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Minister Shatter and Commissioner Callinan should both resign in disgrace

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    #1922
    Shady Tady
    Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Shady Tady


    JRant wrote: »
    Well his comments on the WB's actions as disgusting for a start.[/

    1 agree with whistleblowing in the force and feel there is a need for a better way but find it disgusting if for example the whistleblowers handed over confidential garda information from Pulse to say the likes of Sinn Fein as was suggested on the Matt Cooper show recently, that would be disgusting in the eyes of most decent gardai who can remember their collegues being murdered by people that Sinn Fein represented and defended and who failed to condemn the murders for years. That's dishonour, pardon me if I would find that aspect Disgusting, I also wonder how members of the public would like their personal details being downloaded of pulse and passed out to third parties. No one is squeaky clean here!


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    #1923
    gizmo555
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭gizmo555


    Shady Tady wrote: »
    1 agree with whistleblowing in the force and feel there is a need for a better way but find it disgusting if for example the whistleblowers handed over confidential garda intelligence to say the likes of Sinn Fein as was suggested on the Matt Cooper show recently

    (a) They didn't.

    (b) If the member(s) of Sinn Féin happen to be members of the Oireachtas, the whistleblowers are legally entitled to give them information under the 2005 Act. If you find that disgusting, blame the people who elected Sinn Féin TDs - not the whistleblowers. That's democracy for you!


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    #1924
    Shady Tady
    Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Shady Tady


    gizmo555 wrote: »
    (a) They didn't.

    (b) If the member(s) of Sinn Féin happen to be members of the Oireachtas, the whistleblowers are legally entitled to give them information under the 2005 Act. If you find that disgusting, blame the people who elected Sinn Féin TDs - not the whistleblowers. That's democracy for you!

    Well information from pulse is confidential, I stand corrected it may not have been intelligence but all information on pulse even to do with penalty points is confidential and subject to the offical secrets act. I'm sure decent people who had penalty points cancelled for genuine reasons won't have appreciated their personal info handed over to third parties and in any other business it would be a clear breach of data protection. I understand other avenues had failed but there had to be a better way!


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    #1925
    Hootanany
    Registered Users Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Shady Tady wrote: »
    JRant wrote: »
    Well his comments on the WB's actions as disgusting for a start.[/

    1 agree with whistleblowing in the force and feel there is a need for a better way but find it disgusting if for example the whistleblowers handed over confidential garda information from Pulse to say the likes of Sinn Fein as was suggested on the Matt Cooper show recently, that would be disgusting in the eyes of most decent gardai who can remember their collegues being murdered by people that Sinn Fein represented and defended and who failed to condemn the murders for years. That's dishonour, pardon me if I would find that aspect Disgusting, I also wonder how members of the public would like their personal details being downloaded of pulse and passed out to third parties. No one is squeaky clean here!


    So you would rather they give it to the holier than thou main parties.
    That is why he went to them the game is up for corrupt politicians and parties.


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    #1926
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    =Shady Tady;89795491]Well his comments on the WB's actions as disgusting for a start.[/

    1 agree with whistleblowing in the force and feel there is a need for a better way but find it disgusting if for example the whistleblowers handed over confidential garda information from Pulse to say the likes of Sinn Fein as was suggested on the Matt Cooper show recently, that would be disgusting in the eyes of most decent gardai who can remember their collegues being murdered by people that Sinn Fein represented and defended and who failed to condemn the murders for years. That's dishonour, pardon me if I would find that aspect Disgusting, I also wonder how members of the public would like their personal details being downloaded of pulse and passed out to third parties. No one is squeaky clean here!

    Oh my God. I have tried over the past few days to understand your logic or where you were coming from.
    NOW! Now I understand.
    You are still fighting a war which everyone else has moved past and is trying to forget?
    Don't you confuse paramilitaries currently operating with anything like the sentiment held of the old IRA. That sentiment is long dead and gone.
    If you have paramilitaries operating, they are nothing to do with Sinn Fein or the ideology of Republicanism.

    You need to get the f over the North if you are ever going to serve our country professionally and without bias.


    Here's a wee tune.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts


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    #1927
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Shady Tady wrote: »
    Well information from pulse is confidential, I stand corrected it may not have been intelligence but all information on pulse even to do with penalty points is confidential and subject to the offical secrets act. I'm sure decent people who had penalty points cancelled for genuine reasons won't have appreciated their personal info handed over to third parties and in any other business it would be a clear breach of data protection. I understand other avenues had failed but there had to be a better way!

    I'm just like lost for words like and stuff like. Decent people??? Decent people??? How do you define decent people, please tell me? Are they the ones doing 120kmph in an 80 zone or are they doing 125kmph in an 80 zone.

    You are one ......... God help me to not get banned.


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    #1928
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Shady Tady wrote: »
    Wake up and smell the roses!

    Argue your point.


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    #1929
    Shady Tady
    Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Shady Tady


    sopretty wrote: »
    I'm just like lost for words like and stuff like. Decent people??? Decent people??? How do you define decent people, please tell me? Are they the ones doing 120kmph in an 80 zone or are they doing 125kmph in an 80 zone.

    You are one ......... God help me to not get banned.

    Decent people who may actually have been rushing a dying relative to hospital, it does happen, there are genuine cases and indeed decent people who find themselves in this senario


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    #1930
    gizmo555
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭gizmo555


    Shady Tady wrote: »
    Well information from pulse is confidential, I stand corrected it may not have been intelligence but all information on pulse even to do with penalty points is confidential and subject to the offical secrets act. I'm sure decent people who had penalty points cancelled for genuine reasons won't have appreciated their personal info handed over to third parties and in any other business it would be a clear breach of data protection. I understand other avenues had failed but there had to be a better way!

    Pulse information is confidential, but Section 62 of the Garda Síochána Act 2005 expressly authorises the disclosure of confidential information by Gardaí to members of the Oireachtas. This also means that, pursuant to Section 2A of the Data Protection Act 2003, no breach of data protection legislation was involved in the disclosures by McCabe and Wilson to Oireachtas members.

    Whether or not the people involved "appreciated" it is beside the point.


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    #1931
    Shady Tady
    Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Shady Tady


    gizmo555 wrote: »
    Pulse information is confidential, but Section 62 of the Garda Síochána Act 2005 expressly authorises the disclosure of confidential information by Gardaí to members of the Oireachtas. This also means that, pursuant to Section 2A of the Data Protection Act 2003, no breach of data protection legislation was involved in the disclosures by McCabe and Wilson to Oireachtas members.

    Whether or not the people involved "appreciated" it is beside the point.

    I take your point, as long as it was not released to people outside the oireachtas.


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    #1932
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    sopretty wrote: »
    I'm just like lost for words like and stuff like. Decent people??? Decent people???
    Do you think none of the people who had their points cancelled were decent people?


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    #1933
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Shady Tady wrote: »
    Decent people who may actually have been rushing a dying relative to hospital, it does happen, there are genuine cases and indeed decent people who find themselves in this senario

    And if they kill someone on the way?


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    #1934
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Do you think none of the people who had their points cancelled were decent people?

    Eh, the definition of 'decent people' is not decided by gardai! ShadyTady does not or SHOULD NOT decide who needs to obey our laws and who should not. Our democratically elected representatives pass legislation through due process. It is not open to interpretation by the Shady Gardai of our time.


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    #1935
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    sopretty wrote: »
    And if they kill someone on the way?
    Are you seriously suggesting that of you were rushing a dying relative to hospital, you'd stay within the speed limits?


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    #1936
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    sopretty wrote: »
    Eh, the definition of 'decent people' is not decided by gardai! ShadyTady does not or SHOULD NOT decide who needs to obey our laws and who should not. Our democratically elected representatives pass legislation through due process. It is not open to interpretation by the Shady Gardai of our time.

    The Gardaí who cancelled penalty points weren't breaking any laws (so, under your moral code they must be 'decent').
    The person who broke the speed limit rushing a dead relative to hospital was breaking a law (so, under your moral code isn't decent).


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    #1937
    Shady Tady
    Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Shady Tady


    sopretty wrote: »
    And if they kill someone on the way?

    There are calculated risks, it's not a perfect world, I'm sure if you had a dying relative you wouldn't be too worried about the speed limits, I can tell you I wouldn't but I'd drive as safe as I could as would most people! I hope we're not related and I get sick!


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    #1938
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Are you seriously suggesting that of you were rushing a dying relative to hospital, you'd stay within the speed limits?

    I was actually in court one day when just such a case came up. Woman was speeding at 80mph in a 30mph (50kmph) zone. Her solicitor argued her defence that she had received a phonecall that her ailing mother was dying and to come straight in. She was caught speeding. The Judge, offered his condolences but stipulated that it was not defensible to be doing that speed and reminded her of the potential consequences of that speed. He duly fined her and suspended her license.


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    #1939
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Phoebas wrote: »
    The Gardaí who cancelled penalty points weren't breaking any laws (so, under your moral code they must be 'decent').
    The person who broke the speed limit rushing a dead relative to hospital was breaking a law (so, under your moral code isn't decent).

    Phoebas. A force with authority needs to act with integrity, honesty and honour for the simple fact that they are in authority. Otherwise nobody trusts them. Like........... eh.............. now..........:P


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    #1940
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    sopretty wrote: »
    I was actually in court one day when just such a case came up. Woman was speeding at 80mph in a 30mph (50kmph) zone. Her solicitor argued her defence that she had received a phonecall that her ailing mother was dying and to come straight in. She was caught speeding. The Judge, offered his condolences but stipulated that it was not defensible to be doing that speed and reminded her of the potential consequences of that speed. He duly fined her and suspended her license.

    Lovely story - but it didn't answer the question posed.


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    #1941
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    sopretty wrote: »
    I was actually in court one day when just such a case came up. Woman was speeding at 80mph in a 30mph (50kmph) zone. Her solicitor argued her defence that she had received a phonecall that her ailing mother was dying and to come straight in. She was caught speeding. The Judge, offered his condolences but stipulated that it was not defensible to be doing that speed and reminded her of the potential consequences of that speed. He duly fined her and suspended her license.

    Where did she think she was in Miami mice.


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    #1942
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Shady Tady wrote: »
    There are calculated risks, it's not a perfect world, I'm sure if you had a dying relative you wouldn't be too worried about the speed limits, I can tell you I wouldn't but I'd drive as safe as I could as would most people! I hope we're not related and I get sick!

    Can I tell the next guard who stops me speeding that I was 'taking a calculated risk guard? Ya know like. I know how to handle her.......' :cool:


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    #1943
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    Where did she think she was in Miami mice.

    F'n Longford!!! :D


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    #1944
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    sopretty wrote: »
    Can I tell the next guard who stops me speeding that I was 'taking a calculated risk guard? Ya know like. I know how to handle her.......' :cool:

    Wow. Who.


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    #1945
    Shady Tady
    Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Shady Tady


    sopretty wrote: »
    Can I tell the next guard who stops me speeding that I was 'taking a calculated risk guard? Ya know like. I know how to handle her.......' :cool:

    Show him the dying relative, he's more likely to escort you the rest of the way


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    #1946
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Shady Tady wrote: »
    Show him the dying relative, he's more likely to escort you the rest of the way

    A bigger eegit he'd be too! ;)


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    #1947
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    Wow. Who.

    If you read further up, Shady Tady believes that calculated risks are ok. If you're decent. And have a relative dying.


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    #1948
    Shady Tady
    Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Shady Tady


    sopretty wrote: »
    A bigger eegit he'd be too! ;)

    You have led a sheltered life!


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    #1949
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Shady Tady wrote: »
    There are calculated risks, it's not a perfect world, I'm sure if you had a dying relative you wouldn't be too worried about the speed limits, I can tell you I wouldn't but I'd drive as safe as I could as would most people! I hope we're not related and I get sick!

    And here's the proof, before he cancels me penalty points. :P


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    #1950
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Shady Tady wrote: »
    You have led a sheltered life!

    I won't even try to explain that one to you. :pac:


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    #1951
    Shady Tady
    Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Shady Tady


    sopretty wrote: »
    I won't even try to explain that one to you. :pac:

    No need


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