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simple way to cut welfare bill

upwardsonwards

Unemployment benefit should be payed as normal to help an unemployed person back to work.
A person on benefit should not have to jump through hoops but should be offered friendly helpful support to get back into employment.

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

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ktm

Great thread, 10/10. Cant wait to read it again later.

vitani

I say we bring back the workhouses. That was a great system.

Chucken

I've never seen a thread like this before, I for one, am enthralled.

Taxburden carrier

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Unemployment benefit should be payed as normal to help an unemployed person back to work.
A person on benefit should not have to jump through hoops but should be offered friendly helpful support to get back into employment.

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

PC crowd aren't going to like this .

dharma200

Wow what an original idea........... Really am impressed, you should like, start a political party or something..................

drunkmonkey

If you don't give them beer there's going to be a shortage of superglue.

aidoh

upwardsonwards wrote: »

These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

You advocating a nanny state there? That's a deadly idea, any others?

diomed

Nice first post from Joan Burton.

upwardsonwards

dharma200 wrote: »

Wow what an original idea........... Really am impressed, you should like, start a political party or something..................

Too busy working.

Chucken

ktm wrote: »

Great thread, 10/10. Cant wait to read it again later.

I've bookmarked it. You should too.

AndonHandon

Dole people should be paid to work out how to get off the dole.

J_E

upwardsonwards wrote: »

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

uh oh

aidoh

AndonHandon wrote: »

Dole people should be paid to work out how to get off the dole.

Why, is Joan Burtons job up for grabs on Jobbridge?

Temptamperu

Im on the dole now but i worked since i was 16 paying tax specifically PAYE. Its social insurance i have paid for so go fúck off and learn what your taxes are for. You will need to know after you finish school.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Unemployment benefit should be payed as normal to help an unemployed person back to work.
A person on benefit should not have to jump through hoops but should be offered friendly helpful support to get back into employment.

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

We need the non working leeching scum in this country to drink, smoke and take as many drugs as they can so they die off younger than the decent folk.

My plan is better than yours! :P

Benny_Cake

Taxburden carrier wrote: »

PC crowd aren't going to like this .

I don't like this. Not one bit.

sawdoubters

fire all politicians,bankers and developers get rid of tax breaks for American companies

charge for health care,charge for schools,

drop farmer subsidies

aidoh

sawdoubters wrote: »

fire all politicians,bankers and developers get rid of tax breaks for American companies

charge for health care,charge for schools,

drop farmer subsidies

How would any of this cut the 'welfare bill', as the OP has put it?

dxhound2005

An even simpler way is to do what has been done in the last few years, not have any increases in the rates like in pensions or reduce some of them like in Child Benefit. That way eventhough the number of recipients goes up because of the very rapid increase in population here the actual amount of money being paid out stays much the same. It is simply a readjustment from the tiger years the same as workers have had to face. In fact in the Charlie McCreevy era pensioners got increases way above other sections of society.

Welfare is more than just unemployment payments.

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1026476.shtml

bodhrandude

OP if you were in power you would just create further unemployment, if swa people can't buy booze or tobacco, people working in the shops, off licenses and supermarkets would loose their jobs because of a drop in custom.

kneemos

bodhrandude wrote: »

OP if you were in power you would just create further unemployment, if swa people can't buy booze or tobacco, people working in the shops, off licenses and supermarkets would loose their jobs because of a drop in custom.

Plus the Government wouldn't get half their money back in taxes.

upwardsonwards

bodhrandude wrote: »

OP if you were in power you would just create further unemployment, if swa people can't buy booze or tobacco, people working in the shops, off licenses and supermarkets would loose their jobs because of a drop in custom.

They would still spend the money.
Loss of jobs in alcohol retail could be a gain for the fruit and vegetable seller.

Chucken

upwardsonwards wrote: »

They would still spend the money.
Loss of jobs in alcohol retail could be a gain for the fruit and vegetable seller.

Ah, you're not even trying now.:rolleyes:

shopaholic01

upwardsonwards wrote: »

They would still spend the money.
Loss of jobs in alcohol retail could be a gain for the fruit and vegetable seller.

I can't but gin

, BUT I can get turnips. \o/

:rolleyes:

H2UMrsRobinson

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Unemployment benefit should be payed as normal to help an unemployed person back to work.
A person on benefit should not have to jump through hoops but should be offered friendly helpful support to get back into employment.

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

So you're going to implement a new debit card system, and get every shop in the land to cooperate by categorising their wares into luxuries and essentials, to save money how? They're still getting the money, you just think that your almighty Taxpayer status gives you the right to decide what they spend it on? Right...!

Agricola

shopaholic01 wrote: »

I can't but gin , BUT I can get turnips. \o/

:rolleyes:

Can't turnips be used as a substitute for potatoes to brew poitin?

TD's would really need to reflect on this anomoly before passing this otherwise ingenius legislation.

upwardsonwards

Chucken wrote: »

Ah, you're not even trying now.:rolleyes:

Nor are those on assistance.
If they want to smoke and drink let them do so with their OWN money.

flutered

diomed wrote: »

Nice first post from Joan Burton.

s
naw thats gimmiemore, he just wants more for himself, you know the saying, the welfare class just keeps giving and giving.

upwardsonwards

shopaholic01 wrote: »

I can't but gin , BUT I can get turnips. \o/

:rolleyes:

You can not get drunk on turnips and while you will not be able to get gin you might be able to get a job.

Chucken

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Nor are those on assistance.
If they want to smoke and drink let them do so with their OWN money.

How do you know what everyone on social welfare spend their money on??