Pubs on xmas day

crazygeryy

Nah keep em closed one bloody day won't kill anyone. And this rule that golf clubs and rugby clubs can open for members is rubbish to it should be made illegal. Go home and spend the day with your family rather than in a pub.

Iggy154

I worked in a hotel on Christmas Day once. I resented it and took it out on the customers. Opening pubs on Christmas day would create more trouble than it is worth. Pub crawls followed by public order trouble, arrests and childhood memories of drunks missing from dinner. All opening pubs on Christmas day would do is increase misery.

anncoates

Couldn't be bothered whining about theist oppression just because pubs close on two days of the year but I'm sure there would be a decent number of places prepared to open and people to work on Christmas Day.

partyatmygaff

Mr.S wrote: »

Some people:

Don't have family
Don't want to spend a day with them

or


Familys want to go to the pub together
Some familys don't care if people pop off for a few hours before/after dinner for a pint

Some people just want a pint down the pub on Christmas

And most (with very few exceptions) restaurant/bar staff want a guaranteed day off.

You could say the staff should ask for a holiday but they'll be at the mercy of their employer.

dundalkfc10

Iggy154 wrote: »

I worked in a hotel on Christmas Day once. I resented it and took it out on the customers. Opening pubs on Christmas day would create more trouble than it is worth. Pub crawls followed by public order trouble, arrests and childhood memories of drunks missing from dinner. All opening pubs on Christmas day would do is increase misery.

Surely they should be closed every day then?
Pub crawls happen regularly in towns and cities every weekend in Ireland leading to public order trouble and arrests.
Many a man (and woman) went to the local on a normal day and missed dinner

Frank Lee Midere

Chancer3001 wrote: »

I can't get over the amount of people grasping to the "staff day off" nonsense.

Book the day off. Hire somebody who doesn't care about working that day. Get a job in a different industry.

Should we close airports? Shops? Hotels? Restaurants? Petrol stations?

An absolute nonsensical argument.

Most of those are closed today. All offices are closed. Public Transport is not running. The obsession is with pubs.

anncoates

systemicrisk wrote: »

Do you not think its important to have one day a year that everyone can have a day off and spend time together. Im from a big family and this is only time we are all off at same time. We are all living away from home and it is something I really look forward to every year. I am no in any way religious.

This may sound like an amazing concept but perhaps some families might actually go to the pub together?

Frank Lee Midere

GarIT wrote: »

No, you shouldn't be forced into it. I'm all for protecting peoples right to have the day off if they want though.

Just because you like to do something doesn't make it right to force other people to do it.

I am yet to see one argument against making laws to ensure people in every industry dont have to work of they don't want to and then lifting the other restrictions.

You've had plenty of arguments. You just didn't like them. And "protecting peoples right to have the day off if they want" won't work if the pubs are busy. It will be "work xMas or get fired". After all staff can hardly expect to take Dec 31st off. Not all of them.

it's always pubs. Never a thread about bank holidays forcing office workers to not work. Pubs stay open bank holidays so no bother. Nobody gets upset with the 48 hour work week - except some bat shít crazy libertarians.

But when a pub closes a section of the most pub and alcohol adoring country in the world gets the shakes even though they can totally scuttered at home and can invite whom they want if they hate their family.

Take a day off. You can drink at home.

Frank Lee Midere

anncoates wrote: »

This may sound like an amazing concept but perhaps some families might actually go to the pub together?

While that happens in England, I think Irish pubs would be full of single men who hate family and angry new atheists sticking it to the man.

In any case we are talking about the workers too. Their right to time off.

Iggy154

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Surely they should be closed every day then?
Pub crawls happen regularly in towns and cities every weekend in Ireland leading to public order trouble and arrests.
Many a man (and woman) went to the local on a normal day and missed dinner

It is bad enough during the year with all the stupid drinking that goes on. Having to quadruple the number of gardai on duty as well as the number of A&E nurses and doctors in addition to the making of Christmas day a misery for many people who just want their families together for one day just so some people can go to a pub is ridiculous.

Aidric

Iggy154 wrote: »

Opening pubs on Christmas day would create more trouble than it is worth. Pub crawls followed by public order trouble, arrests and childhood memories of drunks missing from dinner. All opening pubs on Christmas day would do is increase misery.

That's simply conjecture on your part. It should be at the discretion of the publican if they wish to open their premises or not.

Henlars67

Anyone who is saying "they're only closed two days a year" or " can you not go without it for one day", or "the staff deserve it off" is spectacularly missing the point.

No other industry is forced to stop operating on Christmas Day. Why should the pubs be any different?

If pubs want to remain shut, then fine, that should be up to each individual publican.

Of course I can go without it for one day, and I probably wouldn't go to the pub anyway, but there shouldn't be a law preventing me from doing so.

The argument about the staff deserving the day off is the most ridiculous of all and completely irrelevant. The law isn't there in order to ensure the staff have the day off, it's there because when the british left here and the 26 counties got independence the church took over.

omega666

I've worked Christmas day in a pub that served food years ago and the only people who would come in are Sados and alcoholics. Depressing looking at them.

Iggy154

Aidric wrote: »

That's simply conjecture on your part. It should be at the discretion of the publican if they wish to open their premises or not.

It is not simply conjecture. It is always at the discretion of publicans whether they wish to open their premises or not. Some already open illegally. More and more pubs have corporate owners who will have no compunction about opening.
The Irish use of alcohol is well known and won't change for Christmas Day. a significant number of Irish people would not go to the pub for one or two drinks but would drink themselves into a state of drunkenness with follow-on fighting aggression and accidents. Especially on a bank Holiday with no work the following day!

Strumms

That my be the origin of the law. To change it would need a compelling reason.

The only one I've heard so far is... "Because we want to" "it's religious oppression and my rights are being infringed" " I don't want to spend time with my family"

There is no compelling reason to inconvenience tens of thousands of hard working people out of a nice quite Christmas, a day off and I include the knock on effect of more gardai, hospital staff etc... So YOU want to go down the pub on one of the only 2 days a year that it's closed.... So ****in what... Unreasonable much ? . It's not all about YOU... Read a book about ducks... Or do something else that doesn't involve the few ****ing it up for the many... For ONE day..

dundalkfc10

Iggy154 wrote: »

It is bad enough during the year with all the stupid drinking that goes on. Having to quadruple the number of gardai on duty as well as the number of A&E nurses and doctors in addition to the making of Christmas day a misery for many people who just want their families together for one day just so some people can go to a pub is ridiculous.

Sure why not ban the pub every day and the gardai (who do **** all) and nurses can take all the time off they want

Strumms

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Sure why not ban the pub every day and the gardai (who do **** all) and nurses can take all the time off they want

Not that you had an argument in the first place but that statement just shows your view as self serving , ignorant and most of all without credibility. I'm sure your views however might be a little more encouraged by a bunch of loner bar stooolers some place in Dundalk alright...

Henlars67

Strumms wrote: »

That my be the origin of the law. To change it would need a compelling reason.

The only one I've heard so far is... "Because we want to" "it's religious oppression and my rights are being infringed" " I don't want to spend time with my family"

There is no compelling reason to inconvenience tens of thousands of hard working people out of a nice quite Christmas, a day off and I include the knock on effect of more gardai, hospital staff etc... So YOU want to go down the pub on one of the only 2 days a year that it's closed.... So ****in what... Unreasonable much ? . It's not all about YOU... Read a book about ducks... Or do something else that doesn't involve the few ****ing it up for the many... For ONE day..

The law banning pubs from opening isn't there so as people can have a day of work. Your argument is irrelevant.

Strumms

Henlars67 wrote: »

The law banning pubs from opening isn't there so as people can have a day of work. Your argument is irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant when any subsequent change would have the greatest negative impact on the workers... That's not irrelevant and I'm sure would anything change in your land of pure fantasy would not feel irrelevant to those effected. I'd suggest anything you have had to say on the matter is further then irrelevant and bordering on retarded to be fair... Think before you type. I know it's Christmas but it's not an expectation you spend all of it in Disney time.

dundalkfc10

Strumms wrote: »

Not that you had an argument in the first place but that statement just shows your view as self serving , ignorant and most of all without credibility. I'm sure your views however might be a little more encouraged by a bunch of loner bar stooolers some place in Dundalk alright...

Of course I have an argument, Your argument for is what you gave and fair enough for your opinion. That has nothing got to do with why the law is there in the first place so your argument technically is irreverent.

Many families will be in the pub im going too, friends, friends girlfriends, unlces etc... Im quite looking forward to it

Henlars67

Strumms wrote: »

How is it irrelevant when any subsequent change would have the greatest negative impact on the workers... That's not irrelevant and I'm sure would anything change in your land of pure fantasy would not feel irrelevant to those effected. I'd suggest anything you have had to say on the matter is further then irrelevant and bordering on retarded to be fair... Think before you type. I know it's Christmas but it's not an expectation you spend all of it in Disney time.

If you have to resort to throwing insults in order to make your point then your argument is null and void.

Strumms

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Of course I have an argument, Your argument for is what you gave and fair enough for your opinion. That has nothing got to do with why the law is there in the first place so your argument technically is irreverent.

Many families will be in the pub im going too, friends, friends girlfriends, unlces etc... Im quite looking forward to it

Just one question... How does one measure something as "technically irreverent"

If my opinion to not open pubs for the benefit of the majority rather then the greedy few is IRREVERENT then call me IRREVERENT baby :pac:

Why the law is there isn't the issue. I'd suggest a letter to your local TD on the matter.. I'm sure they truly deserve to hear from you . Slainte !

dundalkfc10

Strumms wrote: »

Just one question... How does one measure something as "technically irreverent"

If my opinion to not open pubs for the benefit of the majority rather then the greedy few is IRREVERENT then call me IRREVERENT baby :pac:

Why the law is there isn't the issue. I'd suggest a letter to your local TD on the matter.. I'm sure they truly deserve to hear from you . Slainte !

At least no insults this time. You came out of that argument looking not so good after this

Strumms

Henlars67 wrote: »

If you have to resort to throwing insults in order to make your point then your argument is null and void.

Damn... I didn't know you made the rules around here... The truth is there has been no compelling argument made in my own view as to why pubs should be open on Xmas day. I and others have voiced reasonable opinions as why they should stay closed... Others like yourself skirt around these opinions with no reasonable retort or facts while you still dismiss any thought to those effected negatively and then shout people down simply by claiming their argument is irrelevant basically because that's all you can do. Nice job !

Shout Dust

Henlars67 wrote: »

Anyone who is saying "they're only closed two days a year" or " can you not go without it for one day", or "the staff deserve it off" is spectacularly missing the point.

No other industry is forced to stop operating on Christmas Day. Why should the pubs be any different?

If pubs want to remain shut, then fine, that should be up to each individual publican.

Of course I can go without it for one day, and I probably wouldn't go to the pub anyway, but there shouldn't be a law preventing me from doing so.

The argument about the staff deserving the day off is the most ridiculous of all and completely irrelevant. The law isn't there in order to ensure the staff have the day off, it's there because when the british left here and the 26 counties got independence the church took over.

Because of the trouble alcohol causes? Christmas is seen by most as a family holiday, and all but the most essential services are shut down.

Strumms

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

At least no insults this time. You came out of that argument looking not so good after this

In your opinion... In mine you started looking not so good when you started to post in the thread but hey who am I to judge....

Annasopra

GarIT wrote: »

it is most definately oppression.

That has to be one of the most stupid and ridiculous arguments ever on boards.ie

meeeeh

Hahaha, it really is hard life when the only complaint about oppression some atheists can find is that they can't get plastered on two days in a year. Can't you find some actual discrimination to fight against?

There are plenty of more secular countries which also close shops every Sunday and there are no problems. In fact those things are often supported by unions. I'm an atheist and I like Christmas so I also understand how majority of people like to spend it at home. The good Friday is a different story but it's not a great problem either.

mikemac1

GarIT wrote: »

It would be fairly easy to let them open whenever and then make it illegal to punish staff for refusing to work on a religious holiday. Nobody is suggesting anybody should be forced to work but rather that they have the choice to do so of they wish.

Pubs and hotels don't fire casual staff, they just slash your hours and give them to the new hire.

Illegal to punish staff for refusing to work lol. There are employment laws and minimum rest periods being broken every night of the week. Finish cleaning late at night and you need to be in for early shift or don't come back at all.

Sure let them open whenever but the owner will tell the staff they are working and they will do it

Aidric

meeeeh wrote: »

Hahaha, it really is hard life when the only complaint about oppression some atheists can find is that they can't get plastered on two days in a year. Can't you find some actual discrimination to fight against?

Why are you making the assumption that people will get plastered?