Limerick City of Culture

suicide_circus

Incompetent Irish political gombeenism part 9653.

So first a buddy of the chairman Pat Cox is made ceo with no public competition. Then the artistic director resigns due to being hamstrung. Shane Ross in his role as public accounts Committee member has raised concerns and minister for state Joe Costello has labelled the project a "shambles".

So what could have been a good news story and a boost for the region has been sullied by incompetence, mismanagement and shleeveenism.

Business as usual.

Sir Arthur Daley

I feel your pain OP.

J_E

Limerick city has been hurting badly for a long time now. The new walkway is nice but to be honest the main streets are embarrassing to look at with all the closed shops and frozen scaffolding. Not to mention the nasty rep it has because of some bad apples ruining it all.

Orlaw3136

You can take some hoors to culture but you can't make them think.

My name is URL

Cydoniac wrote: »

Limerick city has been hurting badly for a long time now. The new walkway is nice but to be honest the main streets are embarrassing to look at with all the closed shops and frozen scaffolding. Not to mention the nasty rep it has because of some bad apples ruining it all.

It's gonna hurt for a while longer with Cat Pox heading this thing

krudler

Cydoniac wrote: »

Limerick city has been hurting badly for a long time now. The new walkway is nice but to be honest the main streets are embarrassing to look at with all the closed shops and frozen scaffolding. Not to mention the nasty rep it has because of some bad apples ruining it all.

The walkway is pretty class looking but there's sod all down there to warrant strolling along it, bar Clohessy's and the restaurants at the other end. It's a depressing, ugly town for the most part, Patrick St is a dump and it's the first thing people coming in from that side of the city see.

Manach

Limerick is hosting a yogurt festival?

Sir Arthur Daley

limerick tunnel is a great piece of engineering.

Muise...

Limerick, you're so shady.

Lapin

Just make Galway Ireland's permanent City of Culture and be done with it.

We know how to throw a party up here.

J_E

Lapin wrote: »

Just make Galway Ireland's permanent City of Culture and be done with it.

We know how to throw a party up here.

Yeah, how was this city of culture thing decided, because Limerick is probably the worst choice right now in terms of cities.

Nodin

Muise... wrote: »

Limerick, you're so shady.

Some kids did a song for the thing, and say Limerick could be 'rough' in one line. Yer wan, the CEO asks if it could be changed as its not the image they want to project.

Muise...

Nodin wrote: »

Some kids did a song for the thing, and say Limerick could be 'rough' in one line. Yer wan, the CEO asks if it could be changed as its not the image they want to project.

that's what I meant by shady.

An Coilean

Another issue I would have with this is that they got a grant of €6 million from An Roinn Chultúr agus Gaeltachta for a cultural festival, and not a sign of the Irish Language anywhere involved. It would seem that the language has nothing to do with culture here.

Muise...

An Coilean wrote: »

Another issue I would have with this is that they got a grant of €6 million from An Roinn Chultúr agus Gaeltachta for a cultural festival, and not a sign of the Irish Language anywhere involved. It would seem that the language has nothing to do with culture here.

Why would it? Limerick is not in the Gaeltacht so the money came from the Cultúr wing of the Roinn.

Orlaw3136

So just what is this national city of culture bollox anyway ?

From the press release announcing it back in 2012.

"An EU study in 2004 found that the designation of European Capital of Culture served as a catalyst for the cultural development and transformation of the chosen city, and it is aimed to replicate these benefits on the national stage through this initiative."

So, basically, it denotes a city where any form of culture is utterly absent. Meanwhile the locals (yokels ?) think they've been awarded a prize as opposed to having been identified as uncultured yobbos.

Thank god we've heaps of spare money to spend on this sort of thing is all I can say.

An Coilean

Muise... wrote: »

Why would it? Limerick is not in the Gaeltacht so the money came from the Cultúr wing of the Roinn.

You don't think the Irish language has any relevance to Irish culture outside of the Gaeltacht?

Nodin

Muise... wrote: »

that's what I meant by shady sunny and wonderful and appointed in an unorthodox but totally above board manner.

Absolutely.

The CEO was being paid 700 Euro a day as a consultant before they got the job, according to the news programme at one today.

WilyCoyote

A pox on Cox:mad:

Orlaw3136

An Coilean wrote: »

You don't think the Irish language has any relevance to Irish culture outside of the Gaeltacht?

Well, not that is has none whatsoever. Just fcuk all.

Muise...

An Coilean wrote: »

You don't think the Irish language has any relevance to Irish culture outside of the Gaeltacht?

I think it has as much relevance as Hungarian has to carpentry.

An Coilean

Muise... wrote: »

I think it has as much relevance as Hungarian has to carpentry.

What do you think culture is then?

WilyCoyote

Muise... wrote: »

Slim, you're so shady.

There ye are ......fyp!

darkpagandeath

An Coilean wrote: »

What do you think culture is then?

If I speak french am I french ?

Would just add I would think it's more Architecture, Music Anything particular unique language may be a common denominator . Are peoples in south America still Spanish and Portuguese ? Although I would say Irish is a beautiful language like many others

Muise...

An Coilean wrote: »

What do you think culture is then?

more bacterial than predetermined, for a start.

Orlaw3136

An Coilean wrote: »

What do you think culture is then?

Something that lets me get away with not observing basic societal norms and a certain amount of laws when it suits me...oh wait you meant the other sort...eh.........poems ?

Pumpkinseeds

An Coilean wrote: »

Another issue I would have with this is that they got a grant of €6 million from An Roinn Chultúr agus Gaeltachta for a cultural festival, and not a sign of the Irish Language anywhere involved. It would seem that the language has nothing to do with culture here.

For the vast majority of Irish people the Irish language holds no significance. I include myself in that. I personally feel that money spent promoting the Irish language is money badly spent. I'm not deliberately trying to offend anyone, I just think that it's time to stop flogging a dead horse.

An Coilean

Orlaw3136 wrote: »

Something that lets me get away with not observing basic societal norms when it suits me...oh wait you meant the other sort...eh.........poems ?

Right, so poetry in English is culture, poetry in Irish not?

Orlaw3136

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

For the vast majority of Irish people the Irish language holds no significance. I include myself in that. I personally feel that money spent promoting the Irish language is money badly spent. I'm not deliberately trying to offend anyone, I just think that it's time to stop flogging a dead horse.

...or at least consolidate it with Welsh or something.

An Coilean wrote: »

Right, so poetry in English is culture, poetry in Irish not?

It depends on whether I can get a grant for it.

An Coilean

Orlaw3136 wrote: »

It depends on whether I can get a grant for it.

Why, is €6 million not enough?

LOSTfan57

Muise... wrote: »

I think it has as much relevance as Hungarian has to carpentry.

Hungarian Carpenters would find Hungarian highly relevant when they learn about Carpentry.....

Lapin

Mad how a thread about the incompetence of the organisers of a bash in Limerick manages to turn into yet another AH argument on the relevance of the Irish language.

In less than 2 pages.


I blame the bankers, the Roma and the Shinners myself.

An Coilean

Lapin wrote: »

Mad how a thread about the incompetence of the organisers of a bask in Limerick manages to turn into yet another AH argument on the relevance of the Irish language.

In less than 2 pages.


I blame the bankers, the Roma and the Shinners myself.

There is not all that much to discuss with regard the incompetence of the organisers.

They're incompetent. /Thread.

Santa Cruz

"When I hear the word culture I reach for my revolver" or the weapon of choice in Limerick

Ralligher

Not like the people in limerick to protest....worked there about 6/7 years ago all the local tradesmen wanted to do was go on strike, moan , and try to stir up trouble amongst the non local workers, no wonder limerick city half deserted. Lonely planet described it as been a city best viewed in your rear view mirror. City of culture my a##

Ralligher

Not like the people in limerick to protest....worked there about 6/7 years ago all the local tradesmen wanted to do was go on strike, moan , and try to stir up trouble amongst the non local workers, no wonder limerick city half deserted. Lonely planet described it as been a city best viewed in your rear view mirror. City of culture my a##

WilyCoyote

Santa Cruz wrote: »

"When I hear the word culture I reach for my revolver" or the weapon of choice in Limerick

Hyde Rd bot?

My name is URL

Muise... wrote: »

I think it has as much relevance as Hungarian has to carpentry.

That's got to be one of the most asinine comments I've read on AH.

I don't speak Irish and don't particularly have any time for the language, but to say it has no place in Irish culture is just... fcukin' stupid really.

Just because you don't follow or have an active interest in a particular custom or tradition doesn't mean that it hasn't got a place in 'Irish culture', either currently or historically.

Judgement Day

My name is URL wrote: »

It's gonna hurt for a while longer with Cat Pox heading this thing

There are few gravy trains that this worm misses out on - what's his angle on this one?

Judgement Day

Well if a feckin hole like Derry/Londonderry can be UK City of Culture http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056791757 , there's no reason why Limerick shouldn't have a crack at being a City of Culture too - whatever one actually is.

Muahahaha

Isn't it just unreal the way Pat Cox installed his secretary as CEO of the culture festival without the need for the job to be advertised to the public. Then she goes and admits that she has zero experience whatsoever of working within the arts or with artists yet she is head of an organisation that is supposed to run over 120 artistic events throughout the year. Then she goes and tells two teenage rappers to change the lyrics in their song because she didnt like them. You really could not make this stuff up.
I feel sorry for the good people of Limerick and also for all the artists who just want to put on a good show and show off their city to the rest of us. But instead they found a gombeen politician in Pat Cox lumber them with a CEO who has already admitted that she is way out of her depth when it comes to running large scale artistic events. They've been let down badly yet again.

anncoates

They could do the old skit of a poster for the limerick city of culture with one lad holding up another lad with a knife with the logo (in Gothic script) "Is this a dagger I see before me?"

Muise...

My name is URL wrote: »

That's got to be one of the most asinine comments I've read on AH.

I don't speak Irish and don't particularly have any time for the language, but to say it has no place in Irish culture is just... fcukin' stupid really.

Just because you don't follow or have an active interest in a particular custom or tradition doesn't mean that it hasn't got a place in 'Irish culture', either currently or historically.

tóg go bog é a mhac!

I was reponding to this (my italics):

"You don't think the Irish language has any relevance to Irish culture outside of the Gaeltacht?"

Red Kev

Pat Cox. Jumped from one bandwagon party to another for whatever personal gain he could. End Kenny tried to foist him on us as President. One of the emptiest, most self serving politicians we,ve ever had, and he's put in charge of that. I wouldn't be surprised if Patricia Ryan is just the tip of the iceberg and a lot of other posts are filled by cronies, friends etc.

Bipolar Joe

I've said it many times, but Limerick has so much potential going to waste. It's home to a lot of good artists who really care about what they do, and the place is a fucking dump. Infested with scumbags right in the middle of the centre, filthy, most of the buildings are either devoid of life or literally hollow, just a shell. The garda are exasperated, the politicians don't give a shit. The first things you see when you roll into the station is a sprawl of fire charred, boarded up flats. Around the corner is the first of many Hell hole estates. Anywhere remotely nice soon becomes the new place to store the ever expanding group of assholes who make the county such a pain to live in.

There's so much can be done in Limerick, it's a crying shame.

Nodin

padd b1975 wrote: »

Very smart move booting those scobie rappers off the running order.

Credit where it's due there.

...what's this?

padd b1975

Nodin wrote: »

...what's this?

Oops!

My mistake, they were ordered to change the lyrics to one of their songs.

http://www.independent.ie/incoming/city-of-culture-boss-tries-to-alter-lyrics-of-rap-song-29885557.html

Nodin

padd b1975 wrote: »

Oops!

My mistake, they were ordered to change the lyrics to one of their songs.

http://www.independent.ie/incoming/city-of-culture-boss-tries-to-alter-lyrics-of-rap-song-29885557.html

Changing this was "proper order"?

"The line Ms Ryan objected to was in a verse that says: “The city’s looking rough when you’re walking on the bridge; It’s the city where we’re tough, there’s no place you’d rather live..."
http://www.independent.ie/incoming/city-of-culture-boss-tries-to-alter-lyrics-of-rap-song-29885557.html

padd b1975

Nodin wrote: »

Changing this was "proper order"?

"The line Ms Ryan objected to was in a verse that says: “The city’s looking rough when you’re walking on the bridge; It’s the city where we’re tough, there’s no place you’d rather live..."
http://www.independent.ie/incoming/city-of-culture-boss-tries-to-alter-lyrics-of-rap-song-29885557.html

The factual inaccuracy of my statement kinda makes whether its 'proper order' or not pretty much redundant.

Post has been deleted.

Think I need an early night.:(


For the record, I find Irish rappers pretty much cringeworthy right across the board.

Nodin

padd b1975 wrote: »

The factual inaccuracy of my statement kinda makes whether its 'proper order' or not pretty much redundant.

Post has been deleted.

Think I need an early night.:(


For the record, I find Irish rappers pretty much cringeworthy right across the board.

Fair play.

And yes, it grates on the ear. Not that I'm a fan of rap anyway. Not that I don't listen to stuff that others might say not so much grates as stabs at the ear.

Nodin

Yer woman is gone.....

"Embattled Limerick City of Culture chief executive Patricia Ryan has resigned saying that “speculation and commentary” about her €120,000 a year post in recent days had damaged her ability to do the job. "
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ryan-resigns-as-head-of-city-of-culture-1.1644899

I'd like to see Cox go to, if only for the smugness to vanish for a few seconds.