Homeland Season 4 *Spoilers*

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http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/04/04/homeland-south-africa-summer/


Homeland is moving its production to Cape Town in South Africa starting this summer.
“We knew going into season four that we would need to move the production overseas to tell the story of Carrie returning to the Middle East as chief of station,” showrunner Alex Gansa said in a statement. “We are thrilled to have found a new home in Cape Town and look forward to getting season four production off the ground.”
Filming will begin in June and continue into November. The fourth season will premiere sometime this fall.

expectationlost

WHY!

MagicMarker

We want Saul! We want Saul! We want Saul!

kneemos

So more of bat Shoite crazy Carrie as a central character doing her own thing!!

PASS.

don ramo

well carrie is gonna be a station chief, so its gonna be interesting to see how they get her back out in field, season 3 i thought while slow was a very good spy series season, seeing the pieces of the chess board being moved into place and all that, and now with brody finally out of the way the writers can simply move on,

i wonder if they'll write James Rebhorn death into the show, didn't he say hell take carries kid cause she didn't want to keep it,

expectationlost

Homeland?

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Laila Robins will be a series regular, playing Martha Boyd, the type A United States ambassador to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Corey Stoll will guest star as Sandy Bachman, the CIA chief of station in Pakistan and a rising star in the agency’s firmament Source

expectationlost

some comparisons being made of the returning soldier and homeland

don ramo

expectationlost wrote: »

some comparisons being made of the returning soldier and homeland

wonder if he'll run for election :D

mafaa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdjKC9ocxLY

vepyewwo

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s188/homeland/news/a585152/homeland-new-season-4-trailer-watch-claire-danes-fight-to-expose-the-truth.html#~oKpjsae5q52HJP

"The show's executive producer Alex Gansa recently described season four as a reboot following the departure of Damian Lewis."

This show is going to have to improve dramatically within the first couple of episodes or I'm giving up on it!

Falthyron

I think the show has passed its sell-by-date. I watched it for Damien Lewis and now that he's gone this really does look like a poor man's '24'.

honeybear

I'm looking forward to the next season. I thought that Brody was great (surprised he didn't get nominated for an Emmy, although he probably hadn't enough screen time this season) I LOVE Quinn so hope to see more of him this year...yummy!

vepyewwo

I thought Brody was a great character in the first season but I hated him in the second and third. Letting him survive after season 1 is the main reason the show went down hill so fast and putting him and Carrie into a romantic relationship was a big mistake. I too like Quinn and I hope they use him a lot more this year and develop his character a bit more.

My main hope is that Carrie is relatively stable this season and we get to see her be good at her job again. We've seen enough of Claire Danes crying.

I don't hold out much hope for this season but we'll see.

gg2

I don't think it will work without Brody... Will be interesting to see how they play this series out. As another poster said the first few eps will have to be exceptional to get me hooked again

Paully D

I thought the second half of series 3 salvaged the show somewhat and I will certainly give this a chance after almost giving up on it, but whenever I see anything to do with Homeland I think "imagine how highly rated and talked about this show would be if it had ended with Brody

blowing it all up

at the end of series 1."

It could have gone down as one of the best ever IMO.

Adamocovic

In my view the best character at the moment is Peter...god I would love if the show just followed him on his badassery tales of justice.

Carrie is getting a bit annoying at times and it might help the show get a clean slate if the focused on a new main character and story. Just my opinion though and I'm sure loads will disagree ha

don ramo

i dunno why anyone would compare this to 24, its nowhere near action packed, its a drama series about a spy, i honestly do think they planned to off brody at the end of season 1, but hesitated at the last second, which as i said at the time i dont blame them, lewis is a great actor and id want to keep him around too if i was in charge, but it ended up hindering the show more than anything,

season 3 was much improved on season 2, it was interesting watching saul and carrie influencing things, and manipulating people, making it feel more like the spy show it originally meant to be, they should follow covert affiars example and keep it 100% professional, forget family drama, office and international politics is a much better setting for shows like this,

PropJoe10

How this show hasnt been cancelled yet is a pure and absolute mystery to me.

don ramo

PropJoe10 wrote: »

How this show hasnt been cancelled yet is a pure and absolute mystery to me.

cause about 2 million people watched season 3, which was up 40% from the first season,

touts

I'm going to give it a chance. The first season was good but should have ended with Brody setting off the vest. Game of Thrones have never flinched from killing off key even main characters and is all the stronger for it. Homeland had a hugely popular award winning character and just couldn't bring themselves to finish him off. After that they were left with a set of characters that could have formed the core of a good spy series but had to deal with Brody and over two seasons it became more and more stupid. If this new season is really a reboot perhaps we will see a return to the good, gritty drama that should have been season 2. However I fear the Carrie character is now so fundamentally flawed and weak that the idea that she would be appointed section chief anywhere let alone the middle east will undermine the show. A series with Saul as section chief would be better but perhaps she will be pumped up with meds to keep her focused and he will be the puppet master from afar.

mafaa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPqEHRBEVr8

bnt

Last time we saw Carrie, she was eight months pregnant, and the idea was that she would take over as Station Chief in Turkey after maternity leave. I wonder what will happen to Carrie's baby? We know s/he won't be left behind with her father.

A CIA Station Chief isn't supposed to be visible at all, and usually has a separate diplomatic cover. A few years ago, the Station Chief in Islamabad had his cover blown by a court case, and had to leave the country immediately. So I think that Carrie maintaining her cover will be a problem this season ...

don ramo

bnt wrote: »

Last time we saw Carrie, she was eight months pregnant, and the idea was that she would take over as Station Chief in Turkey after maternity leave. I wonder what will happen to Carrie's baby? We know s/he won't be left behind with her father.

A CIA Station Chief isn't supposed to be visible at all, and usually has a separate diplomatic cover. A few years ago, the Station Chief in Islamabad had his cover blown by a court case, and had to leave the country immediately. So I think that Carrie maintaining her cover will be a problem this season ...

i assume her sister will take the child, and im assuming that theyll work James Rebhorns death into the show, which can be another issue for carrie to have to deal with,

im quiet looking forward to this season, i loved last season, it really turned into a brilliant spy show, and now with brody out of the picture a load of the angsty drama can leave with him, they have a big enough stage at their disposal, that the issues on the ground should easily fill up a season, no need for personal drama really,

the show has been getting some decent bashing over on the shows that dipped in quality thread, but bar the second half of season 2 and the first third of season 3, that show has been pretty solid overall, in my opinion anyway,

mafaa

Homeland Season 4 Gets Two-Hour Premiere

The first two episodes of Season 4 — which is being filmed entirely on location in South Africa, and finds Carrie Mathison assigned to one of the most volatile and dangerous CIA stations in the Middle East — will air back-to-back on Sunday, Oct. 5

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If you're inclined to wait, series 4 start Tuesday, 7th October at 9.30pm on RTÉ2.

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gg2

Saw the ad tonight on rte2... Looks pretty good. Seems like they have expanded on Quinns character. Can't wait to watch!

duridian

Was actually very pleasantly surprised by the Season 4 premiere.

lukin

Thought it was good. Standout moments for me was when the pilot who bombed the wedding confronted Carrie in the bar and when Quinn beat up those two guys. Also loved the part where Carrie went to Brody's old house with the baby (I thought for a moment Jess might make an appearance but sadly not )
I really miss Brody, he was a brilliant character. Interesting back story with the lad in the college, oh and Lockhart still a p###k.
I found it strangely upsetting to see Carrie's inability to bond with her daughter.
Edit; also the baby in the bathtub :eek: I had to fast forward through that to make sure she didn't go through with it.

Rosy Posy

I was inwardly cringing at the thought of Dana coming out of the gaff to start a troubled relationship with her half sister! The OH has given up on it but I have high hopes for this season since the two things that I hated about last season- the Dana drama and Brody and Carries relationship- are out of the picture.

I love Suraj Sharma's character and he's a great actor. I'm really hoping they don't get him to turn into a jihadist. Didn't really get what he was doing ditching those drugs at his girlfriend's (?) place.

I think that this season is really showing Carrie in a poor light, I'm beginning to agree with the pilot's assessment of her as a monster. The contrast between someone who can eat cake after dropping a bomb on a bunch of civilians, versus someone who thought that they should have dived into an angry mob with guns blazing to rescue one of their own shows the unequal value that she puts on human lives. The pains that she goes to to justify or downplay it show that she's lost some of her moral compass, and it's telling that Quinn has to call her out on it.

I also found the baby scenes quite disturbing. I have a child the same age and to behave that way to me is unthinkable (but then I wouldn't be rushing to drop bombs on people either). She is so selfish. Her poor sister. When she said she was tired and went to bed leaving her sister to hold the baby I wanted to smack her!

honeybear

lukin wrote: »

Thought it was good. Standout moments for me was when the pilot who bombed the wedding confronted Carrie in the bar and when Quinn beat up those two guys. Also loved the part where Carrie went to Brody's old house with the baby (I thought for a moment Jess might make an appearance but sadly not )
I really miss Brody, he was a brilliant character. Interesting back story with the lad in the college, oh and Lockhart still a p###k.
I found it strangely upsetting to see Carrie's inability to bond with her daughter.
Edit; also the baby in the bathtub :eek: I had to fast forward through that to make sure she didn't go through with it.

SPOILER ALERT

lukin

honeybear wrote: »

SPOILER ALERT

It says "spoiler" on the topic heading so I don't see the problem.

duridian

I wonder has the two hour premiere caught RTE by surprise?
The Saorview guide seems to indicate RTE are only showing an hour long programme tomorrow night. If that's the case they'll be over a week behind Showtime next week instead of less than 48 hours.

evilivor

duridian wrote: »

I wonder has the two hour premiere caught RTE by surprise?
The Saorview guide seems to indicate RTE are only showing an hour long programme tomorrow night. If that's the case they'll be over a week behind Showtime next week instead of less than 48 hours.

Channel 4 are also only showing episide one this week rather than the two episodes that aired last night.

Funnyonion79

Rosy Posy wrote: »

I was inwardly cringing at the thought of Dana coming out of the gaff to start a troubled relationship with her half sister! The OH has given up on it but I have high hopes for this season since the two things that I hated about last season- the Dana drama and Brody and Carries relationship- are out of the picture.

I love Suraj Sharma's character and he's a great actor. I'm really hoping they don't get him to turn into a jihadist. Didn't really get what he was doing ditching those drugs at his girlfriend's (?) place.

I think that this season is really showing Carrie in a poor light, I'm beginning to agree with the pilot's assessment of her as a monster. The contrast between someone who can eat cake after dropping a bomb on a bunch of civilians, versus someone who thought that they should have dived into an angry mob with guns blazing to rescue one of their own shows the unequal value that she puts on human lives. The pains that she goes to to justify or downplay it show that she's lost some of her moral compass, and it's telling that Quinn has to call her out on it.

I also found the baby scenes quite disturbing. I have a child the same age and to behave that way to me is unthinkable (but then I wouldn't be rushing to drop bombs on people either). She is so selfish. Her poor sister. When she said she was tired and went to bed leaving her sister to hold the baby I wanted to smack her!

Watching the scenes of Carrie with her baby, it would appear to me that Carrie is suffering from some form of postnatal psychosis - hence the scene in the bathtub and her inability and unwillingness to bond with her baby. Not surprising really considering all she has been through - the trauma of seeing Brodie hanged etc

I think Carrie, deep down feels as deeply as she always did when innocents die, but for her own mental health, she forces herself to push the thoughts away and attempts to justify the deaths. Her willingless to throw herself out of the car to help Sandy, was an instinct, completely impulsive and here I think we can see her true nature, whereas by the time she got back to the Embassy, she had thought it all through and justified what had happened in her own mind. She appears colder in this Season but I don't actually think that's the case.

dball

RTE has it billed as part 1 of 13 episodes

mikeyjames9

6.5/10

dreary plotline

so much more exciting when Brody returned as a terrorist

lukin

The baby in the bathtub scene is causing quite a lot of controversy. Showtime were reluctant to leave it in and I'm not surprised, it was quite harrowing to watch.
Carrie does seem "shut down" in this season; ignoring her baby, her indifference to the death of the station chief and the bombing of the wedding but as somebody has said already is probably a response to all she's been through and means she will have a meltdown later on at some stage when it all gets too much for her.

Backstreet Moyes

I nearly turned it off with the baby scene i mean it was horrifying why would they need to put that in. We get she has no interest in her child and she is mad in the head but that was disgraceful very surprised they aired it. I really see no reason why it needed to be done.

On the sister why would she put up with it ruining her marriage and her work. It would be tough but i would suggest giving her up for adoption to wake Carrie up.

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duridian

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For a guy who was introduced as some kinda American equivalent of a ninja assassin, Quinn is surprisingly turning out quite a sympathetic character.
I know it's early days but I think he is definitely now the show's male lead, so I guess they couldn't have both leads acting like stone cold aholes.

Alfred Borden

I wonder would they kill off Carrie? Looks like it could be the best way forward for the show. Transition in another female lead and take her out.

duridian

Raf32 wrote: »

I wonder would they kill off Carrie? Looks like it could be the best way forward for the show. Transition in another female lead and take her out.

Could happen alright in theory with events to date.
There may already be a target painted on her from either side. She has well and truly crunched on Lockhart's toes this week. Plus if the leaked info contained details as to who greenlighted the strike on the wedding she could also have jihadists after her by now.
Depends more on whether Claire Danes would be content to step aside.

lukin

Nuts102 wrote: »

I nearly turned it off with the baby scene i mean it was horrifying why would they need to put that in. We get she has no interest in her child and she is mad in the head but that was disgraceful very surprised they aired it. I really see no reason why it needed to be done.

For shock value I suppose. Viewers with young children will have found it difficult to watch I know but others will say it was brave to show it.

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Backstreet Moyes

Anybody think we will see Brody again. His execution was live but nothing surprises me with these shows.

duridian

Nuts102 wrote: »

Anybody think we will see Brody again. His execution was live but nothing surprises me with these shows.

Perhaps..... but if they do, it will feel more like a certain show starring Kevin Bacon than Homeland, tbh.

evil_seed

if we do see Brody it'll be in a flash back. It was a very ordinary show. I tried to stay concentrated on it but found myself getting distracted by my phone etc. Not a good sign when that starts happening to me

Backstreet Moyes

The show is lacking lead characters.

Carrie is a loose cannon and unstable.
Quinn is broken and lost.
Saul off in the private sector.
Lockhart looks like he will be shifted.

In the past Saul, Brody and to an extent Carrie were strong characters. Much live evil_seed i was browsing online at times through those episodes, the show doesn't seem to have any appealing characters anymore.

evilivor

duridian wrote: »

Perhaps..... but if they do, it will feel more like a certain show starring Kevin Bacon than Homeland, tbh.

Footloose?