simple way to cut welfare bill

upwardsonwards · 04-02-2014 10:24PM #1

Unemployment benefit should be payed as normal to help an unemployed person back to work.
A person on benefit should not have to jump through hoops but should be offered friendly helpful support to get back into employment.

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

ktm · 04-02-2014 10:32PM

Great thread, 10/10. Cant wait to read it again later.

vitani · 04-02-2014 10:34PM

I say we bring back the workhouses. That was a great system.

Chucken · 04-02-2014 10:36PM

I've never seen a thread like this before, I for one, am enthralled.

Taxburden carrier · 04-02-2014 10:37PM

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Unemployment benefit should be payed as normal to help an unemployed person back to work.
A person on benefit should not have to jump through hoops but should be offered friendly helpful support to get back into employment.

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

PC crowd aren't going to like this .

dharma200 · 04-02-2014 10:37PM

Wow what an original idea........... Really am impressed, you should like, start a political party or something..................

drunkmonkey · 04-02-2014 10:38PM

If you don't give them beer there's going to be a shortage of superglue.

aidoh · 04-02-2014 10:39PM

upwardsonwards wrote: »

These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

You advocating a nanny state there? That's a deadly idea, any others?

diomed · 04-02-2014 10:40PM

Nice first post from Joan Burton.

upwardsonwards · 04-02-2014 10:40PM

dharma200 wrote: »

Wow what an original idea........... Really am impressed, you should like, start a political party or something..................

Too busy working.

Chucken · 04-02-2014 10:41PM

ktm wrote: »

Great thread, 10/10. Cant wait to read it again later.

I've bookmarked it. You should too.

AndonHandon · 04-02-2014 10:43PM

Dole people should be paid to work out how to get off the dole.

J_E · 04-02-2014 10:45PM

upwardsonwards wrote: »

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

uh oh

aidoh · 04-02-2014 10:45PM

AndonHandon wrote: »

Dole people should be paid to work out how to get off the dole.

Why, is Joan Burtons job up for grabs on Jobbridge?

Temptamperu · 04-02-2014 10:46PM

Im on the dole now but i worked since i was 16 paying tax specifically PAYE. Its social insurance i have paid for so go fúck off and learn what your taxes are for. You will need to know after you finish school.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 04-02-2014 10:46PM

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Unemployment benefit should be payed as normal to help an unemployed person back to work.
A person on benefit should not have to jump through hoops but should be offered friendly helpful support to get back into employment.

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

We need the non working leeching scum in this country to drink, smoke and take as many drugs as they can so they die off younger than the decent folk.

My plan is better than yours! :P

Benny_Cake · 04-02-2014 10:47PM

Taxburden carrier wrote: »

PC crowd aren't going to like this .

I don't like this. Not one bit.

sawdoubters · 04-02-2014 10:48PM

fire all politicians,bankers and developers get rid of tax breaks for American companies

charge for health care,charge for schools,

drop farmer subsidies

aidoh · 04-02-2014 10:49PM

sawdoubters wrote: »

fire all politicians,bankers and developers get rid of tax breaks for American companies

charge for health care,charge for schools,

drop farmer subsidies

How would any of this cut the 'welfare bill', as the OP has put it?

dxhound2005 · 04-02-2014 10:50PM

An even simpler way is to do what has been done in the last few years, not have any increases in the rates like in pensions or reduce some of them like in Child Benefit. That way eventhough the number of recipients goes up because of the very rapid increase in population here the actual amount of money being paid out stays much the same. It is simply a readjustment from the tiger years the same as workers have had to face. In fact in the Charlie McCreevy era pensioners got increases way above other sections of society.

Welfare is more than just unemployment payments.

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1026476.shtml

bodhrandude · 04-02-2014 10:56PM

OP if you were in power you would just create further unemployment, if swa people can't buy booze or tobacco, people working in the shops, off licenses and supermarkets would loose their jobs because of a drop in custom.

kneemos · 04-02-2014 11:02PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

OP if you were in power you would just create further unemployment, if swa people can't buy booze or tobacco, people working in the shops, off licenses and supermarkets would loose their jobs because of a drop in custom.

Plus the Government wouldn't get half their money back in taxes.

upwardsonwards · 04-02-2014 11:02PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

OP if you were in power you would just create further unemployment, if swa people can't buy booze or tobacco, people working in the shops, off licenses and supermarkets would loose their jobs because of a drop in custom.

They would still spend the money.
Loss of jobs in alcohol retail could be a gain for the fruit and vegetable seller.

Chucken · 04-02-2014 11:05PM

upwardsonwards wrote: »

They would still spend the money.
Loss of jobs in alcohol retail could be a gain for the fruit and vegetable seller.

Ah, you're not even trying now.:rolleyes:

shopaholic01 · 04-02-2014 11:07PM

upwardsonwards wrote: »

They would still spend the money.
Loss of jobs in alcohol retail could be a gain for the fruit and vegetable seller.

I can't but gin

, BUT I can get turnips. \o/

:rolleyes:

H2UMrsRobinson · 04-02-2014 11:11PM

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Unemployment benefit should be payed as normal to help an unemployed person back to work.
A person on benefit should not have to jump through hoops but should be offered friendly helpful support to get back into employment.

People who are healthy and do not qualify for unemployment benefit and require unemployment assistance should be treated very differently.
These people should get a debit card that can not be used for the purchase of alcoholic drinks or tobacco products along with a list of other non essential luxury items.

So you're going to implement a new debit card system, and get every shop in the land to cooperate by categorising their wares into luxuries and essentials, to save money how? They're still getting the money, you just think that your almighty Taxpayer status gives you the right to decide what they spend it on? Right...!

Agricola · 04-02-2014 11:12PM

shopaholic01 wrote: »

I can't but gin , BUT I can get turnips. \o/

:rolleyes:

Can't turnips be used as a substitute for potatoes to brew poitin?

TD's would really need to reflect on this anomoly before passing this otherwise ingenius legislation.

upwardsonwards · 04-02-2014 11:12PM

Chucken wrote: »

Ah, you're not even trying now.:rolleyes:

Nor are those on assistance.
If they want to smoke and drink let them do so with their OWN money.

flutered · 04-02-2014 11:16PM

diomed wrote: »

Nice first post from Joan Burton.

s
naw thats gimmiemore, he just wants more for himself, you know the saying, the welfare class just keeps giving and giving.

upwardsonwards · 04-02-2014 11:16PM

shopaholic01 wrote: »

I can't but gin , BUT I can get turnips. \o/

:rolleyes:

You can not get drunk on turnips and while you will not be able to get gin you might be able to get a job.

Chucken · 04-02-2014 11:17PM

upwardsonwards wrote: »

Nor are those on assistance.
If they want to smoke and drink let them do so with their OWN money.

How do you know what everyone on social welfare spend their money on??

simple way to cut welfare bill

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