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2014 Recruitment!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 thirdtime


    popolive wrote: »
    I saw a debate on another thread which was a few years old and people were taking the question seriously so I wanted to sort it out conclusively. Internationally agreed taxation treaties do govern how someone can be taxed especially if in the first year of employment someone spent more days in one country than another.




    Yes indeed, why need Police at all when there are fine upstanding people like yourself who are willing to enforce pre-judgements without a proper trial, without knowing anything about the individual concerned. I think Deloitte should be informed ASAP of your amazing skills so that they can scrap the existing programme and just put you in charge. Then we can reject all potential Police candidates who don't pass your stringent exam concerning international taxation treaties. Or just maybe your vision needs correction yourself. I won't judge you as harshly mate. Judging you is not my job.
    I hope for your own sake that this is a wind up. I have years of experience at trolling myself so to be honest I laughed before I wrote this. Thank you Sir for that. If people don't know something they ask. Simples.

    If you think you can pay Irish tax while doing a British police job quite frankly you're an idiot. the salary is taxed at source. I'm actually a qualified accountant if you which to clarify this.

    Yep, if you think you can be a 'tax tourist' while representing the PSNI you're an idiot, no knowledge of tax treaties is needed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭popolive


    thirdtime wrote: »
    If you think you can pay Irish tax while doing a British police job quite frankly you're an idiot. the salary is taxed at source.
    Yep, if you think you can be a 'tax tourist' while representing the PSNI you're an idiot, no knowledge of tax treaties is needed.

    The key word here is ''If'' such as ''If you assume somebody you do not know to be an idiot then I have bad news for you''

    I realize that there is a certain malaise going around which affects particular personality types who have been exposed to particular conditions. I feel at home all over Britain and Ireland. We are humans dealing with other humans so why are you so quick to write people off who you do not know ?


    Just for fun like...
    thirdtime wrote: »
    I'm actually a qualified accountant if you which to clarify this.

    Having low self esteem I like to brag about my achievements in the field of grammar. If accepted as a member of the grammar police I would use my discretion to let you off with a caution. You have enough problems as it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 thirdtime


    popolive wrote: »
    The key word here is ''If'' such as ''If you assume somebody you do not know to be an idiot then I have bad news for you''

    I realize that there is a certain malaise going around which affects particular personality types who have been exposed to particular conditions. I feel at home all over Britain and Ireland. We are humans dealing with other humans so why are you so quick to write people off who you do not know ?


    Just for fun like...



    Having low self esteem I like to brag about my achievements in the field of grammar. If accepted as a member of the grammar police I would use my discretion to let you off with a caution. You have enough problems as it is.

    You're a real nut job aren't you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭DesertCreat_15


    I don't think it's popolive who needs to consider a career in policing.

    I'd personally prefer to see this thread back on topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭MissWillow12


    So back to the 2014 recruitment then.......................... wonder what the website going to say tomorrow? Cant see there being any difference in the campaign process?!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 444 ✭✭Sthm


    I'm not so sure that they'll change the process at all. I reckon it'll just be smoother with regard to what ICT qualifications will be accepted. The 'Find Out More' section of their website has already been updated with the new familiarisation event schedule and it still mentions about the PCA being showcased at the events.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭sweet chuck


    Sthm wrote: »
    I'm not so sure that they'll change the process at all. I reckon it'll just be smoother with regard to what ICT qualifications will be accepted. The 'Find Out More' section of their website has already been updated with the new familiarisation event schedule and it still mentions about the PCA being showcased at the events.

    It makes sense they are showcasing the PCA as a lot of people were not prepared for it at all. It will give people who havent experienced it an idea of what to expect and what to train for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭MissWillow12


    Sthm wrote: »
    I'm not so sure that they'll change the process at all. I reckon it'll just be smoother with regard to what ICT qualifications will be accepted. The 'Find Out More' section of their website has already been updated with the new familiarisation event schedule and it still mentions about the PCA being showcased at the events.

    Just seen that they must have updated the website early this time. Yeah I agree with you about the IT qualification. They couldn't really change the process much anyway wouldn't be fair to those in the first campaign. Roll on 28th May.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭sweet chuck


    Just seen that they must have updated the website early this time. Yeah I agree with you about the IT qualification. They couldn't really change the process much anyway wouldn't be fair to those in the first campaign. Roll on 28th May.

    I just advise that everyone starts training now and keeps training. Will help you for PCA and if you get in to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 428 ✭✭19087


    Just seen this....


    Computer Literacy
    Applicants are required to have a level of Computer Literacy, in order to effectively perform their role as a police constable. As part of the continuous improvement process applied to the recruitment of police constables, it has been decided that candidates will not have to present a formal IT qualification in order to demonstrate this competence. The specific IT skills required in the role of a police constable will instead be tested at different stages of the recruitment process, including:

    At application stage through the use of an online application form;
    At assessment centre stage; and
    Through completion of online training courses in advance of entering the Police College.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭Homer01


    19087 wrote: »
    Just seen this....


    Computer Literacy
    Applicants are required to have a level of Computer Literacy, in order to effectively perform their role as a police constable. As part of the continuous improvement process applied to the recruitment of police constables, it has been decided that candidates will not have to present a formal IT qualification in order to demonstrate this competence. The specific IT skills required in the role of a police constable will instead be tested at different stages of the recruitment process, including:

    At application stage through the use of an online application form;
    At assessment centre stage; and
    Through completion of online training courses in advance of entering the Police College.

    In other words we fooked up so bad last time we'll just not bother lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 444 ✭✭Sthm


    Will be interesting to see how they're going to assess IT literacy at the AC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭MissWillow12


    Homer01 wrote: »
    In other words we fooked up so bad last time we'll just not bother lol

    Pretty much lol if you spent money getting one you would be fuming now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭.S.


    Hmm I'm curious about ways to assess IT too... I wouldn't thought after all the IT drama last time round they wouldn't just made their requirements clearer.. But. There was the opportunity to see the PCA course at recruitment events last year but there was no where near as many events and it prob wasn't as widely advertised (the role was but they didn't shout about the recruitment events much). As above, I imagine competition will be tough now people have learnt from the last one. Shall be interesting!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭oztop1234


    I went and got an IT qualification for this current campaign I'm in.

    Probably best thing for it that they test IT skills throughout the recruitment process after what happened in This campaign.

    Good luck everyone!!

    Hopefully those of us yet to hear get some word soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Choobs


    If they assess your IT competency to the standard of the previously required qualification it essentially will mean if you can send an email and use an internet browser you're sorted.

    I'll maybe be unpopular and say their initial requirements for IT qualifications were pretty clear to begin with last time in my opinion. The qualification in question was specified as having to be received after a registered exam. The problem arose when people searched online for the qualification and came upon companies offering to educate you to the required standard...but not mentioning they couldn't provide the official examination and certificate to go along with it.

    The real confusion then came about when Deloitte went back and forth on whether to boot people out for their lack of understanding of what they did wrong or whether to give applicants extra time to receive an official certificate. In all honesty I felt Deloitte did more than they had to allowing people extra time, if it were up to me I'd have taken it as a sign they weren't able to follow the finer details of instruction. Luckily it's not up to me though :)

    I may be proven wrong but I would imagine the number of applicants this year will be slightly lower than last time. There had been a recruitment break before last year's applications and so I would imagine this would contribute to more persons looking to join compared to when there is a recruitment drive every year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭sweet chuck


    Completely agree. It was very clear what was acceptable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 sgtsnowy


    Hello all
    Just new to the forum. I applied for the last campaign and missed out so was happy to see the recruitment to start again so soon. Was advised by a person who takes courses on the PSNI recruitment to join this forum because of the great community and advise. So good luck for this campaign!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Goonerdee


    sgtsnowy wrote: »
    Hello all
    Just new to the forum. I applied for the last campaign and missed out so was happy to see the recruitment to start again so soon. Was advised by a person who takes courses on the PSNI recruitment to join this forum because of the great community and advise. So good luck for this campaign!

    Welcome Sgtsnowy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭Homer01


    Sthm wrote: »
    Will be interesting to see how they're going to assess IT literacy at the AC.

    Maybe a huge multiplayer game of Call of Duty :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭Homer01


    I think asking for IT qualifications was always a bad idea. Given the speed at which IT moves.

    They accepted my GCSE Computer Studies from the 90's :eek:
    Useful at the time before mainstream internet, email and handheld devices. Now it bears little relevance to the needs of a PSNI constable in 2014.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 sgtsnowy


    Homer01 wrote: »
    I think asking for IT qualifications was always a bad idea. Given the speed at which IT moves.

    They accepted my GCSE Computer Studies from the 90's :eek:
    Useful at the time before mainstream internet, email and handheld devices. Now it bears little relevance to the needs of a PSNI constable in 2014.

    From things I've been hearing they will assess you during the assessment centre with IT skills it will be the most basic stuff. If you read about an IT course PRRT offer it says 4 things social media Internet emails word processing and power point. So I say there will be a test on that. But like anything it's just another way of withering away at the numbers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭Homer01


    Went to today's session.

    No PCA to trial but have a video on loop. Massive emphasis on PCA and importance of training.
    The IT bit will be assessed with the actual application (no paper option) and an element within AC. Basically if you use computers at all you'll be fine. Also of course the online learning.

    Someone earlier asked about skipping stages; NO. Don't matter where you were at you have to start from the beginning.

    No specific areas they are 'targeting' unlike last time; so basically all over.

    I found it very useful compared to the last one. Could be because it was a small group. If you can I'd recommend going to one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 mk1234


    Was there today myself, sickens me after wanting this for so long that people applying for this recruitment were asking questions such as what is g'ville and a fella asking about training to be part of the dog unit, asking if he had to train the dog himself and told the staff he wouldn't be too sure about being able to look after the dog outside working hours because he already has one!! Seriouslyyyy is this what im up against? The thought of people like this actually gaining a place in G'ville really makes my blood boil!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭oztop1234


    I love this!!

    Probably the same person who posts their application on facebook.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭Homer01


    mk1234 wrote: »
    Was there today myself, sickens me after wanting this for so long that people applying for this recruitment were asking questions such as what is g'ville and a fella asking about training to be part of the dog unit, asking if he had to train the dog himself and told the staff he wouldn't be too sure about being able to look after the dog outside working hours because he already has one!! Seriouslyyyy is this what im up against? The thought of people like this actually gaining a place in G'ville really makes my blood boil!

    lol. My session had a few questions like 'when can we drive the Landrovers?' and 'do we have to drive around in the cars?'. Also a lot of interest in dog handlers. They thought leave GV and be a dog handler :rolleyes:

    Scary stuff! :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Dekkers


    Homer01 wrote: »
    lol. My session had a few questions like 'when can we drive the Landrovers?' and 'do we have to drive around in the cars?'. Also a lot of interest in dog handlers. They thought leave GV and be a dog handler :rolleyes:

    Scary stuff! :eek:

    Lol I predict it'll be about 6 mins after they sit the IST that they'll start to think 'actually I don't care if I never see a doggy again in my life as long as I get in' although we're all guilty of getting ahead of ourselves. It's too easy done!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,812 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    Oh no you don't...

    This user is going on a 7-day holiday for the 3 posts you see below. I won't have anyone addressed like this by anyone. I don't do it, and I won't tolerate it from anyone either. These were fair questions and the personal digs/attacks were completely unwarranted.

    The user will also receive one infraction point on their profile for these 3 posts.

    Please do not reply to this advisory post, and do not reply to any of the posts made by "thirdtime" below, as they will not be able to see you answer, and will not be able to answer until next week.

    Let's get it back on-topic, please and thanks.

    -Shield

    thirdtime wrote: »
    You're a real nut job aren't you?
    thirdtime wrote: »
    If you think you can pay Irish tax while doing a British police job quite frankly you're an idiot. the salary is taxed at source. I'm actually a qualified accountant if you which to clarify this.

    Yep, if you think you can be a 'tax tourist' while representing the PSNI you're an idiot, no knowledge of tax treaties is needed.
    thirdtime wrote: »
    Yep the British govt are going allowing you work for them and pay Irish tax.
    The fact that you actually askedthis question shows you're lack of cop-on.
    For asking that question alone you really shouldn't be In a police force


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,812 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    Infracted for personal abuse.

    This infraction is for the quote below and this post.

    No matter how personal you feel the remarks are, don't feed the troll. In other words, don't reply with personal abuse because you too will get an infraction. Instead, use the 'Report Post' function and let the Mods take care of it.

    Please, no further comments on this advisory or this post as it has received moderation, and is now off limits as far as either replies or references to it.

    Thanks, and back on-topic please.

    -Shield.

    popolive wrote: »
    The key word here is ''If'' such as ''If you assume somebody you do not know to be an idiot then I have bad news for you''

    I realize that there is a certain malaise going around which affects particular personality types who have been exposed to particular conditions. I feel at home all over Britain and Ireland. We are humans dealing with other humans so why are you so quick to write people off who you do not know ?


    Just for fun like...



    Having low self esteem I like to brag about my achievements in the field of grammar. If accepted as a member of the grammar police I would use my discretion to let you off with a caution. You have enough problems as it is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭alwayshungry


    Sthm wrote: »
    I don't have a twitter account but I note someone else commented underneath it asking about numbers. I think 300 was quoted for 2015/16 as per the Chief Con letter as of recent?

    Without sounding naive, I'd view it as more a good thing. Possibly suggests not enough are left in the merit list from the Sept 2013 drive to make up the 100 + 378 appointees.

    Or, of course, it could mean that they're just starting their 2015/16 recruitment very early and it has no relation to how the current drive has went.

    Either way, I'll be putting in an application to cover all bases.

    727 people passed the assessment centre that applied for sept 2013 intake (so i was told) ....i was told there were 348 spaces available this intake so unless the guts of 360 people fail the physical, medical, drugs test, vetting or online learning or pull out for any reason there will be too many candidates as for places....

    also heard theres a massive clamp down on tattoos - anyone know any truth to this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭alwayshungry


    Rj408 wrote: »
    :D

    It should do the GCSE is higher than the EDCL you are required to have, and A levels are higher than GCSE. The questions is do the recruitment company formally recognize AS levels, which is essentially half an A level.

    [Edit - typo]

    it will an AS level is a stand alone qualification also and combined with an A2 it makes up one full a level


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭crinkley


    I remember reading on the recruitment thread last year a book someone recommended from amazon. Anyone know or got any suggestions, its for help in passing the intital tests. There are ones for the English police force, I assume the PSNI one will be of a similar make up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 sgtsnowy


    crinkley wrote: »
    I remember reading on the recruitment thread last year a book someone recommended from amazon. Anyone know or got any suggestions, its for help in passing the intital tests. There are ones for the English police force, I assume the PSNI one will be of a similar make up.

    There are a few good books not specific for policing but on general verbal reasoning and psychometric tests which are similar to what the ist is all about. But the actual police books are just about how to prepare for the tests and the role of a police officer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭CDizzle


    To pass the IST all you have to do is go over the practice papers that are sent out to you. For multiple choice questions if you don't see the answer straight away start ruling out answers you know are wrong to narrow it down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭crinkley


    CDizzle wrote: »
    To pass the IST all you have to do is go over the practice papers that are sent out to you. For multiple choice questions if you don't see the answer straight away start ruling out answers you know are wrong to narrow it down.

    Not overly worried about the verbal reasoning and numerical testing, done loads already for the civil service, more the mock interview, role playing etc


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭CDizzle


    i was the same about my assessment centre but coped with it pretty well apart from one section which massively affected my mark.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭Homer01


    Actually a bit nervous about the IST as it takes no prisoners and shows no mercy :(

    It has knocked out better folk than me. Just have to get in the right mindset.

    One trick for passing IST is circle all the correct answers in the time given ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Timetravel


    Homer01 wrote: »
    Actually a bit nervous about the IST as it takes no prisoners and shows no mercy :(

    It has knocked out better folk than me. Just have to get in the right mindset.

    One trick for passing IST is circle all the correct answers in the time given ;)

    Me too homer.. I missed IST pass score by 1 mark last time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 Elorfanato


    Rj408 wrote: »

    The questions is do the recruitment company formally recognize AS levels, which is essentially half an A level.

    I had a D in AS level ICT and they told me that counted as a pass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭alwayshungry


    Elorfanato wrote: »
    I had a D in AS level ICT and they told me that counted as a pass.

    Think they will.be wanting c and above


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 Elorfanato


    Think they will.be wanting c and above

    Well they accepted it in the previous campaign. This is all irrelevant anyway as there is no need to prove your ICT qualification in this campaign. It was announced yesterday that it would be tested throughout the process.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭sweet chuck


    In A level and AS level a D is a pass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭alwayshungry


    If they accept it then that's brilliant, just going on what I was told by others at 2013 campaign... I got my ecdl in three days and a few people at the AC were turned away... A know someone who forgot their ID and he was sent home.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 444 ✭✭Sthm


    'D' at AS or A2 is a pass, so it met the requirements in campaign 1. No one with an ICT pass at A level would have been turned away.

    It's irrelevant now anyway given there's no longer a need for an actual ICT qualification to apply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Dekkers



    also heard theres a massive clamp down on tattoos - anyone know any truth to this?

    Probably not true beyond what is outlined in their policy on tattoos.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Timetravel


    Edit: taken from psni website

    "A tattoo or tattoos, which would be visible when you are dressed in uniform (including short sleeve shirt order) and are considered to be:

    obscene; or
    sectarian; or
    offensive; or
    of disproportionate size in overall area; or
    likely to give rise to the impression that a member might not impartially discharge his/her duty."


    I think the disproportionate size one could catch a lot of people out (sleeve etc) but i would say very few people would have tattoos falling in the other categories really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭alwayshungry


    Timetravel wrote: »
    Edit: taken from psni website

    "A tattoo or tattoos, which would be visible when you are dressed in uniform (including short sleeve shirt order) and are considered to be:

    obscene; or
    sectarian; or
    offensive; or
    of disproportionate size in overall area; or
    likely to give rise to the impression that a member might not impartially discharge his/her duty."


    I think the disproportionate size one could catch a lot of people out (sleeve etc) but i would say very few people would have tattoos falling in the other categories really.

    I'm just a bit confused as I'm hearing different stuff from different people. Just wondered as a friend has a tattoo on upper arm that peeks through a short sleeve shirt and army accepted him but was told that psni might be more strict. It's just a tribal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭sweet chuck


    Boy at my PCA had a full sleeve. Id say it should be ok as long as its not obscene.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭alwayshungry


    Boy at my PCA had a full sleeve. Id say it should be ok as long as its not obscene.

    Have you guys had your medical yet? That's when it's checked if it falls into guidelines


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭sweet chuck


    Have you guys had your medical yet? That's when it's checked if it falls into guidelines

    I have mine next week. Ive a few, but none you can see in a t shirt and they are not obscene or anything (should be grand, hopefully)


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