New bin collecting

phillo65

Got the leaflet,rang the company,but according to the wife none of the options suit.We recycle,compost and put bin out maybe once amonth at most.So are we being charged for doing things right.The info we recieved is very confusing.ie:weights per KG for various bins.Any clarity from anyone would be welcome.

thebuzz

Might help if you're a bit clearer yourself. What's the leaflet?

loki7777

So just to add something - any company not charging every month for nothing - like GS is doing now >€4 per month on pay as you go basis?

Ham Sambo

Funny you should bring this up, I was just checking out Barna Waste and McGrath's websites this evening. According to Barna they give you three options as to what kind of service they provide and how much they charge, like yourself we might have a wheely bin out once every four weeks, in that case we can pay a serious charge of 20 euros every three months and then pay 9 euro in advance for household rubbish.

the recycling bin will cost 2.50 every two weeks, but there is a catch, if you go over 35kg's they will charge you 2.50 for the privilege, it's one big money making racket if you ask me, McGraths are much the same as Barna but will not charge you for the weight of your bin.

barneyrub

Just got a leaflet from Mcgraths this morning informing us that the change over is coming. Had no idea before this.
We'd usually only put our bin out every 4-6 weeks. The recycling bag is prob every 2 weeks.

And we now have to have a brown bin too?

Can see this being alot dearer than what we're currently paying which is about €200 a year.

Ham Sambo

barneyrub wrote: »

Just got a leaflet from Mcgraths this morning informing us that the change over is coming. Had no idea before this.
We'd usually only put our bin out every 4-6 weeks. The recycling bag is prob every 2 weeks.

And we now have to have a brown bin too?

Can see this being alot dearer than what we're currently paying which is about €200 a year.

In that case then Barna Waste is the one you should go for, they operate a 'pay as you go' system, Google them and have a look.

barneyrub

Ham Sambo wrote: »

In that case then Barna Waste is the one you should go for, they operate a 'pay as you go' system, Google them and have a look.

I was checking them out yesterday and looking at that option. They charge for extra weight though. How much would an average bin full weigh?

Mcgrath are only doing the flat fee of 330 which is a pity as I prefer them to Barna

Plazaman

Ham Sambo wrote: »

In that case then Barna Waste is the one you should go for, they operate a 'pay as you go' system, Google them and have a look.

I think that's only going to be temporary until August then it's the pay by weight for all. There's an ad in The Champion today for them but it looks hugely expensive from here on in. I might fill a bin once every 3-4 weeks but it looks like there'll be a flat fee introduced regardless.

Must investigate a bit further.

Edit : Here's what they have in ad which leads me to believe "pay as you go" is gone.

Mint Sauce

Really prefer the pay as you go method, ie, buying a plastic bag from Barna, or a tag from Greenstar, as and when you need it.

Our bin might only go out every 4 weeks or so. Will have to look into this as well.

barneyrub

I think the 'pay as you go' is a pay per lift system. Which is better for us that don't fill the bins fortnightly.
But they will be charging for extra weight which might catch us out.

The annual charges here seem way ott compared to what you see advertised for Dublin.

rizzodun

Why do you have to give barna €20 quid per quarter for the privilege of using a pay per lift option? What does that charge cover?

phillo65

rizzodun wrote: »

Why do you have to give barna €20 quid per quarter for the privilege of using a pay per lift option? What does that charge cover?

They are calling this a surcharge.Then you pay per lift.Do'nt get it myself.You're either paying for a service ie:€9 a lift or a yearly charge.Not a yearly charge (surcharge) plus a lift charge.Also seemingly this is a Bye law which I presume no other operater can come in with a different offer.There is a lot of confusion out there.I can see a lot of illegal dumping if we are interpreting these charges correctly.Thank you for all your replies.A bit of research. and we might figure it out.Although that is presuming they know what there at themselves.

phillo65

thebuzz wrote: »

Might help if you're a bit clearer yourself. What's the leaflet?

The Heading says "New bin collecting".Doesn't take a genius to figure what the leaflet was about.The info in the lealet ,papers , etc.is complicated.Myself,people I know and seemingly others on this thread think it looks like a good hike in price.Hope I'm wrong but in this town I always believe the worst,and I'm a townie.

thebuzz

phillo65 wrote: »

The Heading says "New bin collecting".Doesn't take a genius to figure what the leaflet was about.The info in the lealet ,papers , etc.is complicated.

All you said was got the leaflet, I haven't received any leaflet so was I supposed to guess what new changes you were complaining about, without you actually mentioning them? I've since found out about the changes but hadn't when you originally posted.

Ham Sambo

rizzodun wrote: »

Why do you have to give barna €20 quid per quarter for the privilege of using a pay per lift option? What does that charge cover?

Haven't a clue, it just states 'service charge', just another add on, what I can't understand is why they charge for collecting recycling as they make a lot of money from it themselves.

phillo65

thebuzz wrote: »

All you said was got the leaflet, I haven't received any leaflet so was I supposed to guess what new changes you were complaining about, without you actually mentioning them? I've since found out about the changes but hadn't when you originally posted.

Apoligies,to be honest the Leaflet is to me very confusing.That is why I couldn't put up details.I would not have known where to start.I will try to scan it and post it up at the weekend.

rizzodun

It seems that most of the people I have talked to only heard about this in the last week, but its starting the first week in Feb? I can see more people burning rubbish and an increase in fly tipping because if this. The service charge is a load of bull too, why not just charge a rate equivalent to the price of the old bags? Even then they could still charge if its over the max weight.

The barna FAQ states that the bin is weighed before and after emptying to calculate the weight of the rubbish, so what happens if you only have the amount for the standard weight of the bin in the account(€9 for 35 kg I think) and the bin weighs 36 or 37?

How can you trust that the weight they're giving is accurate too? Sounds way too easy to make money without monitoring.

Mint Sauce

So I have had a good look on the Barna website, yes they are doing away with labels/bags, feb for Sligo, and not till august for Leitrim, but nothing on what the charges will be.

Looked at the Greenstar website, and can find nothing on these changes.

No leaflets through the door, and yet both companies collect from my estate.

Necro

Did a bit of looking into barnas €167 charge for 6 months with no limit on weight - through their online service they look for almost 50 per cent (€80) up front as a minimum charge. Haven't looked at the upfront payments for the other services but I think we'll be availing of the €9 per lift option. Because we don't live in the town we don't need a food waste bin either.

glaswegian

does the greenstar depot in finisklin take black bags of household waste,and at what price if they do??

Kettleson

glaswegian wrote: »

does the greenstar depot in finisklin take black bags of household waste,and at what price if they do??

Not sure about foodstuffs...I've dumped a few small items with them and there seems to be a €5 min charge, but I may well be wrong.

barneyrub

You still have until the end of March to use your bags. The shops stop selling them early Feb but the companies will still take them until end of march. Im going to stock up on what I need to do me until then.

You can bring your own waste to be dumped but you're supposed to keep your receipts for 6(i think) years!

Do you get a receipt for the weight of your bin each lift and things like that if it's all going electronic.

Lack of providers is bugging me now, and that it was an unknown to me until this week.

phillo65

Necrominus wrote: »

Did a bit of looking into barnas €167 charge for 6 months with no limit on weight - through their online service they look for almost 50 per cent (€80) up front as a minimum charge. Haven't looked at the upfront payments for the other services but I think we'll be availing of the €9 per lift option. Because we don't live in the town we don't need a food waste bin either.

€9 a lift is ok and would suit me.But only putting a bin out once a month paying a service charge of €167 or whatever seems excessive or extortionate.I think its the latter.

Mint Sauce

phillo65 wrote: »

€9 a lift is ok and would suit me.But only putting a bin out once a month paying a service charge of €167 or whatever seems excessive or extortionate.I think its the latter.

Found a leaflet. The €9 a lift, seems to be part of a top up fee.

A prepay or credit service of €20 for three months. For that lifts are €9, with an additional (i think) €2.50 if weight is over 35kg. Seems to be the best one for ocasional users.

Plazaman

Necrominus wrote: »

..... Because we don't live in the town we don't need a food waste bin either.

If you live in any of these ares you need a food bin.

Specified Areas for third bin collection are as follows:

- Ballisodare
- Ballymote
- Borough Area
- Carney
- Cliffoney
- Collooney
- Coolaney
- Dromore West
- Drumcliff
- Easkey
- Enniscrone
- Grange
- Strandhill
- Mullaghmore
- Rathcormac
- Rossespoint
- Riverstown
- Tubbercurry

Necro

Plazaman wrote: »

If you live in any of these ares you need a food bin.

Specified Areas for third bin collection are as follows:

- Ballisodare
- Ballymote
- Borough Area
- Carney
- Cliffoney
- Collooney
- Coolaney
- Dromore West
- Drumcliff
- Easkey
- Enniscrone
- Grange
- Strandhill
- Mullaghmore
- Rathcormac
- Rossespoint
- Riverstown
- Tubbercurry

Not according to the barna website for Ballymote. I entered all my details and the only bins they are providing are the general and recycling 240 litre bins. Other areas I haven't a clue. I'm open to correction on this as I'm only going off the barna website when entering my details for the €167 offer.

barneyrub

https://m.soundcloud.com/oceanfm/north-west-today-tues-21st-jan#t=3:32

There's a link that sligo Co Co just put up on Twitter. Interview on ocean for at around 3:30 in. According to it all providers need to provide either a pay per lift or pay per weigh system.
Mcgraths aren't offering these options anyway.

I also enquired with Mcgraths about a brown bin as we're in an area that will need one and was told that they'd be rolling it out in future but not available now. Maybe Barna are the same?
There's maps on the council's website for areas that need the brown bin

Greenstars pre pay plan seems to be the best for those who dont put out the bins too often

Prepay Plan
Initial Payment: €20.00
Monthly Charge: €4.16
Compost: €6.00
Recycling: €4.00
General Waste: €10.00

Here is the standard plan ...

Standard Plan
€129.00
Cost per KG: €0.255

loki7777

I will stay with GS prepay as we are not puting out bins every week.

showgies

I’m currently with Barna on a top up / credit situation and pay for each lift. Between general waste & recycling I spend an average €150 per year.

The new charges will mean an increase payment for me no matter what option I use, with the €20 per quarter being probably the best choice. The price per lift currently is €12.50 – General and €4.50 – Recycling, even their reduction to €9 & €2.50 respectfully means I will pay more.

Co-incidentally the prices per lift were only increased last July from €9.50 & €3.00.

It seems that those that were managing their waste correctly in the first place are those that will bear some punishment.

So much for Polluter Pays.

sligoface

It's crazy that our inept Co. Council is able to make a bye-law that can limit or eliminate options for a service that is paid for by the consumer privately.

I'd say barna won't have many former 'buy a bin bag/tag' customers picking up their new options wich all seem expensive and more bother compared to the simple option of buying a bag at the shop which a lot of people in town have done for ages. Lots of households in this town struggling at the moment, my house included, and we all want pay as you go without big charges that have to be paid all at once.

We are with Greenstar for the last 3 years, and they have put the price up slightly every single year, this year their leaflet said they were putting the standing monthly charge up a bit but the price per bin was going down slightly. I don't have the leaflet to hand but when I got it last week I remember calaculating that it was still an increase for what we would use. But I don't remember paying 20 euro initial charge that must be new. 20 euro for the privilege of paying them a standing monthly charge as well as a tenner each bin, ffs what a joke.

If the Barna pay per lift plan is 20 for 3 months, plus 9 per bin, and 2.50 extra if overweight, than putting out 6 bins in 3 months would be 74 euro, if say 2 of them were overweight, 79 euro, equalling just over 13 euro per bin.

Agree with the previous poster, why not just charge 13 each lift then. Having a standing charge as well as a pay per lift charge defeats the purpose of pay as you go. I can't afford to just shell out 20 euro all at once every three months for nothing.

Red Rua

I was just looking at the FAQs on the Sligo Co Council website
http://www.sligococo.ie/media/FAQs_WasteManagment.pdf

If you live in one of the specified areas in Sligo, you are obliged to have a 3rd bin for Food Waste and present it for collection on a fortnightly basis

Why has the 3rd bin (Food Waste/Bio-degradable Waste) to be collected fortnightly? It may not be full, therefore why can I not wait until it is full?

So those that mean those on the Greenstar Pre-Pay plan must pay €6 to lift the brown bin on a fornightly basis? Even if they compost most of their food waste?

El Weirdo

Red Rua wrote: »

http://www.sligococo.ie/media/FAQs_WasteManagment.pdf

If you live in one of the specified areas in Sligo, you are obliged to have a 3rd bin for Food Waste and present it for collection on a fortnightly basis

Why has the 3rd bin (Food Waste/Bio-degradable Waste) to be collected fortnightly? It may not be full, therefore why can I not wait until it is full?

Also from that PDF:

Not all food waste can go in Garden Composters i.e. cooked food items.

Wrong.

phillo65

Sligoface you seem to have hit it.Its a private contract between me,the consumer and barna or whoever,the provider.What business the coco or corpo have interfering in this as long all is legit and they are licenced baffles me.It is the usual in this country.Do things right and you get penalised.

tommyamnesia

phillo65 wrote: »

Sligoface you seem to have hit it.Its a private contract between me,the consumer and barna or whoever,the provider.What business the coco or corpo have interfering in this as long all is legit and they are licenced baffles me.It is the usual in this country.Do things right and you get penalised.

Can anyone answer this? I put out waste only 4 times a year. I do a lot of composting and re-cycling. I pay approx. 70e a year for waste and recycling. If I go for option 3 with Barna it will cost me something like 80e service charge plus about 4-5 lifts which is close to 130e for waste alone. Can I bring my waste to a depot for disposal?

peasant

Why has the 3rd bin (Food Waste/Bio-degradable Waste) to be collected fortnightly? It
may not be full, therefore why can I not wait until it is full?
This is a requirement under the Waste Management (Food Waste) Regulations 2009 and also
the European Union (Household Food Waste & Bio-waste) Regulations 2013. Apart from its
requirement in legislation, the rationale behind collection of this waste type on a fortnightly
basis is to ensure the waste undergoes the best possible treatment at a composting facility

Great ...we're a household of two.
We produce about 3 chicken bones and a mouldy lemon between us per fortnight (any other left-over food is dog food or garden compost) ...so it's going to cost me 6 Euro every two weeks to dispose of that correctly?

156 Euro per year?


Are they out of their minds??


And then I'll have to wash the fecking bin every time ...helloooo water charges



EDIT:

just had another think about this

If they are forcing you to put out that bin every fortnight they can not have a flat charge for this. Otherwise a single person household would have to pay the same for their two eggshells as a large family for a full bin ...that would not only not be fair, I also doubt that it would stand up in court.


There will have to be a charge that reflects the actual amount of waste you produce.

Mint Sauce

showgies wrote: »

I’m currently with Barna on a top up / credit situation and pay for each lift. Between general waste & recycling I spend an average €150 per year.

The new charges will mean an increase payment for me no matter what option I use, with the €20 per quarter being probably the best choice. The price per lift currently is €12.50 – General and €4.50 – Recycling, even their reduction to €9 & €2.50 respectfully means I will pay more.

Co-incidentally the prices per lift were only increased last July from €9.50 & €3.00.

It seems that those that were managing their waste correctly in the first place are those that will bear some punishment.

So much for Polluter Pays.

Is the €9 on top of the €20 you have all ready prepaid, or is it deducted from the €20. Plus do you use you exsisting bin or do they supply one.

Really love the way the Coco and the Refuse companies have advertised these changes btw.

sari

I'm so confused by all this and really don't know how I'm going to pay for my bins now. I put the rubbish and recycling out once every 4 weeks. I use mc graths bin bags so with their recent increase that's €18 every 4 weeks!!
Don't know which option is best for us now??
Are all options direct debit or can you pay/top up with cash

Bebo stunnah

Red Rua wrote: »

If you live in one of the specified areas in Sligo, you are obliged to have a 3rd bin for Food Waste and present it for collection on a fortnightly basis

Why has the 3rd bin (Food Waste/Bio-degradable Waste) to be collected fortnightly? It may not be full, therefore why can I not wait until it is full?

If that's the case then I have no problem presenting it fortnightly, I sure as hell wont be paying to do so until it's full though, so it's up to them if they take it or not.

This whole thing seems a bit fishy to me, it appears as though the refuse company and Co.Co have come to a mutual agreement that they'll be making a minimum amount of profit off every house. Last year I was paying about €10 for a bin bag, and I got a recycling bag for free. When they increased the price to €13 per bag and started charging €2.50 per bag I stopped using they're recycling bags. Now it looks like they're forcing me to pay more, 'just because'.

I haven't heard anything about the new prices (except for on here),I got the mcGraths leaflet, but nothing about prices, but I hear Barna are about to issue something next week.

sari

The council and the bin companies must have been working on this for awhile but I only heard about this yesterday and with such short notice of changes! It doesn't give people much time to get all the info and look at their finances to figure out the best deal.

red sean

I vaguely recall reading/hearing something in the national media about this a few months ago.
And I think it said this will be the system all over Ireland. But as I say, vaguely!
Very confusing locally though!

showgies

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Is the €9 on top of the €20 you have all ready prepaid, or is it deducted from the €20. Plus do you use you exsisting bin or do they supply one.

I assume it's on top of the €20. I can't see them delivering new bins.

sligoface

Just read that pdf, looks like this is actually in part, due to recently introduced EU regulations. Is there any part of our lives that they can't affect without the citizens having a say in it. How do they expect to force people to pay for and present a food bin? Do you have to pay if the bin is empty? Also mentions that our recycling bins will be microchipped! Surely there are better uses for technology and this bs is adding to the cost which is always incresing. Also, says that general waste bins deemed to have too much food waste will not be collected and will get a sticker to say they are contaminated. How will they figure that? Are they gonna crawl into my bin?

I'd wager the bin men are none too happy about these new duties, typical example of those who are not going to have to actually do the work making it harder and more complicated.

I know it's only bins but IMO it exemplifies the way we will live from now on under the EU and our own corrupt and inept government: forced to pay a standing charge for everything they can think of, be it your bin, your water, tv/internet (when the Tv license becomes the broadcast charge), anything you need they will charge for, and in some cases you get charged whether you use it or not, meanwhile your property tax and income tax goes into a black hole and provides you with nothing in return.

What if I have my rent and other bills due or I need to buy oil, etc. on the week when they want to collect this food bin, am I meant to take money out of the paltry amount I have left over for buying food, to pay for an empty bin? When you can barely afford your weekly shopping you don't waste much food, I can tell you with certainty. The truth is the only way I could possibly fill a bin fortnightly with food is if I dump all the food I buy directly into it upon returning from the supermarket!

This really angers me but you know what, I can hardly see this being enforced in any way, no one I've spoken to seems to understand it, and I doubt the bin men really want the extra hassle or care how often I put out my bin or if a few banana peels make its way into my general waste. I certainly don't plan on paying for this food waste bin every two weeks if it's not full, and they can't force me to. Since the whole point is to reduce the general waste whch is landfill waste, the food waste, which is biodegradable, should just be included with the standing monthly charge. That way people will be encouraged to use it and at least then the standing charge could be justified. People will only be encouraged to avoid mking landfill waste if it will save them money. Making it more complicated and more expensive while forcing people into paying standing charges and putting a bin out on designated days will never work. Maybe in Germany, but not here.

phillo65

As all of you are saying the whole thing seems to be just another money grab exercise.The current system seems to work for anyone I've spoken too.Why fix something when its not broken.There are many things broken in this town and they won't bother their arse fixing them.One other thing,our elected reps are usually quick shoving leaflets in our doors telling us how great they are,no sign of them now.Oh yeah we now have to pay to recycle their rubbish pamphlets.Roll on the election in May.

Bebo stunnah

I had a good look at the thing Barna are sending out (I forget a few of the details)

1. €167 per 6 months. Then there's weight limits, all I can remember is €40kg for normal bin
2. €74 per 3 months, weight limits are a bit weird, think it was 100kg per quarter
3. €20 standing charge, plus pay per lift on each bin €9 for general bin, then a charge for overweight...

From my understanding, they do fortnightly collections, you do not have to put your bins out every 2 weeks. But that means they're doing half the collections but cost more.

I did a breakdown compared to what it's costing me now (€13/month) and the new price. Options 1 and 2 are nearly more than double. Option 3 is 2.50 more expensive with just the general bin going out.

phillo65 wrote: »

One other thing,our elected reps are usually quick shoving leaflets in our doors telling us how great they are,no sign of them now.

I got Rosaleen O'Gradys s#it through my door the day after the McGraths leaflet

tommyamnesia

Bebo stunnah wrote: »

I had a good look at the thing Barna are sending out (I forget a few of the details)

1. €167 per 6 months. Then there's weight limits, all I can remember is €40kg for normal bin
2. €74 per 3 months, weight limits are a bit weird, think it was 100kg per quarter
3. €20 standing charge, plus pay per lift on each bin €9 for general bin, then a charge for overweight...

From my understanding, they do fortnightly collections, you do not have to put your bins out every 2 weeks. But that means they're doing half the collections but cost more.

I did a breakdown compared to what it's costing me now (€13/month) and the new price. Options 1 and 2 are nearly more than double. Option 3 is 2.50 more expensive with just the general bin going out.


I got Rosaleen O'Gradys s#it through my door the day after the McGraths leaflet

I believe it's 20e standing charge every quarter which is 80e for year plus lifts.

sligoface

Bebo stunnah wrote: »

I had a good look at the thing Barna are sending out (I forget a few of the details)


From my understanding, they do fortnightly collections, you do not have to put your bins out every 2 weeks. But that means they're doing half the collections but cost more.

No, if you read the PDF from the council that was posted earlier it says you have to put the new food waste bin (which greenstar have not provided or mentioned in their pamphlet) out for collection every two weeks, to avoid the food rotting and such. What I can see happening is you top up your card and they start deducting 6 euro every two weeks for that bin on top of the standing charge which will cost you a fortune before you even get to putting out your recycling or general waste. I can't believe the local papers are not covering this, another blatant rip off being shoved down everyone's throats with poor communication and confusing everyone. The irony is they think this is going to deter illegal dumping and burning of waste, quite the opposite IMO.

Bebo stunnah

sligoface wrote: »

The irony is they think this is going to deter illegal dumping and burning of waste, quite the opposite IMO.

I'd say that was way down the list. Money was the top 3 things the companies and council had

sligoface

Bebo stunnah wrote: »

I'd say that was way down the list. Money was the top 3 things the companies and council had

Yeah but obviously they are not going to put that in the materials they released. Again, if you read the pdf from the sligo co council it has all the info, including the new rules and their supposed reasons for them, and they say the main reasons are to discourage landfill waste and illegal disposal of waste, and to be able to record the amounts of each type of waste to please the EU, who can penalize countries for non compliance.

It suggests wrapping your food waste (of which I would have very little) in newspapers (which I never buy) to discourage odors and pest issues related to having a bin of rotting food sitting for two weeks. Ffs it'll be a full time job just organizing my rubbish, on top of that I'll need to find a second job just to afford to have it taken away. I'd say more people will be looking for less than legal alternatives rather than use this overcomplicated and overpriced new system.

thebuzz

zorro2566 wrote: »

Greenstars pre pay plan seems to be the best for those who dont put out the bins too often

Prepay Plan
Initial Payment: €20.00
Monthly Charge: €4.16
Compost: €6.00
Recycling: €4.00
General Waste: €10.00

No it's not. The standing charge works out a tenner cheaper when you factor in the initial payment but they charge €6 for compost when Barna charge €2. Remember the compost bin has to go out every two weeks regardless of how much you use it.

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