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I dont watch any tv services in Ireland....
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Mr Pseudonym wrote: »So busy was I with making a compelling argument that I made that mistake! My bad!
and I thought we were agreeing and disagreeing
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I am sure it is not but I was just giving an example.
TV and Radio isn't just about News and Current Affairs.
I'm aware of that, and made reference to it in my initial post on this thread. But, whereas one can chose not to listen to Sunday Miscellany and thereby be unaffected by it, the quality of current affairs coverage has an indirect influence on everyone.I think RTÉ decided not to go for those rights, from my understanding of TG4's rights buying they buy what others have no interest in.
I wasn't aware of that. How much must it have been if TG4 could afford it? Surely, during this period of unprecedented success for Irish rugby clubs, they ought to have kept it?and I thought we were agreeing and disagreeing
I'm sorry, Elmo!0 -
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Because if we don't pay, we would only have the likes of TV3 in Ireland. That my friend is not a situation we want to find ourselves in....so why must i pay a licence fee?, i havent watched any Irish tv channel in years, nor any radio, i dont visit the website or use any streaming services that the national broadcaster has.
So why the hell am i billed 160 quid each year for something i NEVER use
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I am totally against the forthcoming "broadcasting charge", and i use the term loosely because lets call it what it really is: a new internet stealth tax.
As bad as the current system is whereby you must pay the fee even if your tv is broken the new tax is worse
No TV? you still pay
No radio? you still pay
No broadband? you still pay
No 3g/4g coverage? you still pay
No smartphones or tablets? you still pay
None of the above? YOU STILL PAY.
I object to the fact that i must pay for something that i'm not using right now....but might sometime use in the future should the mood take me/they decide to give me signal/broadband/etc etc
If I want something, then i'll pay for it. NOT BEFORE, and i currently do not want nor need any RTE services.
I already pay a tax on my broadband. it's called VAT.
Bringing in a broadcasting charge? then cut VAT from broadband bills/tv's/radios's/smartphones/tablets and computers. I refuse to pay twice.
The last time i caught RTE in my parents gaff, i saw the latest "TV licence" ad, and again I use the term loosely as there is not one single TV in it. phones, tablets and laptops alright.....but no TV's
It's subliminal messaging to prepare us for this new tax, so we wont complain too much when it arrives.
I want to opt out, not be forced to opt in.0 -
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120_Minutes wrote: »I am totally against the forthcoming "broadcasting charge", and i use the term loosely because lets call it what it really is: a new internet stealth tax.
As bad as the current system is whereby you must pay the fee even if your tv is broken the new tax is worse
No TV? you still pay
No radio? you still pay
No broadband? you still pay
No 3g/4g coverage? you still pay
No smartphones or tablets? you still pay
None of the above? YOU STILL PAY.
I object to the fact that i must pay for something that i'm not using right now....but might sometime use in the future should the mood take me/they decide to give me signal/broadband/etc etc
If I want something, then i'll pay for it. NOT BEFORE, and i currently do not want nor need any RTE services.
I already pay a tax on my broadband. it's called VAT.
Bringing in a broadcasting charge? then cut VAT from broadband bills/tv's/radios's/smartphones/tablets and computers. I refuse to pay twice.
The last time i caught RTE in my parents gaff, i saw the latest "TV licence" ad, and again I use the term loosely as there is not one single TV in it. phones, tablets and laptops alright.....but no TV's
It's subliminal messaging to prepare us for this new tax, so we wont complain too much when it arrives.
I want to opt out, not be forced to opt in.
What happens if "I unpower it". Is that not a valid choice too? :rolleyes:
Turns out in fact your TV will work even when you leave, you only have to keep it switched on.
Its ok you can get off your pedal bike. It's defunct.
I love how the future wa supposed all shiny and bright, and we''ll have more freedom with internet. so we can do all without all these charges. "No you'll have to pay" Tech should free us, not enslave us.
Oh nooooess I'll be out of the loop, whatever shall I do?
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120_Minutes wrote: »I am totally against the forthcoming "broadcasting charge", and i use the term loosely because lets call it what it really is: a new internet stealth tax.
As bad as the current system is whereby you must pay the fee even if your tv is broken the new tax is worse
No TV? you still pay
No radio? you still pay
No broadband? you still pay
No 3g/4g coverage? you still pay
No smartphones or tablets? you still pay
None of the above? YOU STILL PAY.
I object to the fact that i must pay for something that i'm not using right now....but might sometime use in the future should the mood take me/they decide to give me signal/broadband/etc etc
If I want something, then i'll pay for it. NOT BEFORE, and i currently do not want nor need any RTE services.
I already pay a tax on my broadband. it's called VAT.
Bringing in a broadcasting charge? then cut VAT from broadband bills/tv's/radios's/smartphones/tablets and computers. I refuse to pay twice.
The last time i caught RTE in my parents gaff, i saw the latest "TV licence" ad, and again I use the term loosely as there is not one single TV in it. phones, tablets and laptops alright.....but no TV's
It's subliminal messaging to prepare us for this new tax, so we wont complain too much when it arrives.
I want to opt out, not be forced to opt in.
They left out the part where most of them would be spending half the time buffering.0 -
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I don't understand why RTE (and licence payers) are responsible for orchestras.
They rarely appear on TV, and don't even contribute much to Lyric FM (which only a tiny number or people listen to).
They should be maintained from Arts Funding, or private donations.
RTE is not responsible; the orchestra funding comes directly from the License Fee intake120_Minutes wrote: »I am totally against the forthcoming "broadcasting charge", and i use the term loosely because lets call it what it really is: a new internet stealth tax.
As bad as the current system is whereby you must pay the fee even if your tv is broken the new tax is worse
No TV? you still pay
No radio? you still pay
No broadband? you still pay
No 3g/4g coverage? you still pay
No smartphones or tablets? you still pay
None of the above? YOU STILL PAY.
I object to the fact that i must pay for something that i'm not using right now....but might sometime use in the future should the mood take me/they decide to give me signal/broadband/etc etc
If I want something, then i'll pay for it. NOT BEFORE, and i currently do not want nor need any RTE services.
I already pay a tax on my broadband. it's called VAT.
Bringing in a broadcasting charge? then cut VAT from broadband bills/tv's/radios's/smartphones/tablets and computers. I refuse to pay twice.
The last time i caught RTE in my parents gaff, i saw the latest "TV licence" ad, and again I use the term loosely as there is not one single TV in it. phones, tablets and laptops alright.....but no TV's
It's subliminal messaging to prepare us for this new tax, so we wont complain too much when it arrives.
I want to opt out, not be forced to opt in.
First, as I said before, I think there ought to be a Public Service broadcaster supported either by government subvention or License Fee.
However, I can fully empathise how frustrating it must be for one who doesn't think there should be.
A few arguments in it's favour:
I don't drive, yet I'm required to contribute to the construction of roads through my taxes. There are three reasons why that is justified: it's highly possible that, at some point, I will start to drive; I directly benefit from there being roads when I get taxis or buses; and because I indirectly benefit from the economic benefits, etc, that having roads brings. Reasons 1 and 3 could also apply to the TV License. I believe it's very unlikely that, if RTE resembles it's present form in the future, you will not at some point begin to access their content more regularly. If that is correct, it's appropriate that you should be charged for the privilege of being able to make that choice. Regarding the third: as I said in an earlier post, you benefit indirectly because people around you benefit from the service: they're more informed, etc.
It is true that a commercial operator would likely take RTE's place, but there's no knowing what they would produce, and TV3 doesn't provide a comforting precedent. It's almost certainly the case that the misleading coverage of "Obamacare" by the likes of Fox News has had a detrimental effect on the political process. Such partisan coverage could be avoided here with strict regulation. But, it remains that there is no telling what guise the commercial operator would take. It should be noted that RTE television receives e110m from the License Fee and only e85m from "commercial activities", ie advertising revenue. That revenue should be seen in light of RTE's being the dominant television broadcaster in this country. So, it's not as if there is a huge amount of ad revenue that could sustain the industry. RTE's News and Current Affairs department accounts for the largest share of it's expenditure, and it's likely that any commercial operator would reduce that substantially.
Because we aren't levied individual taxes on public services, there isn't debate about whether we ought to pay for particular ones; we just accept either that we all benefit from a particular service, or that where we mightn't from one, we do from another. The License Fee could be incorporated in the tax system, and the services it funds paid for by government subvention, which I think we likely silence this debate. But, then it would be subject to political processes, which is undesirable.0 -
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