Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

thinkstoomuch1

I know it's football week etc and correctly so but point of note is shay boland has left Dublin hurling
Cunningjham is going to change he's back room team a bit
Cunningjham probably do lot coaching himself
Boland is good hurling man with under age in Dublin but I think him leaving is good think Dublin in its always hard management work with guy they got job ahead of
I think boland lot offer Dublin hurling but I think cunningjham game plan posession oriented and boland style play are different and I think next year Dublin will be totally posession oriented and won't be as much changing between style

Winning an all ireland is unlikely with kk ahead but I do expect Dublin to do well next year
Dublin have cork in the league at home in hurling next spring in its double header with football league game also in provision league fixtures
As regards sunday should be great games
As many know here I'm huge fan gavin and indeed fitzmaurice as being from cork doesn't blind me to know outstanding management when I see it
Sunday probably won't be a classic open game but a tactics master mind i expect
Two great footballers team but two imo geuine outstanding management tactically
There can only be one winner though

Paulzx

Slattsy wrote: »

How do people think the game will go anyway?

I can see Kerry being very defensive, like they were in last years final. Maybe even more so given our firepower.
Our half backs and half forwards running at them from deep will frighten the life out of em'. So they'll be very negative. Probably play 2 sweepers maybe?

Hope COS is fit, i thinks he's a huge player for us and a massive blow if he's out. Who replaces him if he's out? Will Small come in, or possible M Fitz will start with someone like Cooper playing the number 6?

Dublin by 5.

I think Kerry will be very conscious of keeping it tight defensively but I don't think it means they will be completely negative. With the talent they have up front it would be suicide to waste it on a completley negative gameplan.

First half will probably be tight with things opening up a bit more in the second as fatigue and both teams natural inclination to attack sets in.

If Mcmanoman comes on with 20 to go and scores a winning goal I'll cream myself on the spot:eek:

CurryFlavoured

Slattsy wrote: »

How do people think the game will go anyway?

I can see Kerry being very defensive, like they were in last years final. Maybe even more so given our firepower.
Our half backs and half forwards running at them from deep will frighten the life out of em'. So they'll be very negative. Probably play 2 sweepers maybe?

Hope COS is fit, i thinks he's a huge player for us and a massive blow if he's out. Who replaces him if he's out? Will Small come in, or possible M Fitz will start with someone like Cooper playing the number 6?

Dublin by 5.

Small 100%. Cian would be a big blow but I don't want him playing if he's not fully fit, 2 weeks to recover from a hammy injury isn't ideal.

Nidgeweasel

Slattsy wrote: »

I can see Kerry being very defensive, like they were in last years final. Maybe even more so given our firepower.

Our half backs and half forwards running at them from deep will frighten the life out of em'. So they'll be very negative. Probably play 2 sweepers maybe?

I think that's wishful thinking.

COS would be a massive loss would be harsh on the player too. Never like seeing lads missing out on finals etc.

Paranoid Mandroid

Does anyone know, if its a draw will replay be on the following Sunday?

DoctaDee

Paranoid Mandroid wrote: »

Does anyone know, if its a draw will replay be on the following Sunday?

Wouldn't say so .. the ladies are out the following Sunday

CurryFlavoured

What do we reckon for the team/matchups? I'd go with the same bar Rock for Alan or Kev, although I think Dean will get more space against Kerry. Bastick ahead of MD again who can come off the bench.

ROC on JOD, Philly on Geaney/Donaghy, COS on gooch if he's fit? Hard to know as JOD drifts out deep a lot more this season.

Flukey

Paranoid Mandroid wrote: »

Does anyone know, if its a draw will replay be on the following Sunday?

Given what's happened with the Hurling finals and the semi-finals this year and last year, it could be on the Saturday.

Kavrocks

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Shay Boland has left Dublin hurling

That's Cian Boland dropped...

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Cunningham is going to change he's back room team a bit

It'll be interesting to see what he does.

corny

Slattsy wrote: »

How do people think the game will go anyway?

I can see Kerry being very defensive, like they were in last years final. Maybe even more so given our firepower.
Our half backs and half forwards running at them from deep will frighten the life out of em'. So they'll be very negative. Probably play 2 sweepers maybe?

Hope COS is fit, i thinks he's a huge player for us and a massive blow if he's out. Who replaces him if he's out? Will Small come in, or possible M Fitz will start with someone like Cooper playing the number 6?

Dublin by 5.

Small is the only man with experience of playing that role this year (i think). If there's no change in gameplan its probably least disruptive if he plays. Mind you he's deserving of his place regardless imo. He did nothing wrong in the league or his cameos in the championship.

Cooper was too easily turned by Moran last day and also gave up a needless free. Looked a little leggy throughout for me. I think he should pay for it with his place. Fitzsimons has done enough to force his way back in.

BonnieSituation

corny wrote: »

Small is the only man with experience of playing that role this year (i think). If there's no change in gameplan its probably least disruptive if he plays. Mind you he's deserving of his place regardless imo. He did nothing wrong in the league or his cameos in the championship.

Cooper was too easily turned by Moran last day and also gave up a needless free. Looked a little leggy throughout for me. I think he should pay for it with his place. Fitzsimons has done enough to force his way back in.

Yup. I'd have Fitz in.

CurryFlavoured

Big Mick Fitz fan but i think Cooper will stay in, he's had bad days before and stayed in. Gavin likes his corner backs to fly forward like Jonny does.

I still think ROC and Fitz are our 2 best man markers so I'd have him on the pitch.

homerjay2005

Slattsy wrote: »

Lot of folk in the meeja tipping Kerry - lovely!

???? almost everybody ive seen has tipped Dublin.

id say if theres 10 pundits giving their views this week (ex current players & managers), 7 or 8 of them have picked Dublin.

BonnieSituation

homerjay2005 wrote: »

???? almost everybody ive seen has tipped Dublin.

id say if theres 10 pundits giving their views this week (ex current players & managers), 7 or 8 of them have picked Dublin.

Some seriously accurate stats there.

Only Pete McGrath is all I've seen tipping Dublin.

Don't ye prefer to be in the long grass anyway. Cute hoors and all that.

TBH, it is all Kerry in the media. Even with the pundits and ex-players on the radio it's been mostly Kerry from what I heard.

Does it really matter? All it does for me is mean I have less radio to hear as I can't stand listening to ex-Kerry players saying nothing but talking loads.

Dublin by a couple. I hope it's a miserable game to really wind ye up. Loads of puke football.

MaxPower89

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Some seriously accurate stats there.

Only Pete McGrath is all I've seen tipping Dublin.

McStay, Karl Lacey, Jim McGuinness, Paddy Heaney have gone for the Dubs.

BonnieSituation

MaxPower89 wrote: »

McStay, Karl Lacey, Jim McGuinness, Paddy Heaney have gone for the Dubs.

So that's 5 in total now.

MaxPower89

BonnieSituation wrote: »

So that's 5 in total now.

For Kerry I have: Oisin McConville, John Heslin, Dara O'Se, Aaron Kernan, Damien Lawlor.

So it's pretty even from what I see.

ProudDUB

A year ago, all the pundits and the dogs on the street, were predicting a big Dublin win over Donegal in the semi final.

We all know what happened there.

This year, most pundits were predicting a Mayo win in the semi final and in the replay....along the lines of " I just have a feeling that this is Mayos year....Dublin are under cooked." etc etc.

We all know what happened there.

I honestly don't care what the pundits think or say anymore. None of them are playing on Sunday. If one of them points out an area of strength or weakness, or an aspect of tactics that I hadn't thought of before....that's great. But when it comes to who they think will win, I really don't care anymore. It's irrelevant.

I think that Dublin will win because they have better players...not every where, but in most positions. They have a better bench and the 2 Mayo games will have blown any cobwebs of complacency out of their systems. I may be wrong, but there ya go.

But whether I am right or wrong on the outcome of the game, one thing is for sure. As in all AI finals, the game will be won by the side that has the most players that turn up on the day & whatever manager makes the best decisions on the sideline. The pundits have no effing clue how any of that is going to go, so I just don't care about them anymore.

Dubs by 4.

Saint Sonner

Sorry to go off point but I was just wondering how relegation worked in the Dublin football leagues? Is it teams straight down or are their playoffs involved?

Paulzx

ProudDUB wrote: »

. They have a better bench

I don't actually agree with you on that. This match is one of the few occasions when Dublin's opposition have a bench as strong as if not stronger than Dublin.

That's not to say that Dublin's bench can't win the game for us. We have a proven recent history of subs having a huge impact on a game.

However, for me Kerry have just as strong a bench on paper

ProudDUB

Games aren't played on paper Paulzx. They are played on the pitch. :P Before the Tyrone semifinal, I think I read that Kerrys top 3 scorers were all on the bench that day. That's great and Donaghy did have a massive impact last year. But compared to the overall long term influence that our subs have and have consistently had ....Kev Mc, MDMA, Bastic, Alan Brogan etc etc.... I think the scales tip in our favour. They've been doing it better and for longer than any other counties. It's also not just about who has better players on the bench. Some players are just not suited to the role, no matter how good they are. They are just not mentally wired to make the same contribution from the bench, as they do when they start. Our bench has been a big factor for so long now, our lads have the mental edge there too imo.

Or if you couldn't be bothered reading all that.

I have two word for you.

Kevin McMennamin.

End of discussion.

MaxPower89

Paulzx wrote: »

I don't actually agree with you on that. This match is one of the few occasions when Dublin's opposition have a bench as strong as if not stronger than Dublin.

That's not to say that Dublin's bench can't win the game for us. We have a proven recent history of subs having a huge impact on a game.

However, for me Kerry have just as strong a bench on paper

I'm biased but I'd pick our bench every day of the week. Outside of Brogan, none of the rest are great attacking options imo. If Rock has another stinker, then Alan comes on. If another gets injured/black carded then you are bringing far less claibre of player.

MDMA or Bastic
Fitzsimons
McManamon
Alan Brogan
Eric Lowndes
John Small
Costello

v

Paul Geaney or Donaghy
Darran O'Sullivan
BJ Keane
Tommy Walsh
Fionn Fitzgerald
Aidan O'Mahony

salmocab

MaxPower89 wrote: »

I'm biased but I'd pick our bench every day of the week. Outside of Brogan, none of the rest are great attacking options imo. If Rock has another stinker, then Alan comes on. If another gets injured/black carded then you are bringing far less claibre of player.

MDMA or Bastic
Fitzsimons
McManamon
Alan Brogan
Eric Lowndes
John Small
Costello

v

Paul Geaney or Donaghy
Darran O'Sullivan
BJ Keane
Tommy Walsh
Fionn Fitzgerald
Aidan O'Mahony

Mc Manamon not a decent attacker?

MaxPower89

salmocab wrote: »

Mc Manamon not a decent attacker?

My bad....

I would still take our combined 10 forwards over yours by a long way.

Andrews had a good day v Mayo, but will he preform the next day? Flynn off form, booting bad wides. Connolly I expect to be back to his usual standard in the final. Kilkenny I expect to have a stormer.

Rock I just can't see him having much influence, maybe if he gets a few handy frees early door to get the nerves settled, but I just can't see it.

Ciano will be a huge loss for you imo.

DARK-KNIGHT

Best of luck lads. Will be watching the match from pub stool but hope our leinster brethren do it.

ProudDUB

MaxPower89 wrote: »

My bad....

I would still take our combined 10 forwards over yours by a long way.

Andrews had a good day v Mayo, but will he preform the next day? Flynn off form, booting bad wides. Connolly I expect to be back to his usual standard in the final. Kilkenny I expect to have a stormer.

Rock I just can't see him having much influence, maybe if he gets a few handy frees early door to get the nerves settled, but I just can't see it.

Ciano will be a huge loss for you imo.

It's not just about the forwards scoring big goals pts, or contributing towards them being scored. Look at what MDMA did against ye back in 2013. One diving lunge from him and BOOM the ball was in the back of the net 15 seconds later. In the 2013 final, Dennis Bastick came on and within about 45 seconds, Berno had the ball in the back of the net thanks to a brilliant pass from him. One of them will be coming off the bench on Sunday. Who do you have if Maher or Moran begin to tire or are injured or in poor form? (Was Maher not carrying a knock in the semifinal?) Add in what Alan Brogan contributes too and the energy, vision and match days smarts they they all contribute - and have a history of contributing - really, really stacks up.

corny

MaxPower89 wrote: »

My bad....

I would still take our combined 10 forwards over yours by a long way.

Andrews had a good day v Mayo, but will he preform the next day? Flynn off form, booting bad wides. Connolly I expect to be back to his usual standard in the final. Kilkenny I expect to have a stormer.

Rock I just can't see him having much influence, maybe if he gets a few handy frees early door to get the nerves settled, but I just can't see it.

Ciano will be a huge loss for you imo.

A long way is a gross exaggeration but i probably agree with you that Kerry have greater depth. However, the damage Dublins in form starters and impact subs can do shouldn't be taken lightly. Not saying you are of course.

Its actually a fine achievement that Dublin are still effective in racking up scores. O' Gara and Mannion missing, Costello in the doldrums, Rock not contributing from play as one would hope and Flynn our 4 time All Star not having the season we've got used to seeing. Testament to the lads steeping up no doubt.

Funny that. McCaffrey and KK got lost in the 2013 final. Now we're hoping, and expecting, they carry us to victory.

MaxPower89

ProudDUB wrote: »

It's not just about the forwards scoring big goals pts, or contributing towards them being scored. Look at what MDMA did against ye back in 2013. One diving lunge from him and BOOM the ball was in the back of the net 15 seconds later. In the 2013 final, Dennis Bastick came on and within about 45 seconds, Berno had the ball in the back of the net thanks to a brilliant pass from him. One of them will be coming off the bench on Sunday. Who do you have if Maher or Moran begin to tire or are injured or in poor form? (Was Maher not carrying a knock in the semifinal?) Add in what Alan Brogan contributes too and the energy, vision and match days smarts they they all contribute - and have a history of contributing - really, really stacks up.

I take your points, but MDMA was good for 10 mins against Mayo with O'Shea in the bin, and Parsons tongue was hanging out, he was dispossed the first 3 times too. EF will have a plan for that happening, likewise for when Alan and McMenamum comes on, I would guess Fionn and O'Mahony will come on and stick like glue, easier said than done of course.

Moran was carrying a knock in the semi, didnt have his best game, but was solid enough. Probably Tommy Walsh or Sheehan would go to midfield if one of the lads is whacked. They generally stay on for the full 70 though.

Alan has smarts no doubt, but Darran/Star/Tommy/Keane have more than enough smarts, medals falling out of their pockets and have serious legs and speed to come in. More than Dublin overall I would think. I can see Darran coming in and burning whoever he is on.

I would imagine ye will stick with the same 6 backs for most of the game. I don't think Cian's absence(presume) is being fully appreciated yet, but will once the game starts.

MaxPower89

corny wrote: »

Funny that. McCaffrey and KK got lost in the 2013 final. Now we're hoping, and expecting, they carry us to victory.

Both have come of age this year, McCaffery is the leader in the backs imo, taking ownership and driving the team up the field. These 2 and Brogan have been different class.

Stoner

MaxPower89 wrote:

Alan has smarts no doubt, but Darran/Star/Tommy/Keane have more than enough smarts, medals falling out of their pockets and have serious legs and speed to come in. More than Dublin overall I would think. I can see Darran coming in and burning whoever he is on.

At the end of the day this Dublin team has seen all these smarts before.

Whole lot of puffing going on about players we've all seen before, the lads have been here before, talking about lads only playing well for ten minutes when there are lads on the Kerry bench back from retirement and oz who haven't produced for a significant amount of time years in some cases.

Lots of gaps on both benches. Roll on Sunday,I think it will be open football.

May the best team win