Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Francescoli · 09-04-2014 11:12PM

Hope Atletico win the CL now United are out.Really have enjoyed watching them this year in La Liga and the CL .Anyone but Chelsea.

Pighead · 09-04-2014 11:13PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Its just an excuse, in hope that kicking it down the road will result in everything magically coming good. But the reality is we'll get to Xmas and there'll be even more excuses. The prime one being "No one will come mid-season". But the hope is saying "Give him till Xmas" will result in not having to actually defend him and that others will say "fine, whatever" and give up the debate.

The reality is if the idea that Moyes isn't good enough over 12 months but might be over 18 is in your end, it means you're able to acknowledge he's failing so far. And time =/= automatic improvement. Why do people think 12 months with 2 windows has resulted in a really poor performance, but 18 months and a third window will turn everything round?

People think a third window will turn things around because most people are fairly confident that at least one world class midfielder is coming to Old Teafford this summer. Everything points to this window finally fixing what has been a glaring fault for three years now.

The_Kew_Tour · 09-04-2014 11:16PM

Pighead wrote: »

People think a third window will turn things around because most people are fairly confident that at least one world class midfielder is coming to Old Teafford this summer. Everything points to this window finally fixing what has been a glaring fault for three years now.

I hope you're right. Im not so confident I must say.

Mickalus · 09-04-2014 11:18PM

sigmundv wrote: »

I'm getting a bit annoyed with Moyes' use of the word 'try'. There is no need to say "we'll go out and try to win the match"; it's enough to say "we'll go out to win the match", because that's what all teams do. It's a minor thing, because it doesn't really matter what he says in the press as long as he says the right things to the players, but he is giving people more sticks than necessary to beat him with.

Needs a pep talk from Yoda

Pighead · 09-04-2014 11:19PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I hope you're right. Im not so confident I must say.

Not so confident a world class midfielder will come in or not too confident Moyes can turn it around?

irishfeen · 09-04-2014 11:21PM

Mickalus wrote: »

Needs a pep talk from Yoda

himself??

The_Kew_Tour · 09-04-2014 11:22PM

Pighead wrote: »

Not so confident a world class midfielder will come in or not too confident Moyes can turn it around?

WC midfielder will come in,. Moyes turning it around has me in the Glass half empty brigade too.

I'd be more then happy to get it wrong. I'd love see it turn around. But, I think Moyes is out of his depth

user2011 · 09-04-2014 11:23PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

If we give him even a day of next season, he will be there all year and the season will be a write off, sacked or not. No top manager will change clubs mid-season, so at best, he stays another season, at worst, we have a new manager in Giggs who has never managed before.

If the talk is to make a change, it needs, for the good of the club, to be sooner rather than later, so a new manager can come in, make the changes he wants and have the full season to actually prove himself, just like Moyes has had.

I totally agree with the sentiment, I hate saying this because it's been used so much in defense of Moyes but United aren't like any other club. I hoped that United would see that things have moved on from the philosophical POV because Moyes has Been so ****!ng sh!t and it's not what we/I expect from a United team no matter what the circumstances are. The 0-2 over turn has me accepting that Moyes will be here next season.

But we find ourselves in this situation I'm not not saying to stop saying what you are unhappy about just don't be going over the same things or over stating what things are.

Moyes crapping on the pitch

Lord TSC · 09-04-2014 11:24PM

Pighead wrote: »

People think a third window will turn things around because most people are fairly confident that at least one world class midfielder is coming to Old Teafford this summer. Everything points to this window finally fixing what has been a glaring fault for three years now.

Looked that way last summer too; spent ages sniffing round fabregas, tried to throw cash at khedira and others, and bought Fel, only to see very little return on the investment.

Then didn't see any signs of the problem being fixed at Xmas in window two.

That it will have taken him till the third window to fix this long term fault stands against him IMO....

Pighead · 09-04-2014 11:30PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Looked that way last summer too; spent ages sniffing round fabregas, tried to throw cash at khedira and others, and bought Fel, only to see very little return on the investment.

Then didn't see any signs of the problem being fixed at Xmas in window two.

That it will have taken him till the third window to fix this long term fault stands against him IMO....

Last summer was a disaster. No doubt about it. January window is notoriously hard to do business in. We got lucky that the cards fell in place for the Mata deal. I'd say he's had one and a half windows. There's no doubt in my mind that the mistakes of last summer won't be repeated. And this is why I look forward to the end of season transfer merry go round.

Rayne Wooney · 09-04-2014 11:34PM

I still think Fergie should have stuck around for this season and at least started another rebuild which he was exceptional at doing, he didn't owe it to the club after everything he did for it and he deserved to go out on a high, but I still think he should have.

Buying RVP was papering over the cracks really last season, the RTE lads said that, talking relatively now, the team Moyes left Martinez was better equipped for the job at hand than Fergie left for Moyes. There is some truth in that in fairness.

Do I think Moyes is the man to get us back winning leagues? I don't know, I think Moyes is well capable of building a team that can get top 4 consistently, but beyond that I really don't know until Moyes assembles his team and I see what sort of system he sees United playing in the future. Finishing 4th/3rd every season shouldn't ever be the long term expectations of United.

It will be very clear to me within the first couple of months of next season whether he is the man capable of challenging for league titles, because there is no excuses left after this summer, bad first season, 3 transfer windows and talk of a quarter of a billion pounds worth of players to fix it, that's it, do or die time.

John Cherry · 09-04-2014 11:36PM

Can I ask my fellow UTD fans who we think we are definitely gonna get and who we have a small chance of getting ??

jane82 · 09-04-2014 11:36PM

I think he can drop Evra and Vidic with the full support of the fans. He couldnt do that at the start of the season.
I think he can show the exciting movement that can happen up top without rvp standing around in the next few games. He couldnt have dropped rvp and kept the fans onside at the start of the season.
He can phase out carrick, fletcher, when the right replacement is available.
Cleverly will probably hang around the fringe of the squad forever. Fellaini has proved so far in his career he can do a job. I think he will come good.
I think top 4 next year then a good solid top class team the year later.
Things are starting to click better the last few weeks. Im more confident now than Ive been all season.

John Cherry · 09-04-2014 11:38PM

jane82 wrote: »

I think he can drop Evra and Vidic with the full support of the fans. He couldnt do that at the start of the season.
I think he can show the exciting movement that can happen up top without rvp standing around in the next few games. He couldnt have dropped rvp and kept the fans onside at the start of the season.
He can phase out carrick, fletcher, when the right replacement is available.
Cleverly will probably hang around the fringe of the squad forever. Fellaini has proved so far in his career he can do a job. I think he will come good.
I think top 4 next year then a good solid top class team the year later.
Things are starting to click better the last few weeks. Im more confident now than Ive been all season.

Stop with your optimise,it's starting to work on me

Francescoli · 09-04-2014 11:46PM

two cm's and a left back are the minimum needed in the summer window.Also could do with a CB and a winger.If there are 2 cm's and LB bought Moyes can have no excuses and will need to show improvement all round from tactics,formation and style of play.I have no doubt that United's squad is capable of getting top 4 and this hopefully is only a blip.Bigger question is will Moyes be able to turn things around ,I'm not sure he is.

xtal191 · 09-04-2014 11:46PM

I have a feeling he'll get sacked if Everton do to us what they did to Arsenal.

John Cherry · 09-04-2014 11:49PM

xtal191 wrote: »

I have a feeling he'll get sacked if Everton do to us what they did to Arsenal.

Not a chance he is hear to stay until the end of next season.

Bloody depressing I know.

keane2097 · 09-04-2014 11:49PM

Liam O wrote: »

Januzaj needs to develop a whole lot more to be a part of a title winning team. He's only had 3 or 4 good games this season and everyone seems to be avoiding any criticism of him. Some good attributes but not much more at this stage imo. The experience may be good for him though or the pressure to perform might sink him which is why I think getting him out of the limelight as much for a season could be good.

This is obviously correct.

People were saying earlier this season Januzaj was better this year than Messi and Ronaldo at 18 FFS. In reality he hasn't done as much this season as Raheem Sterling did last season before being taken out of the action by Rodgers, and will be doing very well to have as good a second season as Sterling next year.

Matagawa and Rooney is three quarters of a potentially exceptional front four but Januzaj is literally nowhere near the level where people should want him as the fourth.

The_Kew_Tour · 09-04-2014 11:51PM

Remember people saying Welbeck is young at 23.

Januzaj is 18. Still a kid.

Give him a chance.

bassy · 09-04-2014 11:51PM

Francescoli wrote: »

Hope Atletico win the CL now United are out.Really have enjoyed watching them this year in La Liga and the CL .Anyone but Chelsea.

Jose mourhino Jose mouhwinner

user2011 · 10-04-2014 12:03AM

keane2097 wrote: »

This is obviously correct.

People were saying earlier this season Januzaj was better this year than Messi and Ronaldo at 18 FFS. In reality he hasn't done as much this season as Raheem Sterling did last season before being taken out of the action by Rodgers, and will be doing very well to have as good a second season as Sterling next year.

Matagawa and Rooney is three quarters of a potentially exceptional front four but Januzaj is literally nowhere near the level where people should want him as the fourth.

I think that's why most fans wound want Val/Young moved on before next season.

I wouldn't be in the better then Messi crowd but he has shown a lot more then Val/Young to be a cert to be back up to what we have at this moment. Everything falls back on the lack of options in midfield for covering the creative players at our disposal.

Like the Moyes should be given time argument why are Val/Young being given even more time to prove their limitations in a United team. Val for all his effort tonight he got in good positions he failed so bad. One time he could of played an easy pass into Rooney in the center and just did nothing with the situation he found himself in.

Cantona's Collars · 10-04-2014 12:08AM

Mutterings already doing the rounds tonight within the media that Moyes is a gonner at the end of the season.

Talks out of Spain are that it's a done deal that Zidane will be the manager at Real next season,could be the scenario that I mentioned last week of Moyes out & Ancellotti in at OT.

John Cherry · 10-04-2014 12:08AM

zerks wrote: »

Mutterings already doing the rounds tonight within the media that Moyes is a gonner at the end of the season.

Talks out of Spain are that it's a done deal that Zidane will be the manager at Real next season,could be the scenario that I mentioned last week of Moyes out & Ancellotti in at OT.

Any links ?

jane82 · 10-04-2014 12:10AM

Valencia is a very important player in big games. He was excellent tonight. I dont get all the hatred. Hes a bit one footed yes but his other qualities make up for keeping him around. I doubt hes on huge money and was a large part of the reason Jones looked so good at right full.
Hes not messi but he has his uses and is worth the money hes paid. Young on the other hand has had enough time and hasnt shown anything.

user2011 · 10-04-2014 12:10AM

John Cherry wrote: »

Not a chance he is hear to stay until the end of next season.

Bloody depressing I know.

Depending on how things are going he is here until Xmas time, if he given anymore time beyond that we as a club are f**king nuts to think of ourselves beyond anyone else.

This is how serious I think things are, we could become the next Arsenal with just accepting 4th from the owners POV, raking in the cash till their hearts content and why the fans should be more supportive of how the way things they feel should be.

Ulysses Gaze · 10-04-2014 12:12AM

zerks wrote: »

Mutterings already doing the rounds tonight within the media that Moyes is a gonner at the end of the season.

Talks out of Spain are that it's a done deal that Zidane will be the manager at Real next season,could be the scenario that I mentioned last week of Moyes out & Ancellotti in at OT.

If that did come to pass, Ancelotti would be an excellent choice of manager.

Cantona's Collars · 10-04-2014 12:15AM

John Cherry wrote: »

Any links ?

Was listening to one being interviewed on Newstalk after the game earlier,missed his name.He was echoing a lot of what's been said by fans,eg. why a half fit Rooney was moved into midfield & Fletcher was taken off when we needed somebody to batten down the hatches against the tide of Bayern's attacks.

jane82 · 10-04-2014 12:15AM

Ancelloti could come in spunk a fortune and head off in two years. Then Mourrihno could come in spunk a fortune and head off in two years. Then Pep could come in spunka fortune and head off in two years. Then we have to give Moyes the job back because there isnt any money to get another short timer in that wants s new squad everywhere he shows up.

kippy · 10-04-2014 12:18AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If that did come to pass, Ancelotti would be an excellent choice of manager.

Why so?

Personally I think he's not all he's made out to be and he wouldn't last more than a couple of years at the club.

mufcboy1999 · 10-04-2014 12:21AM

We saw the pretty and ugly sides of Evras game within a few seconds of one another, excellent going forward and terrible defending.

He was at fault for all 3 goals even with smalling at the back who by the way played very well I just knew evra would be our downfall.

Buttner done no wrong in the first leg and lastly I agree moyes had no option but to start Rooney it was a catch 22 but when he's playing that bad at least have the balls to take him off because he clearly wasn't right.

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