[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman **NO STREAMING REQUESTS**

MarkY91

Panic E wrote: »

They were saying that Pacman had a big meal before the weigh in.

Interesting to see what they weigh tomorrow, I'd say Floyd +10lbs

Yeah I know think mannys bar was a high carb one but I could be mistaken. He gave half if it away though lol

Talib Fiasco

I have a sneaky feeling that Floyd has overtrained for this...we'll know soon enough if I am right but I think he might have left too much in the gym this time round

gzoladz

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

I have a sneaky feeling that Floyd has overtrained for this...we'll know soon enough if I am right but I think he might have left too much in the gym this time round

How many days in advance would typically they have stopped training to rest and be in top form for the fight?

Talib Fiasco

gzoladz wrote: »

How many days in advance would typically they have stopped training to rest and be in top form for the fight?

With the last week or so I would presume most fighters would be doing light training to keep up stamina and fitness and sharpness with their punching but not heavy to prevent muscle fatigue and risk of injury/tiring. Similar to how any athlete would be doing light training before a match....although you cannot really compare it, it's like in the GAA where your last training or two would be just a kick around and some light running. I would presume Floyd and Manny would be doing some cardio and mitts/punch bag maybe two days ago and yesterday maybe some light treadmill to make sure they'll stay under the weight limit.

Big Ears

Clareman wrote: »

It's all about the cost of the fight in the broadcasters area, in Thailand there probably isn't much competition for viewing rights so the cost is tiny, the rights holders would just have the option of taking whatever their given or nothing at all, over here there would be a bidding war, Box Nation, Sky, ITV, BBC would all have put in a bid, I would imagine Sky are paying a nice premium for it as well as a share of the PPV revenues which none of the other could match.

While your point is valid, BBC won't have bid. You can be pretty sure of that.

gzoladz wrote: »

How many days in advance would typically they have stopped training to rest and be in top form for the fight?

In most sports athletes use a 2 week taper when preparing for big events. Most of the time in boxing this tends to be only a week, but then again for the majority of boxers a training camp will only last 6-8 weeks (due to the notice for a fight) not 10-12.
They'll have scaled back training massively in the last week, perhaps even in the last 10 days. As Talib Fiasco says, mainly just keeping sharp, usually most of what they do will be technique based, the hard work is over.

Other fighters would still be doing quite a lot of cardio just to help shed the weight (water really), but these guys probably won't have had to do much of that in the last few days.

walshb wrote: »

No real difference. I thought he would have came in right on the weight limit to make sort of a statement that he is the true WW. Floyd is a perfectionist, and that 1 lb under the limit? Miscalculation on Floyd's part? I know it's only a lb, but for someone so dedicated and meticulous, it stands out.

Manny has come in at 145 a few times before; Mosley, Rios, Bradley Jnr and was only 143 3/4 against Algieri. He probably new he'd be fooling no one by just being 147 for the sake of it.
As for Floyd, 146 is a common weight for him, Maidana I, Guerrero, Mosley, Marquez, Judah and Baldomir he came in at that weight.
He might be the bigger man here, but he's not a massive Welterweight. He won't have struggled too much to get there so the 1lb under isn't a big deal.

Henno30

walshb wrote: »

No real difference. I thought he would have came in right on the weight limit to make sort of a statement that he is the true WW. Floyd is a perfectionist, and that 1 lb under the limit? Miscalculation on Floyd's part? I know it's only a lb, but for someone so dedicated and meticulous, it stands out.

Thought the same. It leads me to believe that all the talk about Floyd having trained for power (the wood chopping, the claims about going for the knockout and knocking out sparring partners) has all been misdirection on the part of the Mayweather camp.

Floyd looks like he did before the Guerrero fight, which was when he refocused his entire camp on speed and elusiveness after being caught on the ropes so much against Cotto.

Tactically it makes a lit more sense for Floyd to fight that sort of fight. Walking into Manny's wheelhouse has never been a good idea, but forcing him to cut the distance always has been.

I think it's more likely that we see Floyd on his bicycle tonight. The interesting thing is that he doesn't have the legs to do for 12 rounds anymore, but you have to wonder if Manny still has the legs to mke him pay for that.

househero

Copper_pipe wrote: »

https://www.periscope.tv/

Ah its only for iOS

I may try Meerkat instead

I'll have to try watching something before the fight so I don't miss it, its still not too clear how it works or how I find the right stream

Talib Fiasco

If Floyd has indeed trained for power in order to try and KO Manny chances are he'll break his hands before he achieves that tbh. If he's that foolish to follow the line of Bradley II and Marquez IV then he's gonna p*ss away any chance of beating Manny.

jackb123456789

I want a punt at this fight tonight. Any tips?

Talib Fiasco

jackb123456789 wrote: »

I want a punt at this fight tonight. Any tips?

Draw and Manny points is what I have.

walshb

Henno30 wrote: »

Thought the same. It leads me to believe that all the talk about Floyd having trained for power (the wood chopping, the claims about going for the knockout and knocking out sparring partners) has all been misdirection on the part of the Mayweather camp.

Floyd looks like he did before the Guerrero fight, which was when he refocused his entire camp on speed and elusiveness after being caught on the ropes so much against Cotto.

Tactically it makes a lit more sense for Floyd to fight that sort of fight. Walking into Manny's wheelhouse has never been a good idea, but forcing him to cut the distance always has been.

I think it's more likely that we see Floyd on his bicycle tonight. The interesting thing is that he doesn't have the legs to do for 12 rounds anymore, but you have to wonder if Manny still has the legs to mke him pay for that.

I can't see Manny making Floyd get on his bike. Manny isn't that type of fighter, unless he lands hard and clean and creates runners (Cotto/Algieri). Floyd will use a lot less leg movement here than against fighters who pushed him back and made him move. Manny's whole key to victory is to get in and get out. That's it. He has to be able to land his shots and escape return fire. I can't see him doing this against Floyd's range and ring generalship

Manny pushing Floyd around the ring and Manny directing the flow of movement is jutst not going to happen. Floyd is bigger, stronger and will not allow that.

Deco99

jackb123456789 wrote: »

I want a punt at this fight tonight. Any tips?

Fight not going the distance is 11/5. I think thats not bad considering manny may have to KO to win and leave himself open to flloyd. Be cheering every punch to be a knockout

FTA69

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

With the last week or so I would presume most fighters would be doing light training to keep up stamina and fitness and sharpness with their punching but not heavy to prevent muscle fatigue and risk of injury/tiring.

Wish you were around to advise me on Thursday!

What you say is spot on, but I highly doubt Floyd would have over trained. He's in the game long enough.

Talib Fiasco

Deco99 wrote: »

Fight not going the distance is 11/5. I think thats not bad considering manny may have to KO to win and leave himself open to flloyd. Be cheering every punch to be a knockout

Manny will need over 1000 punches to have Floyd in danger of being KO'd I feel...so you're gonna be very very hoarse cheering every one of his punches :pac:

Peist2007

Deco99 wrote: »

Fight not going the distance is 11/5. I think thats not bad considering manny may have to KO to win and leave himself open to flloyd. Be cheering every punch to be a knockout

That's a good bet. I think Pacquaio is going to knock him out though, don't know why as Floyd never loses. But tonight has a feel about it, could be a classic

Mr_Muffin

One thing I've always wondered about big fights like this is do they ever have trouble sleeping the night before?

I remember Beckham saying he used to take a sleeping tablet the night before big games to ensure a decent nights kip - maybe boxers do this as well?

househero

Really? Wouldn't that stay in your system and scree up your performance.

Beckham was always weak minded. I'm sure Manny and nay at this mature point in their careers are well versed in their preparations...

A bubble bath and candles before bed

K4t

househero wrote: »

Really? Wouldn't that stay in your system and scree up your performance.

Beckham was always weak minded. I'm sure Manny and nay at this mature point in their careers are well versed in their preparations...

A bubble bath and candles before bed

Beckham was a warrior on the pitch. Suffering nerves, having a soft voice and dying one's hair blonde, are not signs of having a weak mind. He did the business on the pitch his whole career and was always among those players who dug the deepest. He was closer to Keane on the pitch than a player who was mentally weak.

Anyway..will there be any Irish radio stations featuring fight commentary tonight?

froog

anyone betting? i have 60 quid on manny win and 10 quid the draw.

anto77

K4t wrote: »

Anyway..will there be any Irish radio stations featuring fight commentary tonight?

Jimmy Magee will be ringside apparently so you can stick sky on mute!

ComfortKid

10r on Manny in round 7 (35/1)
And 10r Manny by KO (5/1)

anto77

froog wrote: »

anyone betting? i have 60 quid on manny win and 10 quid the draw.

The only bet I see some value in is floyd by ko, floyd will be bigger and stronger and I can see him landing some sharp counters. I fear manny could suffer a similar fate as he did against Marquez and end up face down. Also will have a small bet on the draw.

FTA69

A hundred and ten sheets on Floyd by decision at 8/11. I'll be rolling in British pounds by 5.30am.

walshb

Squirting Female wrote: »

While I agree with this that all goes out the windows if Manny is the much fitter man on the night, who knows if at 38 time finally catches up with Floyd.

I don't see cardio fitness being of major importance. Floyd is very economical, and more so lately. Throws little, moves only when he needs to. Now, what happens IF Manny is falling short and missing the target a whole lot more than he used to, as well as eating counters and leading shots? That can have a negative effect on your work rate and your heart and lungs, as well as being mentally exhausting.

Floyd is not the one who needs to make things happen here. Manny is. Floyd has the reach and range advantage. That will be crucial to the flow and pace of the fight.

Talib Fiasco

200 hundred on Manny points and 50 on the draw. Once I get hammered I'll probably lump something on a KO.

qwabercd

Mayweather on points for me, fantastic value. PP offering a free in play bet of €10 if you bet €20 pre fight FWIW.

menoscemo

anto77 wrote: »

The only bet I see some value in is floyd by tko, floyd will be bigger and stronger and I can see him landing some sharp counters. I fear manny could suffer a similar fate as he did against Marquez and end up face down. Also will have a small bet on the draw.

Floyd by Points is currently 10/11 and drifting. In my mind the bookies are giving away money on that one. I am gonna wait to see if it drifts to evens but will be lumping at least €100 on it.

RasTa

This on live anywhere in Dublin?

MarkY91

everyone posting their bets seems to be on manny but everyone predicting the outcome is saying floyd.

the whole year inn

Putting 100 on Mayweather to be award a Knock down 10/3 with bet365