum bullets. . Dead is dead and subsonic have a tendency to not kill first shot so ur statement is stupid . Like Kim kardashin stupid . Couple with the face that u don't have a licence for a lr in the first place and still buying bullets for one .

Really begs the question should you even have a firearm !!

well ur entitled to ur opinion but i wouldnt put 410 shell in a 12g shotgun bcos i know i would have problems im not that stupid man regardless if think what i do is wrong.

TriggerPL

Mate it not what I think ur doing is wrong ! It completely wrong for so many reasons , most is the sheer legal aspect of it and ur saying it on a public forum that believe it or not can be traced back to u .

And the potential danger of it . Ya wonder why guns licence are hard to get and why people are so set against guns .

Well it's because of stupid acts like this .

This thread really points out that gun education in this country is a joke .

Cass

Lads,

Keep it civil.

ace86

TriggerPL wrote: »

Mate it not what I think ur doing is wrong ! It completely wrong for so many reasons , most is the sheer legal aspect of it and ur saying it on a public forum that believe it or not can be traced back to u .

And the potential danger of it . Ya wonder why guns licence are hard to get and why people are so set against guns .

Well it's because of stupid acts like this .

This thread really points out that gun education in this country is a joke .

Yes i know what ur saying but just on the legal aspect of it but the law in this country is backward but for argument sake I have a licence for .22 but doesn't specific .22lr .22wmr,.22 hornet etc why can't I buy ammo for any .22 am I legally wrong? I'm not going to buy .22lr and .22wmr for hornet or swift guns, and what the guy has shown in the pictures here at start of thread normally happens were cases shatter or else they eject no problem and my argument there is no danger really but I know you will disagree with me along with many others.

Cass

ace86 wrote: »

Yes i know what ur saying but just on the legal aspect of it but the law in this country is backward but for argument sake I have a licence for .22 but doesn't specific .22lr .22wmr,.22 hornet etc why can't I buy ammo for any .22 am I legally wrong?

You cannot ignore the laws you don't like, and yes you are wrong.

What did you apply for when going for the license? A .22wmr or .22lr?

It's rhetorical. You applied for a .22wmr as that is what you have. So buying anything else is illegal and any dealer selling you ammo you don't have a license for is also illegal.

Just so you know because it is not the exact specifics on your license does not mean it is not on PULSE. As i said earlier int he thread by that reasoning i can buy .220 swift, .223, .204, .22wmr, etc because my license is .22 and they all fall into that family.


Serious lad stop while you're behind.

ace86

Cass wrote: »

You cannot ignore the laws you don't like, and yes you are wrong.

What did you apply for when going for the license? A .22wmr or .22lr?

It's rhetorical. You applied for a .22wmr as that is what you have. So buying anything else is illegal and any dealer selling you ammo you don't have a license for is also illegal.

Just so you know because it is not the exact specifics on your license does not mean it is not on PULSE. As i said earlier int he thread by that reasoning i can buy .220 swift, .223, .204, .22wmr, etc because my license is .22 and they all fall into that family.


Serious lad stop while you're behind.

I not ignoring I just asking really bcos thats all i ever got on my licences was just .220 after that no mention of lr wmr etc. always had a . 22wmr and will to be honest.

TriggerPL

First off. , I'm going to calmly point out that you do not have a licence for a .22 , u have a licence for a .22magnum , you can buy ammo for the gun that matches the serial number on ur licence , which is .22magnum .

Secondly because the difference in chamber lent ever time u fire a shot u cause chamber wear , which have the potential to leave the gun not functional or eventually clog up the chamber so the bullet won't exit , mix with back pressure although small from a sub sonic , mix with the potential weaking of the chamber from wear and tear can lead to major malfunction , potential unjury to ur self or others .

And that's just with sub sonic what happens when u decide to put a magnum bullet on and them it decides to malfunction .

Guns are designed to fire certain bullets , any misuse leads to potential danger .


Of course I'm open to correction

ace86

TriggerPL wrote: »

First off. , I'm going to calmly point out that you do not have a licence for a .22 , u have a licence for a .22magnum , you can buy ammo for the gun that matches the serial number on ur licence , which is .22magnum .

Secondly because the difference in chamber lent ever time u fire a shot u cause chamber wear , which have the potential to leave the gun not functional or eventually clog up the chamber so the bullet won't exit , mix with back pressure although small from a sub sonic , mix with the potential weaking of the chamber from wear and tear can lead to major malfunction , potential unjury to ur self or others .

And that's just with sub sonic what happens when u decide to put a magnum bullet on and them it decides to malfunction .

Guns are designed to fire certain bullets , any misuse leads to potential danger .


Of course I'm open to correction

Sound I do Understand what ur saying and thanks for your input I going to say no more on the subject now to be honest.

vixdname

TriggerPL wrote: »

First off. , I'm going to calmly point out that you do not have a licence for a .22 , u have a licence for a .22magnum , you can buy ammo for the gun that matches the serial number on ur licence , which is .22magnum .

Secondly because the difference in chamber lent ever time u fire a shot u cause chamber wear , which have the potential to leave the gun not functional or eventually clog up the chamber so the bullet won't exit , mix with back pressure although small from a sub sonic , mix with the potential weaking of the chamber from wear and tear can lead to major malfunction , potential unjury to ur self or others .

And that's just with sub sonic what happens when u decide to put a magnum bullet on and them it decides to malfunction .

Guns are designed to fire certain bullets , any misuse leads to potential danger .


Of course I'm open to correction

Well put, using any form of round not specifically designed for your gun is decidedly hazardous to say the least.


I hope the culprit takes heed, if not for his sake and safety, then for those around him when he fire that rifle

TriggerPL

Mate it may look like we're having a go at ya , but if anyone posted that they would get the same reply . So don't take offence to it , ur gun licence is a valuable thing , if you want a .22lr buy one u can pick them up for about 100 quid in some dealers . And do the thing right

deeksofdoom

Well as Trigger said 'dead is dead'.

Despite the legal aspects, its still dangerous to be firing into a mink trap like that there's a risk of ricochet.

I suggest you give up mink trapping until you find a method of dispatch which is 1. not so dangerous and 2. you can live with how you've dispatched it.

Nekarsulm

Well leaving aside all the legal aspects, I would like to congratulate the original poster. He has
got the rifle he wanted, in a great calibre, and when he gets a box of Magnum ammo and gives his gun a really good cleaning, he should have a great set up. How was the accuracy with the LR rounds, or had you got a chance to pattern them?

Actually, in response to an earlier poster, I don't think use of subsonics would ever be able to cause failure of the breach or chamber in a Magnum rifle.play hell with accuracy though.

And yeah, he got the advice he needed in jig time.

rsole1

deeksofdoom wrote: »

Well as Trigger said 'dead is dead'.

Despite the legal aspects, its still dangerous to be firing into a mink trap like that there's a risk of ricochet.

I suggest you give up mink trapping until you find a method of dispatch which is 1. not so dangerous and 2. you can live with how you've dispatched it.

I shoot magpies that I trap with them 22lr rat shot ammo. From a foot away dead is dead. Am I doing anything legally / morally wrong?

deeksofdoom

rsole1 wrote: »

I shoot magpies that I trap with them 22lr rat shot ammo. From a foot away dead is dead. Am I doing anything legally / morally wrong?

What do you want me to say?

No your not. I normally just wring their necks. Are you afraid you'll get pecked or something

extremetaz

Dian Cecht wrote: »

A friend of mine uses .22 shorts in his .22lr. Is this OK?

Didn't see this question addressed - the answer is that it can be. There are many older "22LR" that will also fire 22short and 22long. It'll be written on the barrel.

In the absense of it being specifically written on the barrel, then the chamber/chambering mechanism isn't designed for anything but 22LR.


As to blowing a mink apart being cruel - honestly, I don't think it gives a damn, so no, not cruel.

...seriously messy though I'll grant you.


*Edit: For example


My old Remi is designed to take all three.

deeksofdoom

extremetaz wrote: »

My old Remi is designed to take all three.

YOUR BREAKING THE LAW!!

You need three seperate licences for that!:P

€240 euro please ching, ching.
:D:D:D:D:D:D

Cass

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Actually, in response to an earlier poster, I don't think use of subsonics would ever be able to cause failure of the breach or chamber in a Magnum rifle.play hell with accuracy though.

Correct. As said above:

Cass wrote: »

Lastly while the pressure will not cause a catastrophic failure....................

So it won't cause a serious failure, but it's still bad practice.

extremetaz wrote: »

Didn't see this question addressed - the answer is that it can be. There are many older "22LR" that will also fire 22short and 22long. It'll be written on the barrel.

Better than my response:

Cass wrote: »

As for your mate. A similar situation as above, but not as severe. The dimensions of a short to a LR is almost identical bar the overall length (OAL). It's only about 4mm in the difference. However the case diameter, bullet, neck, base, etc. are all the same.

rsole1 wrote: »

I shoot magpies that I trap with them 22lr rat shot ammo. From a foot away dead is dead. Am I doing anything legally / morally wrong?

Not that i would say. Rat shot is .22lr ammo and if it kills, as the lads have said above, then it's done it's job.

TriggerPL

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Well leaving aside all the legal aspects, I would like to congratulate the original poster. He has
got the rifle he wanted, in a great calibre, and when he gets a box of Magnum ammo and gives his gun a really good cleaning, he should have a great set up. How was the accuracy with the LR rounds, or had you got a chance to pattern them?

Actually, in response to an earlier poster, I don't think use of subsonics would ever be able to cause failure of the breach or chamber in a Magnum rifle.play hell with accuracy though.

And yeah, he got the advice he needed in jig time.

No mate I wouldn worrie about subsonic so much causing major malfunction more the wear and tear in the chamber . Over a long period of time , damaging the chamber to the extent where when a magnum is chambered and the chamber is damage . Then u have a chance of major malfunction .

extremetaz

deeksofdoom wrote: »

YOUR BREAKING THE LAW!!

You need three seperate licences for that!:P

€240 euro please ching, ching.
:D:D:D:D:D:D

Sadly enough, in the letter of the law you're actually correct. :rolleyes:

At the very least it opens up the whole magazine capacity debacle - she's blocked to 10 rounds in 22LR, but that's still about 16 in shorts (not that I use them).

I've had that discussion with the FO and it's one of those inconvenient grey areas which, in typical Irish fashion, we simply deal with ostrich style.

Sparks

extremetaz wrote: »

Sadly enough, in the letter of the law you're actually correct. :rolleyes:

Er, no, he's not. That's one barrel, multiple round sizes, but with one serial number, and needs just the one licence. It's why a .38 special pistol only needs one licence even when it fires both .38 special and .357 magnum rounds (okay, and .38 special+P if you count that seperately).

It's when you have multiple calibres using multiple barrels (eg. the sako quad ) that things get hinky.

extremetaz

aha - cheers!

tac foley

Sparks wrote: »

Er, no, he's not. That's one barrel, multiple round sizes, but with one serial number, and needs just the one licence. It's why a .38 special pistol only needs one licence even when it fires both .38 special and .357 magnum rounds (okay, and .38 special+P if you count that seperately).

.

Sir - with respect, you are incorrect. A revolver that is chambered for the 1/10th inch longer .357Magnum cartridge IS capable of taking the shorter .38 Special cartridge, although over a period of time the gas erosion at the mouth of the case MAY lead to damage of the cylinder.

However, NO gun chambered for the .38 Special cartridge is safe to take the three times higher energy levels of the .357 Magnum cartridge even supposing that you could somehow force it into the shorter chamber.

That extra length is there precisely to prevent that happpening.

The metallurgy of the steel used to make the .357Magnum revolver in a different league to that of any .38 Special calibre handgun or rifle/carbine.

tac

Sparks

tac foley wrote: »

However, NO gun chambered for the .38 Special cartridge is safe to take the three times higher energy levels of the .357 Magnum cartridge even supposing that you could somehow force it into the shorter chamber.

True, I've gotten which one takes both confused. Important safety point that, unless you dislike your hands and want to get rid of them.

The legal point isn't affected though. Take a .223 rifle which is chambered both for .223 and 5.56 rounds if you want a better example, the legal point still applies there - the firearm is what gets the cert, not the ammunition, and the cert if filled out correctly should list both ammo types on it; but you still only need the one cert, not two.
(There's a wrinkle if you consider something like a 12-gauge shotgun, where you can go from unrestricted to restricted by changing the ammunition types, but that's a wrinkle that was added in fairly recently in the life of the Act).

tac foley

Same deal here in UK vis-á-vis shotguns.

Any kind of a shotgun that can shoot one to three shots - you need an ordinary shotgun certificate that anybody can have - providing they only shoot shotshells. One shotgun license = as many shotguns as you can afford or have room for in the house.

However, if you want a shotgun with more than three rounds CAPACITY in the magazine, or you want to shoot slugs [practical shotgunners shoot slugs], then you need a firearms certificate, called a Section 1 license, just like it was a rifled firearm.

tac

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