simple way to cut welfare bill

upwardsonwards

Unemployment benefit should be payed as normal to help an unemployed person back to work.
A person on benefit should not have to jump through hoops but should be offered friendly helpful support to get back into employment.

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

ktm

Great thread, 10/10. Cant wait to read it again later.

vitani

I say we bring back the workhouses. That was a great system.

Chucken

I've never seen a thread like this before, I for one, am enthralled.

Taxburden carrier

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Unemployment benefit should be payed as normal to help an unemployed person back to work.
A person on benefit should not have to jump through hoops but should be offered friendly helpful support to get back into employment.

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

PC crowd aren't going to like this .

dharma200

Wow what an original idea........... Really am impressed, you should like, start a political party or something..................

drunkmonkey

If you don't give them beer there's going to be a shortage of superglue.

aidoh

upwardsonwards wrote: »

These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

You advocating a nanny state there? That's a deadly idea, any others?

diomed

Nice first post from Joan Burton.

upwardsonwards

dharma200 wrote: »

Wow what an original idea........... Really am impressed, you should like, start a political party or something..................

Too busy working.

Chucken

ktm wrote: »

Great thread, 10/10. Cant wait to read it again later.

I've bookmarked it. You should too.

AndonHandon

Dole people should be paid to work out how to get off the dole.

J_E

upwardsonwards wrote: »

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

uh oh

aidoh

AndonHandon wrote: »

Dole people should be paid to work out how to get off the dole.

Why, is Joan Burtons job up for grabs on Jobbridge?

Temptamperu

Im on the dole now but i worked since i was 16 paying tax specifically PAYE. Its social insurance i have paid for so go fúck off and learn what your taxes are for. You will need to know after you finish school.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Unemployment benefit should be payed as normal to help an unemployed person back to work.
A person on benefit should not have to jump through hoops but should be offered friendly helpful support to get back into employment.

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

We need the non working leeching scum in this country to drink, smoke and take as many drugs as they can so they die off younger than the decent folk.

My plan is better than yours! :P

Benny_Cake

Taxburden carrier wrote: »

PC crowd aren't going to like this .

I don't like this. Not one bit.

sawdoubters

fire all politicians,bankers and developers get rid of tax breaks for American companies


charge for health care,charge for schools,


drop farmer subsidies

aidoh

sawdoubters wrote: »

fire all politicians,bankers and developers get rid of tax breaks for American companies


charge for health care,charge for schools,


drop farmer subsidies

How would any of this cut the 'welfare bill', as the OP has put it?

dxhound2005

An even simpler way is to do what has been done in the last few years, not have any increases in the rates like in pensions or reduce some of them like in Child Benefit. That way eventhough the number of recipients goes up because of the very rapid increase in population here the actual amount of money being paid out stays much the same. It is simply a readjustment from the tiger years the same as workers have had to face. In fact in the Charlie McCreevy era pensioners got increases way above other sections of society.

Welfare is more than just unemployment payments.

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1026476.shtml

bodhrandude

OP if you were in power you would just create further unemployment, if swa people can't buy booze or tobacco, people working in the shops, off licenses and supermarkets would loose their jobs because of a drop in custom.

kneemos

bodhrandude wrote: »

OP if you were in power you would just create further unemployment, if swa people can't buy booze or tobacco, people working in the shops, off licenses and supermarkets would loose their jobs because of a drop in custom.

Plus the Government wouldn't get half their money back in taxes.

upwardsonwards

bodhrandude wrote: »

OP if you were in power you would just create further unemployment, if swa people can't buy booze or tobacco, people working in the shops, off licenses and supermarkets would loose their jobs because of a drop in custom.

They would still spend the money.
Loss of jobs in alcohol retail could be a gain for the fruit and vegetable seller.

Chucken

upwardsonwards wrote: »

They would still spend the money.
Loss of jobs in alcohol retail could be a gain for the fruit and vegetable seller.

Ah, you're not even trying now.:rolleyes:

shopaholic01

upwardsonwards wrote: »

They would still spend the money.
Loss of jobs in alcohol retail could be a gain for the fruit and vegetable seller.

I can't but gin , BUT I can get turnips. \o/


:rolleyes:

H2UMrsRobinson

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Unemployment benefit should be payed as normal to help an unemployed person back to work.
A person on benefit should not have to jump through hoops but should be offered friendly helpful support to get back into employment.

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

So you're going to implement a new debit card system, and get every shop in the land to cooperate by categorising their wares into luxuries and essentials, to save money how? They're still getting the money, you just think that your almighty Taxpayer status gives you the right to decide what they spend it on? Right...!

Agricola

shopaholic01 wrote: »

I can't but gin , BUT I can get turnips. \o/


:rolleyes:

Can't turnips be used as a substitute for potatoes to brew poitin?

TD's would really need to reflect on this anomoly before passing this otherwise ingenius legislation.

upwardsonwards

Chucken wrote: »

Ah, you're not even trying now.:rolleyes:

Nor are those on assistance.
If they want to smoke and drink let them do so with their OWN money.

flutered

diomed wrote: »

Nice first post from Joan Burton.

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naw thats gimmiemore, he just wants more for himself, you know the saying, the welfare class just keeps giving and giving.

upwardsonwards

shopaholic01 wrote: »

I can't but gin , BUT I can get turnips. \o/


:rolleyes:

You can not get drunk on turnips and while you will not be able to get gin you might be able to get a job.

Chucken

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Nor are those on assistance.
If they want to smoke and drink let them do so with their OWN money.

How do you know what everyone on social welfare spend their money on??

shopaholic01

Agricola wrote: »

Can't turnips be used as a substitute for potatoes to brew poitin?

TD's would really need to reflect on this anomoly before passing this otherwise ingenius legislation.

Perhaps people should only be able to buy potatoes and turnip if they present an up to date pay slip?

I'd hate to see the OP's idea fail.

shopaholic01

upwardsonwards wrote: »

You can not get drunk on turnips and while you will not be able to get gin you might be able to get a job.

Ah honey I have one.

Tombi!

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Nor are those on assistance.
If they want to smoke and drink let them do so with their OWN money.

That's called your money; once the money is given to you then it's yours when it comes to Jobseekers allowance/benefit in Ireland.

If you want to dictate what it can and cannot be spent on, then start up your own, private jobseekers and you can make sure the money is only spent on what you deem it should be spent on.

Chucken

shopaholic01 wrote: »

Ah honey I have one.

I bet you spend all your money on turnips too :mad:

downonthefarm

Invent a scheme where lazy dolians can do an honest days work and still get their scratcher,then they can complain how they are being exploited......
Make up a catchy name like jobs bridge and hunt them out of their council houses

flutered

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Nor are those on assistance.
If they want to smoke and drink let them do so with their OWN money.

but it is their own, a fraction of what they have paid in taxex both direct and indirect for years, dont worry mate your turn will come, unless you are an unsackable civil servent, but then karma is a bitch.

shopaholic01

Chucken wrote: »

I bet you spend all your money on turnips too :mad:

I'm mad for the feckers!

Fr. Ned

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

We need the non working leeching scum in this country to drink, smoke and take as many drugs as they can so they die off younger than the decent folk.

My plan is better than yours! :P

That's no way to talk about our PS workers.
Shame on you.

upwardsonwards

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Unemployment benefit should be payed as normal to help an unemployed person back to work.
A person on benefit should not have to jump through hoops but should be offered friendly helpful support to get back into employment.

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

Did it take you long to think that up! It is amazing no one ever thought of it before... completely amazing.

Fr. Ned

upwardsonwards wrote: »

You can not get drunk on turnips and while you will not be able to get gin you might be able to get a job.

Yep, as you've been told already, stay in school because you've a lot to learn......


If we want to save €2 billion PA just cut all welfare by 10%, including pensions etc.

We would still be way above 2005 levels and I don't remember anyone on welfare starving in 2005.

Chucken

upwardsonwards wrote: »

You can not get drunk on turnips

The innocence of youth

http://www.slowfoodfoundation.com/ark/details/1357/turnip-schnapps

Fr. Ned

Anyway, for his/her first post it wasn't a bad effort at trolling.
Mods, where do you dump these sh1te threads?

Me?

OP, you are a the greatest thinker of our time.

AndonHandon

sawdoubters wrote: »

fire all politicians,

We have elections for this.

sawdoubters wrote: »

and developers

Developers are self-employed, how can they be fired?

sawdoubters wrote: »

get rid of tax breaks for American companies

Racist.

sawdoubters wrote: »

charge for health care,charge for schools,

They're called taxes.

upwardsonwards

mariaalice wrote: »

Did it take you long to think that up! It is amazing no one ever thought of it before... completely amazing.

No it's not a new or particularly original idea the United States have food stamps for example.
What would be new is a government with the vision to do it.

dxhound2005

Me? wrote: »

OP, you are a the greatest thinker of our time.

Or b. Not a very good thinker.

Freddie Dodge

Its simple, - we pay them just enough that most of them won't rob and murder us to take the stuff we earned.

Op, id love to implement your plan tomorrow, but imagine what it'd do to crime rates.

Me?

I propose an annual cull.

Sir Oxman

Thanks for the original insight OP.
Well worth clicking.

dxhound2005

Me? wrote: »

I propose an annual cull.

Would there be a season like for ducks?