2014 Champion Hurdle

mdwexford

jimjamcos wrote: »

Can't see them running him at Punchestown unless HF totally bombs at Cheltenham which is highly unlikely. Could run him in the Aintree Hurdle but 2m4 and decent ground for first time would be madness IMO given their current reservations about giving him a hard time. I think it's odds on we wont see him properly tested till next season. They might find him another Micky Mouse race just to keep the owners on side and finish off the season but little else I'd guess.

If he doesn't run at any of the big festivals it's beyond stupid.

Wouldn't be that surprised though because I'd imagine Annie Power is a cert for Aintree.

hucklebuck

Nuts102 wrote: »

Is this new accounts i have an account with Lads but never used mobile. Looks a fairly good offer for people taking on HF.

I have an account with them, haven't used it in ages and I can take up the offer. You can click the link I posted from your phone and it will bring you through.

hucklebuck

mdwexford wrote: »

If he doesn't run at any of the big festivals it's beyond stupid.

Wouldn't be that surprised though because I'd imagine Annie Power is a cert for Aintree.

Punchestown looks to be the only race for him if he doesn't go in the Champion but it's Hurricane Fly again.

If he doesn't run in any of the big races this year connections should be committed, rare you get a horse of his ability and to just sit back and let him run in poor race after poor race is madness.

What are they going to do next year when Willie has HF and Vatour and God knows who else going for the Champion.

jimjamcos

mdwexford wrote: »

If he doesn't run at any of the big festivals it's beyond stupid.

Wouldn't be that surprised though because I'd imagine Annie Power is a cert for Aintree.

Exactly. If AP runs and runs well in the World Hurdle and HF runs well in the Champion, then that will be the natural split with Quevega getting her run in Irish long distance hurdle. It will leave UDS in nomansland again.

redzerdrog

hucklebuck wrote: »

Punchestown looks to be the only race for him if he doesn't go in the Champion but it's Hurricane Fly again.

If he doesn't run in any of the big races this year connections should be committed, rare you get a horse of his ability and to just sit back and let him run in poor race after poor race is madness.

What are they going to do next year when Willie has HF and Vatour and God knows who else going for the Champion.

i'd imagine Vautour will be chasing next year

Colonel Sanders

TONY MCCOY has elected to ride My Tent Or Yours in the Stan James Champion Hurdle the at Cheltenham Festival next month in preference to Jezki.

Read the full story at: http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/my-tent-or-yours-a-p-mccoy-mccoy-goes-for-my-tent-in-champion-hurdle/1610027/

RichieLawlor

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

TONY MCCOY has elected to ride My Tent Or Yours in the Stan James Champion Hurdle the at Cheltenham Festival next month in preference to Jezki.

Read the full story at: http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/my-tent-or-yours-a-p-mccoy-mccoy-goes-for-my-tent-in-champion-hurdle/1610027/

Well he was never going to ride the pacemaker

Colonel Sanders

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Well he was never going to ride the pacemaker

No wasn't a huge surprise but confirmed now

ft9

Wasn't there someone on here adamant he would be on Jezki?

kiers47

ft9 wrote: »

Wasn't there someone on here adamant he would be on Jezki?

Premier stone I believe.
Offered me a bet on it but I passed on it.

ste2010

I also heard he was going to ride jezki...that was before the Irish champion though

Huntley

Some second rate journalists mentioned McCoy was going to ride Jezki according to people on here. It was always rubbish, the second in command in Harrington's yard was fairly sure McCoy wasn't going to be on their horse before he even ran in the Irish Champion.

RichieLawlor

I think it's pretty clear, after McCoy saying Jezki might be ridden more aggressively that Jezki will make the pace for MTOY

hucklebuck

I never understand why people believe so much of the trainers, jockeys and press talk before the festival. You would see less smoke and mirrors at a Paul Daniels gig.

Panrich

jimjamcos wrote: »

Can't see them running him at Punchestown unless HF totally bombs at Cheltenham which is highly unlikely. Could run him in the Aintree Hurdle but 2m4 and decent ground for first time would be madness IMO given their current reservations about giving him a hard time. I think it's odds on we wont see him properly tested till next season. They might find him another Micky Mouse race just to keep the owners on side and finish off the season but little else I'd guess.

Surely the owners of UDS will have pulled Willie aside and said that if they swerve Cheltenham in favour of HF that they should be getting first dibs on Punchestown. HF has had all the entries at Leopardstown, Cheltenham so far while UDS is running in Mickey Mouse races all winter.

jimjamcos

Panrich wrote: »

Surely the owners of UDS will have pulled Willie aside and said that if they swerve Cheltenham in favour of HF that they should be getting first dibs on Punchestown. HF has had all the entries at Leopardstown, Cheltenham so far while UDS is running in Mickey Mouse races all winter.

By the sounds of it Willie has convinced the owners and many others that the horse is a danger to himself this season so that gives him ample reason/opportunity to wait till next season with him. As long as Mullins is winning he'll get away with it but if HF is beaten in the big one and/or Punchestown, questions will probably be asked..

redzerdrog

UDS wouldn't be placed in the champion hurdle this year so there is no point running him in such a tough race and risk fecking him up altogether

jimjamcos

redzerdrog wrote: »

UDS wouldn't be placed in the champion hurdle this year so there is no point running him in such a tough race and risk fecking him up altogether

And that's based on...

The fact he has beaten little means exactly that, little. You have absolutely no idea whether he's good enough to place in a CH or not.

Huntley

If Un De Sceaux doesn't line up he will have been deemed not good enough to run in the Champion Hurdle this season. It would take a peculiar individual to suggest he is good enough to place or win when his connections don't even feel he is worth entering.

If Hurricane Fly doesn't turn up it would be Annie Power filling the void as well.

jimjamcos

Huntley wrote: »

If Un De Sceaux doesn't line up he will have been deemed not good enough to run in the Champion Hurdle this season. It would take a peculiar individual to suggest he is good enough to place or win when his connections don't even feel he is worth entering.

If Hurricane Fly doesn't turn up it would be Annie Power filling the void as well.

Are you speaking on behalf of Willie Mullins?

A trainer "looking after" an inexperienced horse doesn't necessarily mean it cannot place, particularly when the trainer has the favourite in the same race.

It would take a peculiar individual to mind-read Willie Mullins and connections thoughts with such confidence. He is entered, just wont be declared.

Huntley

You don't leave horses at home who you think are good enough to win or place in a Champion Hurdle. If he doesn't line up it tells you all you need to know about his place or win prospects.

You seem utterly clueless to this which is evident in the tedious rubbish that has been ongoing for weeks. Any injustice with the horse not running is a facet of your imagination. If they feel he isn't ready to give his running in this years Champion Hurdle than he probably isn't.

mulbot

saw here that PW mullins drew a line of form through champagne fever beating MTOY last year as a way of doin away with his chances against HF in this years champion hurdle-whats ur views on this? if we were to think the same he's a great lay bet

jimjamcos

Huntley wrote: »

You don't leave horses at home who you think are good enough to win or place in a Champion Hurdle. If he doesn't line up it tells you all you need to know about his place or win prospects.

You seem utterly clueless to this which is evident in the tedious rubbish that has been ongoing for weeks. Any injustice with the horse not running is a facet of your imagination. If they feel he isn't ready to give his running in this years Champion Hurdle than he probably isn't.

Does the need to condescend ever get tiresome?

You can leave horses good enough to place in a CH at home if you're as powerful as Willie Mullins and it's in their long-term interest. It doesn't mean they're not good enough. You seem to have difficulty distinguishing the difference between minding a horse and thinking it's a hound.

Here's some facts:

1: The horse is unbeaten, having never been off the bridle.

2: The horse has never had another horse get within 6l of him.

3: The horse is inexperienced and needed to learn how to race/settle this season.

4: The horse has a Champion Hurdle entry and has had other Gr1 entries.

5: The horse is the future. WPM: “Obviously he is hugely talented for the future, we were happy to keep him under the radar and that’s where I’d like to keep him.”

Un De Sceaux was 1/3 for a potential match with Melodic Rendezvous, who will be lining up in the CH, a few weeks back in England. The Bookies clearly think he'd have a place chance in a CH.

FWIW, I've no problem with Urban and some of the others on here slating his price as 10's was pretty short for what he's beaten. But how anyone can confidently state that he's not going to Cheltenham because he's not good enough is laughable.

Nobody knows the limit of UDS's ability (Ruby: "How long is a piece of string?"). But you can keep on believing you do, you peculiar fellow you..

triggerharvey

mulbot wrote: »

saw here that PW mullins drew a line of form through champagne fever beating MTOY last year as a way of doin away with his chances against HF in this years champion hurdle-whats ur views on this? if we were to think the same he's a great lay bet

got a sneaky feeling MTOY is going to hack up on the bridle in the champion hurdle

redzerdrog

jimjamcos wrote: »

Does the need to condescend ever get tiresome?

You can leave horses good enough to place in a CH at home if you're as powerful as Willie Mullins and it's in their long-term interest. It doesn't mean they're not good enough. You seem to have difficulty distinguishing the difference between minding a horse and thinking it's a hound.

Here's some facts:

1: The horse is unbeaten, having never been off the bridle.

2: The horse has never had another horse get within 6l of him.

3: The horse is inexperienced and needed to learn how to race/settle this season.

4: The horse has a Champion Hurdle entry and has had other Gr1 entries.

5: The horse is the future. WPM: “Obviously he is hugely talented for the future, we were happy to keep him under the radar and that’s where I’d like to keep him.”

Un De Sceaux was 1/3 for a potential match with Melodic Rendezvous, who will be lining up in the CH, a few weeks back in England. The Bookies clearly think he'd have a place chance in a CH.

FWIW, I've no problem with Urban and some of the others on here slating his price as 10's was pretty short for what he's beaten. But how anyone can confidently state that he's not going to Cheltenham because he's not good enough is laughable.

Nobody knows the limit of UDS's ability (Ruby: "How long is a piece of string?"). But you can keep on believing you do, you peculiar fellow you..

I think point number 3 is the key reason why he wouldnt place in the CH this year. He runs very free and has had everything his own way thus far I think the relentlessness of the CH along with it being his first real test could actually ruin the horse in the long term

jimjamcos

redzerdrog wrote: »

I think point number 3 is the key reason why he wouldnt place in the CH this year. He runs very free and has had everything his own way thus far I think the relentlessness of the CH along with it being his first real test could actually ruin the horse in the long term

I agree, that would have been a concern (as would the preliminaries) but, again, there'll be no conclusive evidence until he's put in such a position. We're all guessing.

mdwexford

mulbot wrote: »

saw here that PW mullins drew a line of form through champagne fever beating MTOY last year as a way of doin away with his chances against HF in this years champion hurdle-whats ur views on this? if we were to think the same he's a great lay bet

I think it's stupid to think he isn't stronger and faster than he was last year.

RichieLawlor

triggerharvey wrote: »

got a sneaky feeling MTOY is going to hack up on the bridle in the champion hurdle

No

jimjamcos

mdwexford wrote: »

I think it's stupid to think he isn't stronger and faster than he was last year.

Didn't Ruby also say MTOY is the one he likes (HF aside) if learning to settle? And he rode CF!

Huntley

jimjamcos wrote: »

Does the need to condescend ever get tiresome?

I don't need to be condescending when discussing with people who actually have half a clue. If I was so dangerously clueless as you are I would like to be informed. You're a lost cause. The racingpost will only educate you up to a point and you just don't have it. You might show me something of note that has proved valuable to the forum should you disagree.

Rinse and repeat the below until you can grasp it. The alternative being to close your eyes and pretend the Champion Hurdler elect is being unfairly kept away from the race.

Huntley wrote: »

You don't leave horses at home who you think are good enough to win or place in a Champion Hurdle. If he doesn't line up it tells you all you need to know about his place or win prospects.