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    #92
    dsgking
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭dsgking


    its an auful pity they cant close the doors for a week and take back the people interested in working there. you don't this tripe happening on a building site, because if you don't like the rate you just move on


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    #93
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    michael999999 wrote: »
    Were still waiting for this elusive 11 point plan?

    I don't think you do work in Liebherr!



    With his abiilty to

    A) lie
    and
    B) doge questions


    I do think there is a very strong chance he's a member of SIPTU though!


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    #94
    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    listrybabe wrote: »
    Ok would you not agree that the 500 not in siptu were pretty naive to let siptus 260 decide their future
    There are not 500 workers who are not in SIPTU working there.


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    #95
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    dsgking wrote: »
    its an auful pity they cant close the doors for a week and take back the people interested in working there. you don't this tripe happening on a building site, because if you don't like the rate you just move on

    The 160 living in a bubble.

    But there bubble is going to be burst pretty soon!


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    #96
    stop animal cruelty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭stop animal cruelty


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    With his abiilty to

    A) lie
    and
    B) doge questions


    I do think there is a very strong chance he's a member of SIPTU though!

    I think he is a she....


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    #97
    listrybabe
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭listrybabe


    WikiHow wrote: »
    There are not 500 workers who are not in SIPTU working there.

    Ok 400.


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    #98
    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    listrybabe wrote: »
    Ok 400.
    For some one who works there not to know the numbers? is 400 your final answer?


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    #99
    listrybabe
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭listrybabe


    WikiHow wrote: »
    For some one who works there not to know the numbers? is 400 your final answer?

    Ok 670 work their
    160 vote against

    510 left of which 100 voted for talks this leaves 410 that did nothing either way to secure their future which they could so easily have done and all this would be done and dusted now. Which begs the question. Why not ?


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    #100
    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    listrybabe wrote: »
    Ok 670 work their
    160 vote against

    510 left of which 100 voted for talks this leaves 410 that did nothing either way to secure their future which they could so easily have done and all this would be done and dusted now. Which begs the question. Why not ?
    Because they are waiting to review "The 11 point plan"


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    #101
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    WikiHow wrote: »
    For some one who works there not to know the numbers? is 400 your final answer?

    I think she's trolling;

    Anyway only 160 of the near 700 employees voted against the deal. So they will be responsible for the loss of close to a thousand jobs. When you account for subbies and fenit pier, transport company's and steel suppliers!


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    #102
    slavetothegrind
    Registered Users Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭slavetothegrind


    what is the REAL issue there Listrybabe?
    it can't be just the small money involved

    what outlandish changes in work practises is causing this?


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    #103
    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    michael999999 wrote: »
    I think she's trolling;

    Anyway only 160 of the near 700 employees voted against the deal. So they will be responsible for the loss of close to a thousand jobs. When you account for subbies and fenit pier, transport company's and steel suppliers!
    You are running into thousands of job losses then.


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    #104
    listrybabe
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭listrybabe


    WikiHow wrote: »
    Because they are waiting to review "The 11 point plan"

    That's one stupid answer suprise suprise. Good night. Some of us have to get up for work in morning


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    #105
    slavetothegrind
    Registered Users Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭slavetothegrind


    seems to me if the 160 siptu members want any support from the public, or indeed the people indirectly employed around the plant they would want to start talking


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    #106
    littlesthobo
    Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭littlesthobo


    WikiHow wrote: »
    For some one who works there not to know the numbers? is 400 your final answer?

    She dosnt work there. A quick check of her post history will confirm this. Sh1tstirrer from what i can see


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    #107
    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    ciaeim wrote: »
    So why didn't the rest of the employees do something about it when it would have been so easy to do so
    What power do non union people have maybe?


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    #108
    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    ciaeim wrote: »
    All the power that was needed all they had to do was use their heads
    How do you mean use their head?


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    #109
    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    ciaeim wrote: »
    They should have joined the union which they would have had every right to do and voted to accept the changes that liebherr wanted
    ok im with you now, is it that alot of them are temporarys and cannot join the union?


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    #110
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    ciaeim wrote: »
    No some of the contract workers voted yesterday. Surprised no one picked up on this. The 160 rightly or wrongly voted for what they believed in. Whilst 400 odd sat on their holes and watched them do it. Anyway good night

    Could they have voted without joining the union ?


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    #111
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    marienbad wrote: »
    Could they have voted without joining the union ?

    I know in the old multinational I worked in, if you weren't in the union you didn't get a say on company-employee negotiations.


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    #112
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    ciaeim wrote: »
    Absolutely not. But it's simple procedure to join and also to leave after couple of weeks at 4.70 per week

    Hardly democratic is it ?


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    #113
    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    marienbad wrote: »
    Hardly democratic is it ?
    If it meant to do the right thing to save the place it cant be that bad.


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    #114
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    marienbad wrote: »
    Hardly democratic is it ?

    It is to the unions though. Makes them look like they're the big boys.


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    #115
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    crockholm wrote: »
    I worked with a Company from 2007-2009 where I was told I would have to sign up to be a member of SIPTU.
    Back in the late 80's, I worked for nine months at Irish Steel where SIPTU were the main union. I've honestly no idea how the management put up, on a daily basis, with the level of sh*t-stirring and work-avoidance that union-members often got up to and which everybody knew about. Some years later, it was sad, but no surprise, to see that the plant was to close with media reporting that "attempts to reduce costs and increase production recently did not, according to the company, seem to have support from trade union officials.".

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2001/0615/16048-ispat/

    The closure cost around 400 jobs directly, and I suppose perhaps the same in local supply firms. While Irish Steel was small on the international scale, it was still one of the only truly heavy industrial plants in the country and a truly great place to work, unions aside of course.

    I'd hate to see SIPTU, directly or indirectly, cause Leibherr to close up and pack their bags, but in all fairness, they've been implicated in the past in similar industrial disasters. My thoughts are with the people who voted to continue working and the rest of the team at Leibherr, and the people in Killarney who rely on Leibherr; and all their families.


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    #116
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    WikiHow wrote: »
    If it meant to do the right thing to save the place it cant be that bad.

    So it is paternalistic and undemocratic ?


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    #117
    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    marienbad wrote: »
    So it is paternalistic and undemocratic ?
    It may be neither, as mentioned earlier a huge number never voted, if they just joined to vote to save their job what bad is in that?


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    #118
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users Posts: 7,592 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Excuse my ignorance but when people say that "Killarney would be in trouble" in the event of a plant closure what do they mean exactly? I would have thought Killarney's main source of income is tourism which would presumably be unaffected.

    Hopefully it all gets sorted asap with no job losses.


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    #119
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    WikiHow wrote: »
    It may be neither, as mentioned earlier a huge number never voted, if they just joined to vote to save their job what bad is in that?

    Why should you have to join a union to have a vote ?


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    #120
    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    marienbad wrote: »
    Why should you have to join a union to have a vote ?
    It was a SIPTU vote so i imagine one would have to be a member to vote, i may be wrong.


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    #121
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    WikiHow wrote: »
    It was a SIPTU vote so i imagine one would have to be a member to vote, i may be wrong.

    Yes but why should that vote overrule the wishes of the majority non union members ?


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