Minister Shatter and Commissioner Callinan should both resign in disgrace

sopretty

Shady Tady wrote: »

Neither does brandishing a whole police force of 13.000 as corrupt. That's the sort of thing a recently released sex offender might want to do after joining boards.ie and becoming a keyboard warrior venting their anger at being put away and pretending they are a pillar of society. There is corruption but it's no worse that any other police force, not accepting there are good people in the force shows you have little credibility.

Are you somehow suggesting that I'm a released sex offender?

sopretty

Shady Tady wrote: »

Neither does brandishing a whole police force of 13.000 as corrupt. That's the sort of thing a recently released sex offender might want to do after joining boards.ie and becoming a keyboard warrior venting their anger at being put away and pretending they are a pillar of society. There is corruption but it's no worse that any other police force, not accepting there are good people in the force shows you have little credibility.

So, finally you accept this?

Shady Tady

sopretty wrote: »

Are you somehow suggesting that I'm a released sex offender?

Absolutly not, but you never really know who's online in these forums if you get what I mean!

Shady Tady

sopretty wrote: »

So, finally you accept this?

Do you believe there is a force in the world that does not have corruption, it's human nature, gardai are recruited from the general public and society and generally reflect society! The vast majority of gardai are decent like the vast majority of the public

sopretty

Shady Tady wrote: »

Absolutly not, but you never really know who's online in these forums if you get what I mean!

Hard to tell the honest cops from the corrupt ones alright.

sopretty

Shady Tady wrote: »

Do you believe there is a force in the world that does not have corruption, it's human nature, gardai are recruited from the general public and society and generally reflect society! The vast majority of gardai are decent like the vast majority of the public

Do you accept that there is a disproportionately higher percentage of corruption within AGS than within other public service bodies such as teaching or nursing?

Shady Tady

sopretty wrote: »

Hard to tell the honest cops from the corrupt ones alright.

"There is no one so blind are those who choose not to see"

sopretty

Shady Tady wrote: »

"There is no one so blind are those who choose not to see"

Oh I saw. I saw. And I heard. I saw and I heard a lying guard LIE in court, completely and utterly LIE in court, in order to implicate my friend. Thankfully, he didn't succeed. The bollix.

Shady Tady

sopretty wrote: »

Oh I saw. I saw. And I heard. I saw and I heard a lying guard LIE in court, completely and utterly LIE in court, in order to implicate my friend. Thankfully, he didn't succeed. The bollix.

That's wrong and I don't condone it, but did the other 12,999 get in the box and lie as well?

fr3d12

sopretty wrote: »

Oh I saw. I saw. And I heard. I saw and I heard a lying guard LIE in court, completely and utterly LIE in court, in order to implicate my friend. Thankfully, he didn't succeed. The bollix.

Can I ask if the Garda in question was prosecuted or disciplined for perjury?

sopretty

Shady Tady wrote: »

That's wrong and I don't condone it, but did the other 12,999 get in the box and lie as well?

I don't think the other 12,999 would have fitted into the box. Anyway, he wasn't in a box. He was standing in front of the judge.

sopretty

fr3d12 wrote: »

Can I ask if the Garda in question was prosecuted or disciplined for perjury?

No, he wasn't. Because neither of us could believe it. If he had the audacity to lie in court, he would have the audacity to lie during an enquiry. We asked the barrister why he had lied, and his advice was to just relax, let it go, and forget about it. His lies got him nowhere anyway! The judge believed my friend.
I know he knew that he lied, because on the day in question, he wrote (or made shapes to be writing) in his black book. What he testified to in court was unbelievable lol. You couldn't actually make it up.

Shady Tady

sopretty wrote: »

I don't think the other 12,999 would have fitted into the box. Anyway, he wasn't in a box. He was standing in front of the judge.

Did you witness the incident that was brought to court or did your friend tell you what happened?

sopretty

Shady Tady wrote: »

Did you witness the incident that was brought to court or did your friend tell you what happened?

I witnessed both the incident and the conversations with the guard on a couple of occasions afterwards.

Shady Tady

sopretty wrote: »

I don't think the other 12,999 would have fitted into the box. Anyway, he wasn't in a box. He was standing in front of the judge.

Normally in court you take the oath and sit in the witness box

sopretty

Shady Tady wrote: »

Normally in court you take the oath and sit in the witness box

Not in this one. The guard was presenting evidence. I think he was sworn in on the bible, but stood back in his place in front of the judge. Perhaps he wasn't sworn in. Either way, he lied.

Shady Tady

sopretty wrote: »

I witnessed both the incident and the conversations with the guard on a couple of occasions afterwards.

Did you complain to GSOC?

sopretty

Shady Tady wrote: »

Did you complain to GSOC?

No. If he could lie in court, he would lie to them.

Shady Tady

sopretty wrote: »

No. If he could lie in court, he would lie to them.

Let him lie to them and see how they deal with it, but not complaining is a cop out and you let down both the decent cops and the public down as well as yourselves. Poor decision

sopretty

Shady Tady wrote: »

Let him lie to them and see how they deal with it, but not complaining is a cop out and you let down both the decent cops and the public down as well as yourselves. Poor decision

Lol, ok.

mikom

Shady Tady wrote: »

Let him lie to them and see how they deal with it, but not complaining is a cop out and you let down both the decent cops and the public down as well as yourselves. Poor decision

Interesting choice of words.........

Shady Tady

mikom wrote: »

Interesting choice of words.........

You have great sight, what's your hearing like ex army man?

sopretty

sopretty wrote: »

No. If he could lie in court, he would lie to them.

You have been on this thread for weeks now, you have told us all that this one particular guard lied on oath in court.

Then, maybe it wasn't court, maybe he wasn't sworn in.......
You either know what happened or you don't.

If you know that the guard lied on oath, committed perjury, then I say its your duty to report it.

You lack credibility now, in my mind. You complain about gardai being corrupt, the only decent ones are the two whistleblowers, the rest ( you say ) ignored corruption.

A bit like you are doing now then yes?

sopretty

bubblypop wrote: »

You have been on this thread for weeks now, you have told us all that this one particular guard lied on oath in court.

Then, maybe it wasn't court, maybe he wasn't sworn in.......
You either know what happened or you don't.

If you know that the guard lied on oath, committed perjury, then I say its your duty to report it.

You lack credibility now, in my mind. You complain about gardai being corrupt, the only decent ones are the two whistleblowers, the rest ( you say ) ignored corruption.

A bit like you are doing now then yes?

Are you taking the piss?
He was sworn in to give evidence (that is my understanding). He did not sit in a box. He stood in his place on a bench in front of a District Court Judge. He LIED. He lied unbelievably. Basically, where we had contacted the gardai to complain about an assault, he said that he never received such a report. The f*cker came down and sat on the windowsill in my sitting room, writing in his black book. He then went to the 'assaulter'. He came back 2 further times, each time, writing in his black book. As my friend was not the assaulter, we didn't want to proceed with making statements. My friend was then accused of being the assaulter! He (the guard) was in our house on 3 occasions.

1. Immediately after the incident.
2. A couple of days later
3. About a week after no. 2 (the day after the Cavan fleadh - we discussed music with him and reiterated to him that we didn't want to press charges as we didn't want any hassle).

Then!!!!

This piece of *something* stood up in court and stated on questioning by our barrister, that the first night he came down, he had responded to a complaint by the other party (it was us who rang the guards) and that we told him to '**** off'.

Now............

WTF do you do with that level of lying??????????????

oscarBravo

sopretty wrote: »

WTF do you do with that level of lying??????????????

You could either (a) make a formal complaint to GSOC, or (b) do nothing but bitch about it on an online forum and wonder why nobody is doing anything about dishonest Gardaí.

sopretty

oscarBravo wrote: »

You could either (a) make a formal complaint to GSOC, or (b) do nothing but bitch about it on an online forum and wonder why nobody is doing anything about dishonest Gardaí.

I have since reported a different garda to GSOC. She was investigated (by a Garda) and found to have done nothing wrong.

Maybe she hadn't done anything wrong eh?
Maybe the cop in the other incident hadn't done anything wrong?

Or............ maybe you can't prove that a liar is a liar!!!!!!!!!!!!

oscarBravo

sopretty wrote: »

I have since reported a different garda to GSOC. She was investigated (by a Garda) and found to have done nothing wrong.

Maybe she hadn't done anything wrong eh?
Maybe the cop in the other incident hadn't done anything wrong?

Or............ maybe you can't prove that a liar is a liar!!!!!!!!!!!!

Impotent bitching it is, so. That oughta sort it.

sopretty

oscarBravo wrote: »

Impotent bitching it is, so. That oughta sort it.

In the absence of a more credible avenue.............

Shady Tady

sopretty wrote: »

Are you taking the piss?
He was sworn in to give evidence (that is my understanding). He did not sit in a box. He stood in his place on a bench in front of a District Court Judge. He LIED. He lied unbelievably. Basically, where we had contacted the gardai to complain about an assault, he said that he never received such a report. The f*cker came down and sat on the windowsill in my sitting room, writing in his black book. He then went to the 'assaulter'. He came back 2 further times, each time, writing in his black book. As my friend was not the assaulter, we didn't want to proceed with making statements. My friend was then accused of being the assaulter! He (the guard) was in our house on 3 occasions.

1. Immediately after the incident.
2. A couple of days later
3. About a week after no. 2 (the day after the Cavan fleadh - we discussed music with him and reiterated to him that we didn't want to press charges as we didn't want any hassle).

Then!!!!

This piece of *something* stood up in court and stated on questioning by our barrister, that the first night he came down, he had responded to a complaint by the other party (it was us who rang the guards) and that we told him to '**** off'.

Now............

WTF do you do with that level of lying??????????????

You wanted to complain of assault he called 3 times and you say yourself you didn't want to make a statement . How can you complain if you don't make a statement

Shady Tady

sopretty wrote: »

I have since reported a different garda to GSOC. She was investigated (by a Garda) and found to have done nothing wrong.

Maybe she hadn't done anything wrong eh?
Maybe the cop in the other incident hadn't done anything wrong?

Or............ maybe you can't prove that a liar is a liar!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's a pattern emerging!