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    #62
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    barman linen wrote: »
    The nature of my daughter's illness and the series of consultants we have been to see to discover the cause has been extensive.

    As each consultant has cleared her from their speciality they refer her to another consultant to check another avenue. I would expect no less.

    No other consultant ( 3 so far ) has charged more than 100 per consultation. This chap - last in the chain is 300. That is a rip off and I am only going to him because of the chain of tests that are all in her file. If this was a simple event I would not go near this chap.

    I am perfectly entitled to call this a rip off in the context of his peer group. As long as I can remember consultants never charged such fees and they are creeping in now.

    How many of you have paid in excess of 180 for a consultant lately ?

    I would regard some of the earlier tests as being of more sophistication than this final one and they charged a lot less.

    So - it is still a rip off.

    The logic escapes me, you were happy to pay for tests that didn't diagnose the problem, but you are going to refuse the tests with the new guy which don't diagnose the problem? This guy's an expert, the others (so far unable to treat) have said so. I seriously think you should discuss this with the mum, you don't seem capable of grasping the situation nor the implications for your daughter.


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    #63
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,938 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    barman linen wrote: »
    The nature of my daughter's illness and the series of consultants we have been to see to discover the cause has been extensive.

    As each consultant has cleared her from their speciality they refer her to another consultant to check another avenue. I would expect no less.

    No other consultant ( 3 so far ) has charged more than 100 per consultation. This chap - last in the chain is 300. That is a rip off and I am only going to him because of the chain of tests that are all in her file. If this was a simple event I would not go near this chap.

    I am perfectly entitled to call this a rip off in the context of his peer group. As long as I can remember consultants never charged such fees and they are creeping in now.

    How many of you have paid in excess of 180 for a consultant lately ?

    I would regard some of the earlier tests as being of more sophistication than this final one and they charged a lot less.

    So - it is still a rip off.

    Nobody is saying its not a rip-off - we're saying that you're just perpetuating the problem by whinging about it and not going elsewhere. It really does seem that you're sticking with this consultant to give you a justification to bitch.


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    #64
    barman linen
    Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭barman linen


    davo10 wrote: »
    I seriously think you should discuss this with the mum, you don't seem capable of grasping the situation nor the implications for your daughter.


    What if there is no Mum ? Your sexist comments are a disgrace.


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    #65
    barman linen
    Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭barman linen


    MYOB wrote: »
    Nobody is saying its not a rip-off - we're saying that you're just perpetuating the problem by whinging about it and not going elsewhere. It really does seem that you're sticking with this consultant to give you a justification to bitch.[/QUOTE


    No I am not....I am pointing out that he is out fo whack with his peer group and thought this forum was a location for highlighting what i see as a rip off.

    I have explained above the reason I ( saw ) him.

    To end the story with a twist - my daughter was given the all clear BUT he decided to 'screen' me due to the family history...and so the circle begins.


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    #66
    Oral Surgeon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


    barman linen wrote: »
    MYOB wrote: »
    Nobody is saying its not a rip-off - we're saying that you're just perpetuating the problem by whinging about it and not going elsewhere. It really does seem that you're sticking with this consultant to give you a justification to bitch.[/QUOTE


    No I am not....I am pointing out that he is out fo whack with his peer group and thought this forum was a location for highlighting what i see as a rip off.

    I have explained above the reason I ( saw ) him.

    To end the story with a twist - my daughter was given the all clear BUT he decided to 'screen' me due to the family history...and so the circle begins.

    Ah, I have diagnosed your problem; you have €300 in your account and it should not be there, it should be in the consultants account....

    What's he screening you for?? Being tight??


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    #67
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    barman linen wrote: »
    What if there is no Mum ? Your sexist comments are a disgrace.

    You posted on another thread that there is, she brought you to family court to get you to pay maintanence.

    You should not use posts from other forums to make your point, unless you are willing to allow your own posts to be used in reply.


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    #68
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,938 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    barman linen wrote: »

    No I am not....I am pointing out that he is out fo whack with his peer group and thought this forum was a location for highlighting what i see as a rip off.

    I have explained above the reason I ( saw ) him.

    So you willingly paid it, then. So why are you still bleating about it?


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    #69
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    barman linen wrote: »

    No I am not....I am pointing out that he is out fo whack with his peer group and thought this forum was a location for highlighting what i see as a rip off.

    .

    He is not required to be "in whack" with all others, if all had the same prices you would be accusing them of being a cartel. All shirts, cars, meals, drinks, rates are not the same price, why should consultants be?

    This is the rip off forum but posters don't usually whinge in advance of purchasing, and then purchase. It's like saying, "that's a rip off but it's worth it", there is a clear contradiction.


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    #70
    quadrifoglio verde
    Registered Users Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭quadrifoglio verde


    barman linen wrote: »

    No I am not....I am pointing out that he is out fo whack with his peer group and thought this forum was a location for highlighting what i see as a rip off.

    I have explained above the reason I ( saw ) him.

    To end the story with a twist - my daughter was given the all clear BUT he decided to 'screen' me due to the family history...and so the circle begins.


    And what happens if by screening you, he finds something that saves your life because it was found in time?

    How would you feel say in 2 years time, you were feeling weak, debilitated, susceptible to infection (i don't know what he's screening you for, but insert symptoms commonly associated with the disease) and you went to the doctor.
    Doctor refers you to tests etc and it comes back with bad news. Sorry barman linen, its too late. theres nothing that can be done for you now. Had it been found 2 years ago we could have treated with a 60% chance of success, but right now the best thing for you to do is go put your house in order.....youd be wishing you had that screen done 2 years earlier wouldn't you?

    While he is more expensive compared to the other consultants that you saw, he feels that his time and expertise is worth more money, as does the market. Maybe he is the top consultant in his field of specialisation in this country. Would it be right and just for him to get paid the same as the average person in his field of specialisation in this country?
    Of course it wouldn't.

    He has a professional rate, that his patients are willing to pay him to receive his treatment and expertise. If you weren't happy with his rate, there was nothing stopping you from going to another consultant who charged less, but hey, he may not have been as good.


    On a positive note, I'm glad that your daughter was given the all clear and i hope that you get the all clear as well.


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    #71
    Arbiter of Good Taste
    Registered Users Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    barman linen wrote: »
    What if there is no Mum ? Your sexist comments are a disgrace.

    You're really just looking for a reason to have an argument.


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    #72
    Arbiter of Good Taste
    Registered Users Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    barman linen wrote: »


    How many of you have paid in excess of 180 for a consultant lately ?.

    I have, and it was worth every penny IMO


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    #73
    barman linen
    Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭barman linen


    davo10 wrote: »
    You posted on another thread that there is, she brought you to family court to get you to pay maintanence.

    You should not use posts from other forums to make your point, unless you are willing to allow your own posts to be used in reply.


    How long ago was that post Dave....stop embarrassing yourself.


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    #74
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    barman linen wrote: »
    Dave,


    I see from 1487 posts you only started 2 threads - one about a golf club etiquette issue - ask your fellow members what is the reality. You may get bull**** but the kid in the emperor's new clothes saw through it. There is a moral in every story.


    I'm not embarrassed about you posting that your wife had to bring you to family court to get you to pay maintenance for your daughter, why would I be?.

    Incidentally the golf thread you referred to above which I started, was three years ago. You shouldn't have done that, I'm not sure what point you were trying to make by dragging up an old post from another thread, mine in response, was to make the point that for all your bluster, you just don't like paying. As they say on the law shows, you opened the door, others are allowed to walk through it.

    Resurrecting this thread does you no favours.


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    #75
    barman linen
    Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭barman linen


    davo10 wrote: »
    I'm not embarrassed about you posting that your wife had to bring you to family court to get you to pay maintenance for your daughter, why would I be?.

    More ignorance....I was paying very significant maintenance and I resisted paying more. The judge agreed and in fact reduced what I was paying. I like to pay what is due and no more.

    300 in a range of 100-180 is a rip off. Still.


    I see you have plenty of form defending medical consultants...maybe your foursome this weekend gave you some more gusto to wade in. Best of luck in your rounds this week.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056215505

    One of your quotes from that thread...

    I the last year my 6 year old son had to see an ENT consultant and my wife an Orthopeadic consultant, in both cases the private fee was €150.00 which i thought was reasonable but i do not live in Leinster


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    #76
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Often certain consultants, especially those in at the very top of their game, set fees in order to put off potential trouble makers and ejits, anyone that is going to argue over the consult fee (usually the cheapest thing the consultant does) is going to be breaking balls about tests and investigations, not allowing them to practice their craft properly and damaging their reputation. If this consultant runs that model then it looks to be working successfully.


    Those that offer a superior service can charge higher prices. If you see no benefit in the superiority of the service over the service of those that charge a more standard price, then its a waste of your time go to see this consultant, job done 300 euro saved.


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    #77
    barman linen
    Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭barman linen


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/irish-hospital-consultants-among-highest-paid-in-the-world-1.1850847


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    #78
    gugleguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭gugleguy


    Does quality of service from the HSE reflect this level of pay tho?:(:mad:


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