Prius+ 7 seater

wtawfick

I'm looking to buy a 7 seater MPV (automatic). I'll be trading in a 2004 VW Touran automatic. Mainly looking for a 2014 brand new car (that I'm planning to buy through the new PCP finance system). I've narrowed it down to

1- Toyota Prius+ 1.8 Hybrid automatic
2-VW Touran 1.6 Diesel automatic
3-Citroen C4 Grand Picasso 2 litre diesel automatic.

All three give roughly the same interior space, nearly the same miles per gallon (Prius+ slightly wins there) & relatively similar tax. All three will come with 3 year service & 3 year warranty.

Pros & cons of each:

1- Prius +:
Pros: My wife likes it the most (she's the one who's gonna be driving it). Lowest MPG, lowest road tax.
Cons: It's a relatively new car on the market & a bit quirky. Not sure if I'd be able to sell it later?? I think it only started late 2012 & only became available in Ireland late 2013. No used ones in the market that I could base an opinion on.

2- VW Touran:
Pros: Reliable car. Good resale value. VW have the least APR for the loan (3.9% compared to 7.9% for the other cars), so although it's theoretically more expensive, yet in the end it'll be the same as the others.
Cons: Boring as hell. :eek: Not many specs (even in the comfort line) compared to the others. We already have a 2004 Touran & the shape hasn't changed at all. It's giving us the feeling that we're not really changing the car.

3- Citroen C4 Grand Picasso:
Pros: Has the highest specs & options at a cheaper price.
Cons: Feels like cheap plastic inside. Not sure if it withstand the destructive forces of my kids. Seems to have the lowest resale value (although it'll cost me same price as the others to buy new. That's because I'll have to go for the 2 litre Executive model with full automatic transmission. I tried the 1.6 "semi-automatic" & it was awful).

My wife really prefers the Prius +, but I'm really worried about ability to offload it in the future. Are the ordinary 5 seater Prius good value for money, & can I base the resalability of this 7 seater, on that of the 5 seater?

Any thoughts are welcome.

Frankie Lee

I'd imagine the Prius 7 seater will hold its value very well. It is odd looking though.

RedDeadMarshal

Forget Citroen (**** Car) no offense to anyone driving one. VW is a solid car. It's German it's reliable it pulls it purrs. Got to love a VW but a Toyota is a Toyota less exciting than VW but if you're wife likes it then buy what she likes although it's a Prius so that's a no, no. How about a verso 2.2 d4d pulls like a freight train. If they still make those engines. This is coming from both a Toyota and VW owner. If anyone recommends a citroen to you they are ****. You are going to regret that for the rest of your life. Irish car 2014 my a**. Buy Toyota buy the best get a rope and tow the rest. Same goes for vw.

wtawfick

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I'd imagine the Prius 7 seater will hold its value very well. It is odd looking though.

Thanks Frankie. I have to agree, It does look odd. Not my first choice when it comes to styling (& that's even from a guy who drives a classic looking car. I drive a Jaguar S-Type). Having said that, it's my wife who'll be driving the 7 seater most of the time. I don't mind the looks as long as she's ok with it. I'll only drive it occasionally.

wtawfick

RedDeadMarshal wrote: »

Forget Citroen (**** Car) no offense to anyone driving one. VW is a solid car. It's German it's reliable it pulls it purrs. Got to love a VW but a Toyota is a Toyota less exciting than VW but if you're wife likes it then buy what she likes although it's a Prius so that's a no, no. How about a verso 2.2 d4d pulls like a freight train. If they still make those engines. This is coming from both a Toyota and VW owner. If anyone recommends a citroen to you they are ****. You are going to regret that for the rest of your life. Irish car 2014 my a**. Buy Toyota buy the best get a rope and tow the rest. Same goes for vw.

Thanks RedDeadMarshall. I got the same impression about the Citroen when I test drove it. Just cheap plastic interior. The only reason I had it in the comparison, was because it had the most gizmos, specs & options, at a cheaper price. When I drove it though, that's exactly what I felt "CHEAP". The semi-automatic gearbox was "HORRENDOUS" to say the least. That's why I thought of the full automatic 2 litre version. I put it out there to see if someone would talk me in to getting it. At least you've confirmed my fears.

You said

Got to love a VW but a Toyota is a Toyota less exciting than VW but if you're wife likes it then buy what she likes although it's a Prius so that's a no, no.

When you say a no no, is that because it's a hybrid, or is there another reason. I won't be using the car to tow anything. It's basically to carry around the kids & family. School runs & the occasional trip from Galway to Dublin. I don't need major towing power. The verso D4D unfortunately doesn't come in automatic. The only automatic version is a petrol engine, which will end up being even more expensive than the Prius+

TBi

Diesel will have better real life fuel economy than a prius BUT the prius will have far lower service and repair bills. It will more than likely be the cheapest to own. They are very reliable and not susceptible to the myriad of little expensive "surprises" diesels have (dmf, dpf, washed diesel).

I'd get a prius if the missus likes it.

pajo1981

wtawfick wrote: »

Thanks RedDeadMarshall. I got the same impression about the Citroen when I test drove it. Just cheap plastic interior. The only reason I had it in the comparison, was because it had the most gizmos, specs & options, at a cheaper price. When I drove it though, that's exactly what I felt "CHEAP". The semi-automatic gearbox was "HORRENDOUS" to say the least. That's why I thought of the full automatic 2 litre version. I put it out there to see if someone would talk me in to getting it. At least you've confirmed my fears.

Is this the new C4 picasso? It's supposed to have an excellent interior:



Citroen also consistently score higher than VW in the warranty direct index which is based on breakdown stats and not just peoples opinions/ perceived reliability.

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

wtawfick

Hi Pajo1981:

Is this the new C4 picasso? It's supposed to have an excellent interior:

Yes that's the one you have in the picture. While I agree it does look flashy, yet it gave me a "cheap" vibe. Aesthetics is one thing, quality is another. One example: The brand new show model they had on display at the dealers (hasn't been driven), the foldable table behind the front seat was already falling off the back of the seat. I showed it to the dealer. He clipped it casually back into place (as if this was a normal occurrence). 5 minutes later it was hanging off again.
I'm by no means writing off the Citroen. It has too many options at a very competitive price. I'm just worried about its reliability.

Thanks for the link. I wasn't aware of it. I'll look up each car individually & post the reliability results of each

colm_mcm

The Prius+ makes a lot of sense if you want an automatic

bazz26

RedDeadMarshal wrote: »

Forget Citroen (**** Car) no offense to anyone driving one. VW is a solid car. It's German it's reliable it pulls it purrs. Got to love a VW but a Toyota is a Toyota less exciting than VW but if you're wife likes it then buy what she likes although it's a Prius so that's a no, no. How about a verso 2.2 d4d pulls like a freight train. If they still make those engines. This is coming from both a Toyota and VW owner. If anyone recommends a citroen to you they are ****. You are going to regret that for the rest of your life. Irish car 2014 my a**. Buy Toyota buy the best get a rope and tow the rest. Same goes for vw.

colm_mcm

#2.2headgasketfailure

wtawfick

pajo1981 wrote: »

Citroen also consistently score higher than VW in the warranty direct index which is based on breakdown stats and not just peoples opinions/ perceived reliability.

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

The Prius seems to be the most reliable (That was based on the 5 seater Prius, as the Prius+ is too new to go into the warranty index).

I was actually surprised to see that Citroen as an overall brand scored better than VW. The average reliability index is 100. Less than 100 is more reliable. More than 100 is less reliable. The Prius is miles ahead of the other 2 cars.

This now looks like it's forcing my arm into getting the Prius+ which I find to be so dull (although my wife does like it).

wtawfick

colm_mcm wrote: »

#2.2headgasketfailure

Was the Head Gasket Failure on a Prius? How old was the car when that happened?

Bigus

I bet you'll end up driving the Prius more than you imagine, because most people,Who have access to a hybrid,Grow to love the way they operate especially around town And the suburbs

noelf

You should be able to get a Volkswagen on 1.9 pcp till the end of march . I'm going for a new golf highline 1.6 tdi plus free servicing till it reaches 60000 km

Prius is a very reliable car, the Prius plus is a bigger car so it most likely won't see 60-65 mpg I get in the MK II. Still for a petrol automatic it should get 50-55 mpg. I doubt most diesel automatics would do much better.

I think they were to add a lithium battery and make a plug in version.

The hybrid is well proven now and should reassure anyone thinking of going the hybrid route.

R.O.R

There is a substantial additional discount on the Prius+ at the moment, think it runs until mid Feb - hopefully it wasn't until the end of January.

wtawfick

noelf wrote: »

You should be able to get a Volkswagen on 1.9 pcp till the end of march . I'm going for a new golf highline 1.6 tdi plus free servicing till it reaches 60000 km

Hi Noelf,

I'm not sure if they do different APR rates on different models. It's definitely 3.9% (not 1.9%) on the Touran. This is at Western Motors in Galway. Could you tell me which dealer you're getting the 1.9% with. That might sway things in the Touran direction.

wtawfick

R.O.R wrote: »

There is a substantial additional discount on the Prius+ at the moment, think it runs until mid Feb - hopefully it wasn't until the end of January.

Hi R.O.R. Could you tell me where you saw the additional discount on the Prius+. I'm based in Galway, but have no problem going elsewhere in the country, if I'll get a reasonable discount.

The dealer in Galway, is gonna ring me back tomorrow with his final verdict on the pricing. He already has one in the showroom. brand new (still not registered). Has 10 kilometres on the clock (basically just my test drive). He says he'd be willing to do a deal on that one if I'm willing to take it, instead of ordering in another one. Still don't know exactly what the final price is gonna be. While find out tomorrow.

R.O.R

wtawfick wrote: »

Hi R.O.R. Could you tell me where you saw the additional discount on the Prius+. I'm based in Galway, but have no problem going elsewhere in the country, if I'll get a reasonable discount.

The dealer in Galway, is gonna ring me back tomorrow with his final verdict on the pricing. He already has one in the showroom. brand new (still not registered). Has 10 kilometres on the clock (basically just my test drive). He says he'd be willing to do a deal on that one if I'm willing to take it, instead of ordering in another one. Still don't know exactly what the final price is gonna be. While find out tomorrow.

My Toyota dealer rang me a couple of weeks ago with the news, just on the off chance I had anyone looking at one (I buy cars for a large fleet company).

Give Des Hughes Toyota in Portlaois a buzz tomorrow to see when it's running until.

wtawfick

Deleted User wrote: »

Prius is a very reliable car, the Prius plus is a bigger car so it most likely won't see 60-65 mpg I get in the MK II. Still for a petrol automatic it should get 50-55 mpg. I doubt most diesel automatics would do much better.

I think they were to add a lithium battery and make a plug in version.

The hybrid is well proven now and should reassure anyone thinking of going the hybrid route.

They have the lithium battery on the Prius+. Theoretically speaking it's supposed to be pretty efficient. It's well hidden under the arm rest between the driver & front passenger seats.

Everything on this thread about the Prius seems quite positive & reassuring. My only concern, is do you think that it'll be something that would appeal to people if I were to sell it in a few years time.

noelf

Western motors allways more expensive I went to commons cars in navan much better trade in value . oh if you want a change from touran the passat is 0.9 pcp estate perhaps ????

wtawfick

My Toyota dealer rang me a couple of weeks ago with the news, just on the off chance I had anyone looking at one (I buy cars for a large fleet company)

Give Des Hughes Toyota in Portlaois a buzz tomorrow to see when it's running until.

Hi R.O.R.

Thanks for that. I'll definitely give Des Hughes a ring tomorrow morning. Would be great if there actually is an offer going on.

colm_mcm

I saw 2 Prius+ today so someone's buying them!

wtawfick

noelf wrote: »

Western motors allways more expensive I went to commons cars in navan much better trade in value . oh if you want a change from touran the passat is 0.9 pcp estate perhaps ????

Hi Noelf,

I had a look at Commons cars in Navan. On their website they're only quoting the 3.9% across their range of models. I'll still give them a ring in the morning and ask.

I don't think a Passat estate would do it for us though. We need the 7 seats. No harm in asking them if they have better rates on the Touran though.

wtawfick

colm_mcm wrote: »

I saw 2 Prius+ today so someone's buying them!

That's great to hear Colm & very reassuring.

You did mention earlier something about a Gasket Head Failure. Was that on a Prius or on a different car?

colm_mcm

Nah, on the 2.2 toyota diesel, in reply to those bashing other brands

wtawfick

colm_mcm wrote: »

Nah, on the 2.2 toyota diesel, in reply to those bashing other brands

Thanks for clarifying that.

BMJD

wtawfick wrote: »

Everything on this thread about the Prius seems quite positive & reassuring. My only concern, is do you think that it'll be something that would appeal to people if I were to sell it in a few years time.

The regular Prius prices are holding up well so I would expect the Prius+ to be the same, if not better as there are few other petrol alternatives

wtawfick

Most comments seem to be in favour of the Prius+.

So unless the VW guys come up with a killer deal on finance for the Touran, it looks like I'll go for the Prius.

At this stage I haven't found any comment to convince me to go ahead with the Citroen, so looks like it's out of the race.

BMJD

105bhp automatic diesel should be enough to convince you not to choose the Touran

colm_mcm

Despite getting a platform update in 2010, the touran is still basically an 11 year old design.

noelf

wtawfick wrote: »

Hi Noelf,

I had a look at Commons cars in Navan. On their website they're only quoting the 3.9% across their range of models. I'll still give them a ring in the morning and ask.

I don't think a Passat estate would do it for us though. We need the 7 seats. No harm in asking them if they have better rates on the Touran though.

Yea you have to look for it David dolan is the sales manager . Also check out Bradys in Cavan a bit closer to home

wtawfick

BMJD wrote: »

105bhp automatic diesel should be enough to convince you not to choose the Touran

Guys, you're killing me here. So now you want me to rule out the Touran as well :pac: !!! This would be the first time for me to do exactly as my wife says when it comes to cars;)

On a serious note though, the Touran I have is a 2004 1.6 litre Petrol automatic. The petrol engine on it is as lousy as hell (too weak for that heavy a car) & the automatic transmission is pretty laggy. While that was acceptable by 2004 standards, I was hoping the diesel engine would be an improvement. I've been reassured by friends who have newer VW TDIs automatics that the new transmission isn't laggy at all.

Now you're saying the 105bhp automatic diesel isn't that great. Unfortunately the 2 litre diesel automatic is out of my league. Too far up a jump for me to afford.

colm_mcm

Touran is only a fancy Caddy

Chippy01

wtawfick wrote: »

This would be the first time for me to do exactly as my wife says when it comes to cars;)

And just think of all the brownie points that'll earn you as well.:D:D
Win-Win situation!!

BMJD

wtawfick wrote: »

This would be the first time for me to do exactly as my wife says

we believe you

wtawfick

colm_mcm wrote: »

Despite getting a platform update in 2010, the touran is still basically an 11 year old design.

That was my main gripe about the Touran. It looks exactly the same as the 2004 one we already have (both inside & out). I kind of feel we're not really getting an upgrade. It's exactly the same car, but with a newer engine & more responsive transmission

& yes I get the fancy Caddy bit

wtawfick

noelf wrote: »

Yea you have to look for it David dolan is the sales manager . Also check out Bradys in Cavan a bit closer to home

Thanks Noelf,

I really appreciate it. I'll ring both dealers in the morning.

wtawfick

Chippy01 wrote: »

And just think of all the brownie points that'll earn you as well.:D:D
Win-Win situation!!

If only life were that easy :P

wtawfick

wtawfick wrote: »

They have the lithium battery on the Prius+. Theoretically speaking it's supposed to be pretty efficient. It's well hidden under the arm rest between the driver & front passenger seats.

Everything on this thread about the Prius seems quite positive & reassuring. My only concern, is do you think that it'll be something that would appeal to people if I were to sell it in a few years time.

I wasn't sure if they actually installed the lithium battery yet or not thanks for that, pity it's not a plug in. So it must be pretty small.

I think people are becoming more aware that the prius isn't a gimmick and the technology is well proven itself to be ultra reliable.

I think it certainly will be easy sell in a few years, they are holding their value very well and I certainly wouldn't hesitate in buying another I wouldn't go back to diesel again unless I had no choice.

They are holding their value better than they were when we got ours. So the word must be spreading.

I know what I'll be getting next !

Leonard Hofstadter

The 1.6 TDI in the Passat is chronically underpowered with a manual gearbox, I shudder to think how slow that engine would be with an automatic and in a much taller car, especially when fully laden.

The Citroen won Top Gear's family car of the year, so it can't be too bad. I don't see anything special about the Prius + unless you absolutely have to have an automatic. It's unlikely to be very fast eithger, with a 0-100 time of 11.3 seconds.

Citroen has a really bad reputation in Ireland for some reason, probably goes back to the time the dealers were found to be price fixing. The Citroen is much cheaper to buy than the Prius, but I think it's only the 2.0 that has a proper automatic. The 1.6 is just an automated manual as far as I know.

wtawfick

Deleted User wrote: »

I wasn't sure if they actually installed the lithium battery yet or not thanks for that, pity it's not a plug in. So it must be pretty small.

I think people are becoming more aware that the prius isn't a gimmick and the technology is well proven itself to be ultra reliable.

I think it certainly will be easy sell in a few years, they are holding their value very well and I certainly wouldn't hesitate in buying another I wouldn't go back to diesel again unless I had no choice.

They are holding their value better than they were when we got ours. So the word must be spreading.

I know what I'll be getting next !

Cool. All sounds positive. This is some info on the battery in the Prius+:

Optimised Full Hybrid Powertrain Featuring a new Lithium-ion Battery

Compact, High Output Lithium-ion Battery


The Prius+’s lithium-ion battery replaces nickel-metal hydrid technology within a non-plug-in Toyota full hybrid for the first time. Located within the vehicle centre console between the front seats, the new battery is significantly lighter and more compact than that of the Prius.

A new cell structure design equips the lithium-ion battery with just 56 cells arranged in a vertically double stacked structure. This occupies significantly less volume than a Prius battery and, at 34 kg, is 8 kg lighter. Despite these reductions in both size and weight, the Prius+ battery has the same rated voltage of 202 V, and has an identical maximum output.

I was in the current model touran in Germany last summer, nice interior but the 1.6 TDI engine was not great, underpowered and sounded strained. It would be much better with the 2.0 litre. While more refined than the pd engines you'll still know it's a diesel.

I found my short spin in the Mk III Prius to be better than the Mk II, there was a nice noticeable amount of extra power and was quieter. Economy wise. I couldn't comment. The interior was nicer too. Not up to VW standards of course, but still better.

captainspeed

captainspeed wrote: »

The 1.6 TDI in the Passat is chronically underpowered with a manual gearbox, I shudder to think how slow that engine would be with an automatic and in a much taller car, especially when fully laden.

The Citroen won Top Gear's family car of the year, so it can't be too bad. I don't see anything special about the Prius + unless you absolutely have to have an automatic. It's unlikely to be very fast eithger, with a 0-100 time of 11.3 seconds.

Citroen has a really bad reputation in Ireland for some reason, probably goes back to the time the dealers were found to be price fixing. The Citroen is much cheaper to buy than the Prius, but I think it's only the 2.0 that has a proper automatic. The 1.6 is just an automated manual as far as I know.

Yes I found the 1.6 underpowered, I didn't find it as torquey as the old 1.9 104 hp pd engine.

The Prius drivetrain in the current model isn't too slow, 9-9.5 seconds 0-100 isn't too bad at all.

What it would be like in the 7 seater fully laden is anyone's guess probably much better than the 1.6 touran though.

If I had the option then I'd probably choose 170 hp tdi touran ( dare I say it) and dsg, but there is a higher chance the tdi will go wrong, and it costs more to maintain. And the 6 speed dsg needs oil changes every 40 k miles. The 170 hp would most likely be ridiculously over priced though. And the Prius most likely more economical.

No belts in a Prius what so ever to maintain.

It's a pity there isn't a more powerful plug in version of the Prius with a decent size battery.

wtawfick

captainspeed wrote: »

The 1.6 TDI in the Passat is chronically underpowered with a manual gearbox, I shudder to think how slow that engine would be with an automatic and in a much taller car, especially when fully laden.

The Citroen won Top Gear's family car of the year, so it can't be too bad. I don't see anything special about the Prius + unless you absolutely have to have an automatic. It's unlikely to be very fast eithger, with a 0-100 time of 11.3 seconds.

Citroen has a really bad reputation in Ireland for some reason, probably goes back to the time the dealers were found to be price fixing. The Citroen is much cheaper to buy than the Prius, but I think it's only the 2.0 that has a proper automatic. The 1.6 is just an automated manual as far as I know.

I'm under no illusion that any of the 3 cars I'm looking at is fast. The main use is school runs, ferrying kids & family inside town. My wife is the one who'll be driving it most of the time. My own car gives me my sufficient speed fix, so I'm happy to go slow when I'm driving the other car. Most of our intercity travelling is Galway-Dublin, which is now all motorway. We rarely need to worry about building up speed to overtake.

When I test drove the Prius+ (on a motorway stretch of road, where I could put the foot down), it was admittedly slow, however it was actually faster & more responsive than the 2004 Touran we have. Our current Touran is 1.6 Petrol automatic. Unfortunately Western Motors didn't have a 1.6 diesel automatic new Touran in the showroom for me to try.

Regarding the Citroen, yes, the 1.6 is an automated manual. EXTREMELY ANNOYING to drive. That's why I had asked to test drive the 2 litre full automatic. They're getting me one to try tomorrow afternoon.

wtawfick

wtawfick wrote: »

Cool. All sounds positive. This is some info on the battery in the Prius+:

Optimised Full Hybrid Powertrain Featuring a new Lithium-ion Battery

Compact, High Output Lithium-ion Battery


The Prius+’s lithium-ion battery replaces nickel-metal hydrid technology within a non-plug-in Toyota full hybrid for the first time. Located within the vehicle centre console between the front seats, the new battery is significantly lighter and more compact than that of the Prius.

A new cell structure design equips the lithium-ion battery with just 56 cells arranged in a vertically double stacked structure. This occupies significantly less volume than a Prius battery and, at 34 kg, is 8 kg lighter. Despite these reductions in both size and weight, the Prius+ battery has the same rated voltage of 202 V, and has an identical maximum output.

Is the lithium battery the same kWh usable though ?

wtawfick

Deleted User wrote: »

Is the lithium battery the same kWh usable though ?

Regarding the kWh: Couldn't find official figures on Toyota's website. Got this from a review of the car:

1,798cc 16-valve four-cylinder Atkinson Cycle petrol: 100PS/98bhp/73kW @ 5,200rpm; 142Nm torque @ 4,000rpm

Permanent magnet synchronous electric motor, maximum voltage 650; output 83PS/81bhp/60kW; 207Nm torque.

Lithium-ion battery nominal voltage 201.6 DC V; capacity 5Ah/1.0kWh; max output 37PS/36bhp/27kW

Maximum system output: 136PS/134bhp/100kW

The official performance figures on Toyota Ireland website:

Power: 136bhp(system)
Torque: 142/4000
0-100km/h (seconds): 11.3sec
CO2 (g/km): 96
Fuel Consumption:
Combined: 4.1 L/100km (68.9mpg)
Urban: 3.8 L/100km (74.3mpg)
Extra-Urban: 4.2 L/100km (67.3mpg)

galwaytt

You'll have no problem selling the Prius in years to come.

Listen to your wife: life's too short otherwise. Mine just made me buy a car too.

996 cabriolet.

I'm gutted

Still -at least she's happy. . :pac:

wtawfick

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes I found the 1.6 underpowered, I didn't find it as torquey as the old 1.9 104 hp pd engine.

The Prius drivetrain in the current model isn't too slow, 9-9.5 seconds 0-100 isn't too bad at all.

What it would be like in the 7 seater fully laden is anyone's guess probably much better than the 1.6 touran though.

If I had the option then I'd probably choose 170 hp tdi touran ( dare I say it) and dsg, but there is a higher chance the tdi will go wrong, and it costs more to maintain. And the 6 speed dsg needs oil changes every 40 k miles. The 170 hp would most likely be ridiculously over priced though. And the Prius most likely more economical.

No belts in a Prius what so ever to maintain.

It's a pity there isn't a more powerful plug in version of the Prius with a decent size battery.

When I test drove the Prius+, it was definitely more in keeping with the 11+ seconds for 0-100 that's mentioned in the brochure. I'd say the 9-9.5 seconds you're getting is the price I have to pay for getting a 7 seater.

As for the 170hp Touran I couldn't even find those specs. The highest available is a 2.0 TDI 140Hp DSG (automatic). That is already bringing it up to €42,000 without even factoring in the rear view camera & the sunroof (which both the Prius+ & the Citroen Grand Picasso have, at a much cheaper price). That's over 6 grand dearer than the Prius+. If I add in the sunroof & rear view camera, it'll bring the difference to 8-9 grand. You might argue that these are just gimmicks that we don't really need & I fully agree. I'm just trying to compare like for like & see what I'll get for my money.

The Touran 1.6TDI auto is only a couple grand dearer than the Prius+. When you factor in that VW have better APR finance rates (3.9% vs 7.9% for the Toyota), it actually ends up being about €500 cheaper (even taking into account the cheaper road tax of the Prius+ over the course of 3 years).

wtawfick

galwaytt wrote: »

You'll have no problem selling the Prius in years to come.

Listen to your wife: life's too short otherwise. Mine just made me buy a car too.

996 cabriolet.

I'm gutted

Still -at least she's happy. . :pac:

Man you must be really gutted.

So let me get this straight; SHE had to try to convince YOU to buy a 996 cabrio.

You're in Galway as well. I must get your wife to have a chat with mine :D