Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Headshot

Timmyctc wrote: »

The only thing you can blame Fergie for is choosing Moyes. This decline is the fault of one man's inability to manage a Premier League winning side.

Thank you.

Its just so stupid at this stage to blame Fergie for anything regarding the team. Yes the team itself isnt the best but bloody hell we are miles better than our current position. No way should we be outside the top 4 with this team.

FutureGuy

No shock with the result. Mata was very poor.

We are playing like a team of strangers who aren't sure what the other are going to so when they are attacking.

Yaya is such a beast.

On to Villa.

spiralism

dahat wrote: »

This is soul destroying, really how long can he be left there?

5 more years according to Bobby Charlton. Jesus wept.

dahat

Did Schokes just tell Rio to retire? Only half heard it.

Inspector Coptoor

I agree Moyes should be given the chop,

Just because a player won an award or two a FEW years ago, and had since played as if he belonged in Division 2, does not mean he's still at the required standard now.

Lovely Bloke

Headshot wrote: »

Thank you.

Its just so stupid at this stage to blame Fergie for anything regarding the team. Yes the team itself isnt the best but bloody hell we are miles better than our current position. No way should we be outside the top 4 with this team.

so, after 30 games, United are in a "false position" - pull the other one ffs.

Ernest Oreo

dahat wrote: »

Did Schokes just tell Rio to retire? Only half heard it.

no

Mitch Connor

michael999999 wrote: »

Why would he.

Fergie offered him a six year contract. He's entitled to he's money.

If the club want rid they'll have to pay him off!

Club shouldn't have offered him such a massive contract.

Do you want me to write the same fecking sentence again?

He shoudl resign because he is not capable of the job at hand and if he had any respect for the fans he would resign.

Staying in the job just cause of the money does not show respect for the fans or club - just shows him to be another parasite that football harbours so well.

Lord TSC

Headshot wrote: »

Thank you.

Its just so stupid at this stage to blame Fergie for anything regarding the team. Yes the team itself isnt the best but bloody hell we are miles better than our current position. No way should we be outside the top 4 with this team.

What gets me is he way people will blame Fergie for the layers he chose but then defend Moyes by trotting out the "stand by him" line. Both sides of the argument played at once...

spiralism

keeponhurling wrote: »

Given that the team will be battered by Munich anyways, might as well leave Moyes there for it.
Leave the new man untarnished from any severe thrashings.

But I'd assume the manager search will be intensified from tomorrow. Van Gaal may be on he way in summer.
I'd say they'll go with a safe pair of hands this time.

Frank de Boer would be a younger option, but not a good choice for United

Care to elaborate?

Hank Scorpio

Scholes very honest there in his analysis, hasn't defended Moyes either or the players

Mitch Connor

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

so, after 30 games, United are in a "false position" - pull the other one ffs.

With Mourinho in charge we'd be furthe rup the table - Moyes is the biggest reason for the 'performances' this season.

n32

I was at the 6-1 and stayed till the end. Even though we lost by 5 goals that day, the gulf was nowhere as bad as it was tonight. When Fletcher scored to make it 1-3 with 15 minutes to go that day, we were giving it a lash with 10 men and were competitive but just got picked off with 3 goals when we were going for it. Tonight we didnt even have a go which is the most disappointing thing.

BMMachine

so much work to be done

lacking any sort of quality when it matters. you were getting closed down far too often and you cant seem to make space for yourselves. Theres 6/7 players there that need to be replaced imo. new fullbacks and new midfielders are needed so badly. a new centre back wouldnt go astray either, that said, i do think Jones and Evans could be great together.

you guys right now remind me far too much of Hodgson and Liverpool when they were together. big bumbling errors, horrendous communication on the pitch and a really obvious playstyle. the amount of interceptions by liverpool & city these past weeks leaves you wondering how in the game some of the players are. like are they giving up or just getting no motivation? and the unforced errors... good lord. it was the same at liverpool, just nothing was going right and it just seemed to go from bad to worse.

I think it would be best to swallow the pride and let moyes go. its a bitter pill, it means that fergies last big decision was wrong, but the club clearly isnt working as is and will need to change far faster than moyes can do it. you have a great business end, theres amazing foundations there and is rightfully one of the most respected clubs on the planet so I'm wouldnt be too worried about the future. you've been shocking this season and theres no signs saying this will change.

Sheepy99

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

City never left first gear.

Bayern's first gear will be way better, and I don't think they will be so lazy either...

Hardly, City are on at least a par attacking-wise as scoring records for this season and champions league will show, especially when factoring in how muck the Bundesliga is, Bayern just have the far more solid defence.

Headshot

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

so, after 30 games, United are in a "false position" - pull the other one ffs.

Yap.

A top quality manager like Jose would have us in the top 4. He would have gotten the tactics right and would bought the correct players in summer and winter transfer window

spiralism

Lads, could yee imagine if our manager next year ended up being Arsene Wenger?

J. Marston

n32 wrote: »

some of the nonsense posted in here by opposition fans is cringeworthy.

Could be worse, they could be in here saying thanks if we had won or drawn.

Take solace that our shítness has somewhat annoyed them.

Who's laughing now?!










Not me .

Deiseboy01

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

bollox, Fergie had a part to play for his abject negligence.

Bollox. Fergie walked the league last season. Had Fergie spent that 60 odd million this team would be top of the league.

keeponhurling

spiralism wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

de Boer has only been in charge of Ajax, Man United is a much bigger club.

United need somebody who has won stuff and they know can manage huge clubs.

The Moyes gamble didn't pay off, de Boer would be another one.

So I think Van Gaal is an obvous choice, even if he is only a 2-3 year solution, he'd get the back in Champions League

adox

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

so, after 30 games, United are in a "false position" - pull the other one ffs.

You don't think Utd are in a false position now? Are you for ****ing real?

thegreengoblin

Maximum possible points 72. Previous lowest 75.

Worst ever Premier League points total is now guaranteed.

Cheers Dave. Now, **** off.

I am pie

Players who are well below the Top 4 standard, to me look like mid table players flattered by their team mates last year.

Cleverly
Rio (injury, form or age..he is gone)
Carrick
Wellbeck
Valencia
Young
Vidic (hero to zero, shown up for pace or at least his concentration is shot)
Fellaini

Thats a sizeable portion of your back 4 and mf which at this stage, for different reasons (no one would argue that at one stage vidic and rio were not one of the best in the league) are way below the standard required. Rooney is problematic for me too, not for his form but for the enormous paycheck which makes him now almost undroppable for a few years. He needs motivation and he cannot have the free reign to play where ever he wants. Very talented player, but very tactically naive, tries to get involved in everything and sometimes pulls the shape of the team apart. Needs a serious coach, suffice to say, it aint you Dave.

Top sides are blowing through the midfield untouched, Fellaini has fallen apart under the pressure and doesnt offer the bite he was supposed too. No pace in that midfield at all.

Questions must be asked as to why Ferguson allowed the spine of the team to age into ineffectiveness without replacing them. Rio, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs. They were the backbone, Scholes and Giggs in particular have glaringly not been replaced. At the back Jones and Evans are not there yet, if indeed they ever will be. RVP has another 2 or so yrs at peak, after that you'll need big money spending up front too.

Would Barca sit and watch Messi, Iniesta and Xavi hit near 40 and retire without replacements? No hope. It's almost bizarre that Fergie didnt sort it, it was coming for years.

Serious overhaul needed, the engine is shot and Utd are limping home. Its gonna be Dunkirk stuff against Bayern next week. Frightening.

jonnyfingers

I'm very worried at the moment about what will happen if we keep Moyes beyond the end of the season. Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra and Giggs will be gone and Van Persie will be on the wind down I think.

However I can also see Moyes getting rid of Kagawa, Nani, Hernandez and Rafael while keeping the likes of Valencia and Young. This will do so much harm to the team and they're all players who could flourish under another manager.

So I can really see a situation where keeping Moyes will set us back for years to come. I'll admit I was willing to give him time at the start of the season but he has shown absolutely nothing to deserve to stay beyond this embarrassment of a season. Tactically he hasn't a clue, he has underperformed in two transfer windows and every aspect of the team from playing style and work rate to attitude to fighting spirit has regressed.

I feel really bad for him as I think he's a good man and this was always going to be a tough job but he has failed so far and another two or three seasons won't lead to anything other than a small improvement on this years performance, which will actually be a big regression on the last 20 years' performances.

So I hope the club can see the long term damage that will be done if we don't cut our losses now. I really hate to say it but the manager needs to go.

_Kaiser_

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Do you want me to write the same fecking sentence again?

He shoudl resign because he is not capable of the job at hand and if he had any respect for the fans he would resign.

Staying in the job just cause of the money does not show respect for the fans or club - just shows him to be another parasite that football harbours so well.

Hmm.. Reminds me of another manager closer to home that we finally got rid of..

The longer Moyes stays, the more damage he'll do and the longer it'll take to recover

He's a decent guy but he's just out of his depth. Giving him a few hindered mil to squander would be madness.

Utd need to clear out the dressing room yes but he's not the man to do it. Ye deserve better than that.

(said as a Pool fan)

Kylo Ren

Daniel Taylor ‏@DTguardian 4m
First time #MUFC have lost six in league at home since 1978. Worst-ever PL points tally guaranteed. This mess won't be fixed quickly

spiralism

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Bollox. Fergie walked the league last season. Had Fergie spent that 60 odd million this team would be top of the league.

Agreed. If anyone on this forum went back a year ago to the thread about Moyes's appointment and said he'd spend 65 million on Juan Mata and Marouane Fellaini but have us a distant 7th they'd have been laughed off the thread.

n32

J. Marston wrote: »

Could be worse, they could be in here saying thanks if we had won or drawn.

Take solace that our shítness has somewhat annoyed them.

.

That would definitely be enough to make me want to commit murder:D

Sheepy99

Quandary wrote: »

Start of the season, I predicted we'd finish 3rd at best. And you're right, some fans scoffed at that suggestion, but under the right manager this Utd team are easily capable of finishing in the top 4.

However much you might like to think, Utd are no where near as bad as Moyes has them performing. No where near. To suggest that they are is idiotic.

Perhaps you underestimated the influence of one of the greatest motivators the game ever seen in Ferg, whether he achieved it through fear and bullying or whatever means.

It's been 27 years, how can you really know that they're not capable of pulling this much of a shocker?

user2011

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Maximum possible points 72. Previous lowest 75.

Worst ever Premier League points total is now guaranteed.

Cheers Dave. Now, **** off.

He just loves all the wrong f**king records :mad: