Season 4 Episode 5 "First of His Name": *HAVEN'T* Read The Books

Da Shins Kelly

Solid episode. Great to see the return of Sansa's mental aunt. Loved the scenes at her place. Interesting to hear a bit of background on her too and what she had to do with the happenings in King's Landing.

seligehgit

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Solid episode. Great to see the return of Sansa's mental aunt. Loved the scenes at her place. Interesting to hear a bit of background on her too and what she had to do with the happenings in King's Landing.

Yes very enjoyable episode.Quite obvious Petyr Baelish loves Sansa although she's promised to Lysa's as still breastfeeding son Robin!

LOL re Arya list of those to be put to the sword.

Daenarys is not as yet going to head for King's Landing.She can't even keep control of the cities that she has previously taken.Her forces are inadequate for an assault on King's Landing.

Cersei in spite of hatred of Margaery accepts the financial reality that she must accept a political alliance with the Tyrells,no more gold in the mines and heavy indebtness of the House of Lannister to the Iron Bank.

Stannis Baratheon and the Red Woman seem to have disappeared.

Strong ending,justice served at Craster's Keep with the slaughter of the mutineers.Nice to see the demise of Locke.

bmwguy

Its slow enough this season. Very enjoyable but I cant get used to this 1 hour a week! The hound was very funny. It looks like Dany won't be going anywhere soon. I thought the assault on kings landing was coming up but now looks like she is retracing her steps and has to free more slaves. She has boats though. Where are the dothraki? And the dragons? Good episode though. Feck this I'm off to read the books

krudler

bmwguy wrote: »

Its slow enough this season. Very enjoyable but I cant get used to this 1 hour a week! The hound was very funny. It looks like Dany won't be going anywhere soon. I thought the assault on kings landing was coming up but now looks like she is retracing her steps and has to free more slaves. She has boats though. Where are the dothraki? And the dragons? Good episode though. Feck this I'm off to read the books

She only had a handful of Dothraki left when she arrived in Qarth in season 2 and a lot of them were killed, the rest scattered when they were crossing the Red Waste as they wouldnt take orders from a woman or something, Jorah mentions it at some point back then.

bmwguy

krudler wrote: »

She only had a handful of Dothraki left when she arrived in Qarth in season 2 and a lot of them were killed, the rest scattered when they were crossing the Red Waste as they wouldnt take orders from a woman or something, Jorah mentions it at some point back then.

Yeah its the deserters I was thinking about. I'm sure they'll pop back in to it at some stage

Jesus that was a huge episode.

Everything that has happened since season 1 episode 1 is actually as a result of littlefinger. Can't believe it.

I also thought that the Lannister's seemed really vulnerable after this episode. What Tywin was saying about their debts and the mines is quite significant - especially considering it now appears that they were manipulated into the war just like the Starks.

Quite significant also that Dany isn't too pushed on Westeros anymore either.

Cersei's scenes were class too - actually being nice to people to ensure a guilty verdict for Tyrion.

I bet Shea is brought in during the trial by Cersei, no way she wouldn't use that.

Good episode, nice fight at the end. Jesus the week is going to be long!

fluke

Jon is becoming such a badass. Overall, this episode was a huge improvement from the last two episodes.

The Daenerys stuff was far more interesting than it has been. Nice to see it was a council meeting as opposed to the usual travelling bit.

oxygen

Bank holiday Mondays!! :D:D Game of Thrones in the morning!

That was a class episode, loved it. I was really glad to see them reach Crastor's place and take it just one episode later, I expected 4 weeks of a journey. I was really glad Jon and Bran managed to not die, I suppose thats the advantage of killing off main characters on a whim, no one is safe.

Jon and his dire wolf He sounded alot like Ned Stark for a bit there. What was that new theme that was played at the end, is it Jon Starks theme? I think they are giving the characters their own themes

Bacchus

Great episode. Straight off the bat, the show feels stronger without the Red Woman storyline. I'm sure it will go somewhere at some stage but this weeks episode confirmed for me that it is the weakest link.

The Arya & Hound stuff was great as usual. Interesting to see her "dance master" style of fighting challenged by the Hound. Good to see her developing her skilz. That had gone by the wayside for a while. I wonder how far away from the Aunt they are now? Will be fun to see the two Stark girls reunite.

I thought Danaery was finally gonna make a move on Westeros but it makes sense that all is not done and dusted in the East (or whatever that continent is called). I'm glad it's being addressed that rocking up to a city, sacking it and leaving is not "job done". It's quite clear she is already spreading herself thin. Where exactly is she gonna get more soldiers from too. Loyal ones at that.

Finally, the stuff north of the wall was the best. Hodor put to good use again I thought it odd Bran wasn't using his powers to try help themselves but it paid off in the end. Did not expect Locke to be taken out of the equation so quickly.

SeanJ09

Great episode. Shows how influential Littlefinger and Varys have been since season 1. Gutted Locke is dead though, didn't think he would go that easy. So where has Ramsey Snow/Bolton gone to? Thought he was going with Locke to find Bran and Rickon, or did he go the Iron Islands?

tricky D

Dany is realising the difference between conquering and ruling. A lot of others also realising some long term truths/matters in various story lines.

Glad the Crasters arc wasn't dragged out.

The Eyrie is some mad house.

Oh and Hodor; Hodor!

SureYWouldntYa

Brandon's stupid long hair is pissing me off a lot this season

GerB40

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Brandon's stupid long hair is pissing me off a lot this season

It's hard to get an appointment for a barber when you're on the run I suppose..

Brendan Filone

Cersei cock-blocking Margery like:

SureYWouldntYa

Brendan Filone wrote: »

Cersei cock-blocking Margery like:

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More like Cersei cock blocking Tommen, poor lad

Da Shins Kelly

Love that Arya's list is getting longer. Does anyone think that she's probably not going to make it to the aunt's place, that something's going to come in the way? I reckon herself and the Hound are going to run into trouble and Arya might end up somewhere else. Is the faceless assassin or whatever he's called still out there? Because doesn't he still owe Arya a killing? He might rear his head again, which could spell the end of the Hound.

I agree with someone above saying that Shae might reappear to be used in Tyrion's trial. Can't wait for the trial actually. Tyrion vs. Tywin is going to make for some great dialogue, I'm sure. It'll be great to see Peter Dinklage and Charles Dance in full flight opposite each other.

Just when I thought Danaerys was going to start making progress, we're now backtracking again.

Saganist

Excellent episode this week.

I wasn't a fan of the Bran story up until last week, great to see some story lines merge, with Jon Snow only feet away from Bran only for Bran to continue on his quest to find the three eyed raven.

Big shock that it was littlefinger behind the Jon Arayn killing. That Lysa Aaryn lady is crazy.

Can't wait to see how the whole Lannister debt to the Iron bank pans out. Seems like the Lannisters are living off the house name without any gold to back it up.

Also, Didn't Davos write a letter to the Iron Bank a few episodes ago in Stannis' name ? That storyline should be interesting.

HODOR.

Da Shins Kelly

Saganist wrote: »

Also, Didn't Davos write a letter to the Iron Bank a few episodes ago in Stannis' name ? That storyline should be interesting.

Is there a possibility that he may have told the Iron Bank that the Lannisters are effectively waging war with their money under false pretenses? That they have no rightful claim to the throne and yet are using all this money to try and keep themselves there. The Iron Bank may favour Stannis if they know that the throne is technically his.

oxygen

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Is there a possibility that he may have told the Iron Bank that the Lannisters are effectively waging war with their money under false pretenses? That they have no rightful claim to the throne and yet are using all this money to try and keep themselves there. The Iron Bank may favour Stannis if they know that the throne is technically his.

I thought it was just as basic as saying that if the iron bank side with Stannis he can repay the iron bank whatever goods the Lanisters have remaining after the war

Adamocovic

Good episode, getting confirmation that Littlefinger is behind nearly every sinister plot in the show. I can imagine a big storyline involving his future. Enjoying Arya and the Hound, Brienne and Pod seems like it could be good too. All these episodes seem to be building up to some big ones near the end of the season. Really want to see what happens with Walder Frey. Where is Brynden Tully? Surely well get something about that. Can't wait for next few episodes. Expecting a lot of plot lines to develop and of course a few main characters dying.

ceadaoin.

I actually felt a bit sorry for littlefinger when the crazy lady was basically forcing herself on him

SureYWouldntYa

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I actually felt a bit sorry for littlefinger when the crazy lady was basically forcing herself on him

She's only doing it because she knows he was in love with Caitlyn and obviously has some feelings for Sansa

Adamocovic

I can see Robin or Lysa falling out of the hole that he threw the bird down. I'm hoping I'm right!

naughto

Adamocovic wrote: »

I can see Robin or Lysa falling out of the hole that he threw the bird down. I'm hoping I'm right!

Both with a bit of luck and robin still on the tit

Adamocovic

naughto wrote: »

Both with a bit of luck and robin still on the tit

Hahaha with what we've seen so far it wouldn't surprise me

2ndcoming

That revelation that Littlefinger and Lysa were behind Jon Arryn's death was huge, one of the biggest reveals in the show so far.

Great episode. Some send off for Karl up in Craster's Keep. The sound effects!

Dan_Solo

Some good stuff:
Littlefinger/Sansa reveleations
Caster's Keep business

Some borefest:
King's Landing soap opera
Arya/Hound filler.
Brienne/yer man boredom
Dany - meh

Thankfully the crap segments were kept short except for the King's Landing waffle.

Kold

Fleabottom glug to the face. Calling it now; Jon's going down to hepatitis.

Also, I always thought Littlefinger was named because he was damaged goods downstairs. Guess that's not the case.

Rob094

Very good episode, such a great season so far.

Arya is probably my favourite character at the moment along with Jon Snow (who knows nothing) and Margaery Tyrell for her ability to play the game so well.

If any of those kick it I won't be best pleased.

Paddy Cow

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Love that Arya's list is getting longer. Does anyone think that she's probably not going to make it to the aunt's place, that something's going to come in the way? I reckon herself and the Hound are going to run into trouble and Arya might end up somewhere else. Is the faceless assassin or whatever he's called still out there? Because doesn't he still owe Arya a killing? He might rear his head again, which could spell the end of the Hound.

Jaqen doesn't owe her a kill. Arya asked him to help her escape and he said that would be more than one kill so Arya gave him his own name and told him to kill himself. To get her to take back the name, he helped her escape which was essentially the last name.

Paddy Cow

Kold wrote: »

Fleabottom glug to the face. Calling it now; Jon's going down to hepatitis.

Also, I always thought Littlefinger was named because he was damaged goods downstairs. Guess that's not the case.

Vary's is the one who is missing his meat and two veg. Peter is called Littlefinger because he is from the Fingers (a rocky penninsula) and Peter's father was Lord of the smallest of them. He hates being reminded that he was born into one of the lesser houses, as that was the reason he couldn't marry Catelyn Stark and a driving force behind his desire to become the most powerful man in Westeros.

Amirani

Decent episode. This is my first time not "bulk watching" a show in a long time. Tis tough.

dloob

Wasn't Mance Rayder supposed to signal the wildlings south of the wall to start their attack with a big fire?
Well now we have a big fire up there.

manster

What did Littlefinger say to his new wife about sending a letter to her sister Cat Stark regarding "the Lannisters being responsible..." Can someone give the context to this?

twinex

I believe the accent change from Mr Gillen was a reasoned decision by Littlefinger (in the show) as now he's back "home" he can relax as it were, whereas in King's Landing he was hob-nobbin with the nobs and had to put on a show for his fellow lords. AND, and I get the impression that he could be an end of game(!) level boss in the series. What a crafty and devious so and so he's turning out to be. The momentum is building.....

Da Shins Kelly

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Jaqen doesn't owe her a kill. Arya asked him to help her escape and he said that would be more than one kill so Arya gave him his own name and told him to kill himself. To get her to take back the name, he helped her escape which was essentially the last name.

I really should try and watch over some old episodes, if I get a chance. There are little bits and pieces I don't remember at all from previous seasons.

willmunny1990

manster wrote: »

What did Littlefinger say to his new wife about sending a letter to her sister Cat Stark regarding "the Lannisters being responsible..." Can someone give the context to this?

Was it to do with the letter Cat Stark got regarding the real parents of Cerseis children? the fact they were from an incestuous relationship?

Didn't that start the war really and cost Ned his head which fuked up the Starks.

Liam O

manster wrote: »

What did Littlefinger say to his new wife about sending a letter to her sister Cat Stark regarding "the Lannisters being responsible..." Can someone give the context to this?

Probably episode 1 of the show, I didn't really watch season 1 closely, Cat got a letter from Lysa saying that she thinks it was the Lannisters who killed Jon. Turns out it was her...

Nerdlingr

manster wrote: »

What did Littlefinger say to his new wife about sending a letter to her sister Cat Stark regarding "the Lannisters being responsible..." Can someone give the context to this?

In the very first episode of season 1, Lysa's husband John Arryn was hand to King Robert. He dies and Ned is invited to take his place. As Ned and Cat mull it over Cat receives a letter from her sister, Lysa, saying that she believes John Arryn was poisoned and murdered by the Lannisters. This sets in motion Ned going to Kings Landing and investigating the whole sorry affair, ultimately losing his head and kicking off the whole war in Westeros.
It now turns out Littlefinger plotted the whole thing. Got Lysa to kill her husband and write that letter to Cat!!!
Its a MAJOR development, along with his part in Joffrey's death, as it shows just how much of a devious and cunning bastard Littlefinger is!!!

Paddy Cow

dloob wrote: »

Wasn't Mance Rayder supposed to signal the wildlings south of the wall to start their attack with a big fire?
Well now we have a big fire up there.

That was when they had the warging eagle guy.

Crastor's keep is 60 miles from the wall (Jon said that in last weeks episode) and the wall is 700 feet high. No way is anyone south of the wall going to see that itsy bitsy fire.

Witcher

Paddy Cow wrote: »

That was when they had the warging eagle guy.

Crastor's keep is 60 miles from the wall (Jon said that in last weeks episode) and the wall is 700 feet high. No way is anyone south of the wall going to see that itsy bitsy fire.

The Thenns have a warg with an owl to replace Orell and his eagle.

wp_rathead

Fact wasn't the Lannisters that killed Robert The King's Hand is HUUUUUUUUGGGGEEEEEEE!!! Littlefinger was behind everything - fawwwkk

Nerdlingr

wprathead wrote: »

Fact wasn't the Lannisters that killed Robert The King's Hand is HUUUUUUUUGGGGEEEEEEE!!! Littlefinger was behind everything - fawwwkk

Its a HUGE plot development alright. Also, dont forget, as the previous Master of Coin he's the man who's bankrupt the Lannisters too. Another string to his bow.

Mickeroo

twinex wrote: »

I believe the accent change from Mr Gillen was a reasoned decision by Littlefinger (in the show) as now he's back "home" he can relax as it were, whereas in King's Landing he was hob-nobbin with the nobs and had to put on a show for his fellow lords. AND, and I get the impression that he could be an end of game(!) level boss in the series. What a crafty and devious so and so he's turning out to be. The momentum is building.....

That doesn't explain his accent being back to normal kings landing accent the last 2 episodes or the change last season or his shocking accent in Calvary. :pac:

lbj666

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Its a HUGE plot development alright. Also, dont forget, as the previous Master of Coin he's the man who's bankrupt the Lannisters too. Another string to his bow.

Yep its huge, he is so many more steps ahead of everyone else than i had thought.
In a lot of ways you could argue is the biggest episode of the season apart from the purple wedding, the Lannisters are more vulnerable than thought and could bring the Tyrells down with them who are bankrolling them. Stannis could be back in play by getting the banks involved.

squonk

I thought it was a slow enough episode overall. Aside from the revelations about Littlefinger and Lysa and the Lannisters' wealth, it tunred out quite disappointing. First off, Danny ahs to now backrack and properly hold her cities so it'll be lots more swanning around Esteros for the foreseeable future. Mind you, Jorah was right overall and she doesn't have the forces to take Westeros just yet. Bran/Rickon found Jon Snow but just hid. I was looking forward to them meeting up. Much of the rest was minor progression but nothing particularly exciting.

One thing that has struck me, and I'm not a book reader bar book 1 so far, but if I was a reader I think I'd be getting worried. I'm not spoilering anything at this point but I accidentally came upon a spoiler at one stage that Joffrey dies through drinking a poisoned goblet of wine. From what I gather, the book readers still don't know who the poisoner was but, like us for an episode or two, there was much speculation as many had motives. Now we know who was involved. I wonder if the revelations about Littlefinger's overall plan have been revealed in the books so far or are unique to the show?

golfball37

I didn’t enjoy it I have to say, seems to be really dragging and if there’s no episode 9 block buster like in previous years then I’ll be a little worried.

My major gripe- Jon suspected Bran might go to Crasters keep, did he not think to ask one of the women did you see any crippled boys make their way up here? It is his brother after all.
Did one of the many wives not think to tell any of the Nightswatch that there are 4 prisoners held up in the barn, they all saw them in the previous episode.
I just think that hole in the story was disappointing and poorly executed. I understand this is not in the books but it makes me worried if this is how the writers deviate from the source material as they are going to have to finish this series ahead of Martin.

The other bits were fine, not great. Felt like more of the same. I loved the one on one between Tywin and Cersei but Pod and Brienne was boring and Arya and the hound has been done to death at this stage.
Big reveal on Littlefinger which genuinely shocked me, I had forgotten how crazy Mrs Arryn was too. Wouldn’t surprise me if Robyn turns out to be Little Little Finger as she made reference to some night they spent together previously.

Overall- I hope it picks up pace a bit as there’s only so much tete a tete between characters that an action show can take before it gets stale, no matter how interesting the characters.

It’s still the best thing on TV by a mile though.

Dan_Solo

Not only does it make no sense to me that nobody told Jon about Bran and the others being at Caster's Keep, why exactly didn't he reveal himself to Jon? I know that "Night watch" dude just tried to kidnap him, but he'd trust Jon surely?
Hell, he might even convince Jon to join them!

Witcher

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Not only does it make no sense to me that nobody told Jon about Bran and the others being at Caster's Keep, why exactly didn't he reveal himself to Jon? I know that "Night watch" dude just tried to kidnap him, but he'd trust Jon surely?
Hell, he might even convince Jon to join them!

As Jon said himself in the last episode; he would have stopped them.

Gal44

aarrrggh can the starks ever catch a break! since season 1 there has been so many close meetings for some of the family to reunite!

Not a bad episode though i do have one question where has Gendry gone? Is he alive or dead? i remember Melisandre taking him last season but what happened to him after that? i dont want to google it and get a load of spoilers! Cheers!:D

Mickeroo

Gal44 wrote: »

Not a bad episode though i do have one question where has Gendry gone? Is he alive or dead? i remember Melisandre taking him last season but what happened to him after that? i dont want to google it and get a load of spoilers! Cheers!:D

Ser Davos freed him and gave him a boat.