Liebherr thread

dobman88

Here ye go lads, a dedicated thread. Go nuts.

carchaeologist

Keep it civil please.

FourFourRED

They make nice fridges.

dobman88

Dya think they get through a lot of yellow paint? Be some craic painting the crane :pac:

Sir Arthur Daley

Be some loss to alot of people if it closes, in paper today they said they are not bluffing either.

dobman88

After reading what some of the strikers workers said on here it sounds like they want it to close. Afraid of a days work. They must think the dole is great craic. More money heading back to Germany

Sir Arthur Daley

They have so much money invested into the premises plus what they own in killarney is another story, will they plug the plug on all this investment?

Sir Arthur Daley

dobman88 wrote: »

After reading what some of the strikers workers said on here it sounds like they want it to close. Afraid of a days work. They must think the dole is great craic. More money heading back to Germany

Alot of staff there earn a weeks dole in one day so why they afraid of work?

dobman88

WikiHow wrote: »

Alot of staff there earn a weeks dole in one day so why they afraid of work?

Who knows! Just from reading some post, they are complaining about working!! Doesn't make sense. Obviously had it too good in the boom

Sir Arthur Daley

dobman88 wrote: »

Who knows! Just from reading some post, they are complaining about working!! Doesn't make sense. Obviously had it too good in the boom

I dont think their wages would have been hugely different to now, they be crying when its gone, wont Joe be doing some counseling then? :P

michael999999

WikiHow wrote: »

They have so much money invested into the premises plus what they own in killarney is another story, will they plug the plug on all this investment?

They make Billions worldwide every year. The money they would lose by closing Killarney would be barely noticed.

There are going to be a lot of shocked people coming into the real world if it does close.

Good luck finding another job that pays you a 35% bonus just for doing your days work!

groovie

Aodhagan wrote: »

They make nice fridges.

Yes indeed they do.

Sir Arthur Daley

Liebherr initially wanted to be in kenmare to be at a sea port, i always questioned the logistics of killarney and the practicality of it, is it up to Tarbert they go with finished products?

3 the square

WikiHow wrote: »

Liebherr initially wanted to be in kenmare to be at a sea port, i always questioned the logistics of killarney and the practicality of it, is it up to Tarbert they go with finished products?

fenit.

Axel Lamp

Can anyone enlighten me to what the company want in return for the backdated payrise?

Southern Dandy

It is without a doubt a bluff by them, most factory's spin these webs when **** hits the fan. The cost of closing, shipping machinery, hiring new staff, training and building or buying and retro fitting a new plant in a new country would be ridiculous. Let alone all the down time while the transition takes place.

It is more viable for them to pay out. While liebherr makes billions it does not take a Math genius to know that closing the plant and setting up a new plant is quite costly.

This is the bloody joys of working in a factory.

michael999999

Southern Dandy wrote: »

It is without a doubt a bluff by them, most factory's spin these webs when **** hits the fan. The cost of closing, shipping machinery, hiring new staff, training and building or buying and retro fitting a new plant in a new country would be ridiculous. Let alone all the down time while the transition takes place.

It is more viable for them to pay out. While liebherr makes billions it does not take a Math genius to know that closing the plant and setting up a new plant is quite costly.

This is the bloody joys of working in a factory.

They have factorys in Germany the size of killarney town. Over 30000 employees working there. Moving would not be a big problem as they have the structures already in place there.

Keeping killarney open is more to do with sentimintality because of the family ties.

The people on strike just have to look at the aeronautical place that closed during the week with the loss of over 400 jobs. When the multinational decides to pull out, its fast and painless for them . Not so much for the employees.

Southern Dandy

If your on about Lufthansa Technic they closed on account of a gradual decline in Revenue not to mention competing with a number of firms that overhaul the engines of airliners.

Liebherr seems to be booming by all accounts, I doubt they would pull the plug over a industrial despute if business was poor I'd be saying something different. I could be wrong but let's hope I am not, while I don't work there, I know that feeling of inpending doom lurking around a plant between gossip and heresay only where I was closed and moved production to asia. It is not a nice feeling and it is sad for people working there whether it is a bluff or not.

Sir Arthur Daley

They went on strike because of not getting a 2.5% pay rise since 2009, why did they wait till 2013 to resolve this matter?

michael999999

WikiHow wrote: »

They went on strike because of not getting a 2.5% pay rise since 2009, why did they wait till 2013 to resolve this matter?

Because a few union heads seen a new production shed being built and thought they could get a few quid off liebherr aswell!

Sir Arthur Daley

michael999999 wrote: »

Because a few union heads seen a new production shed being built and thought they could get a few quid off liebherr aswell!

I heard they had recently expanded alright, how did they think they could get extra money though?

michael999999

WikiHow wrote: »

I heard they had recently expanded alright, how did they think they could get extra money though?

Any other workers would see the new facilities being built, and breathe a sigh of relief that in the current recession the company they work for is doing well and there employment is safe.

But the unions see this , and think what's in it for us? How can we screw more money out of them for ourselves!

Sir Arthur Daley

michael999999 wrote: »

Any other workers would see the new facilities being built, and breathe a sigh of relief that in the current recession the company they work for is doing well and there employment is safe.

But the unions see this , and think what's in it for us? How can we screw more money out of them for ourselves!

Should liebherr not have given the payrise as agreed in 2009 or did the union not push liebherr to give the rise knowing of the expansion?

Axel Lamp

From Examiner today

SIPTU vote due next Tuesday

Sir Arthur Daley

Axel Lamp wrote: »

From Examiner today

SIPTU vote due next Tuesday

I imagine the vote will be majority one way.

Bactidiaryl

WikiHow wrote: »

I imagine the vote will be majority one way.

Is that in favour of keeping the factory open?

Sir Arthur Daley

Bactidiaryl wrote: »

Is that in favour of keeping the factory open?

I don't know what the vote is for but i feel it will be for the unions best interests anyway.

Sir Arthur Daley

Update on vote:
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/manufacturing/siptu-workers-at-kerry-liebherr-plant-reject-labour-court-proposals-1.1655370

michael999999

WikiHow wrote: »

Update on vote:
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/manufacturing/siptu-workers-at-kerry-liebherr-plant-reject-labour-court-proposals-1.1655370

Everyone can pack up there tools and go home.

I hope they have extra staff taken on in the social welfare office in Killarney.

Sir Arthur Daley

michael999999 wrote: »

Everyone can pack up there tools and go home.

I hope they have extra staff taken on in the social welfare office in Killarney.

Is it looking grim now?

handlemaster

When the workers are looking out their windows at home with no hope of a job they will wonder what it was all about #dolequeue

Axel Lamp

I hope they realise that Siptu won't help them when they are looking for a job.

michael999999

WikiHow wrote: »

Is it looking grim now?

The SIPTU workers have rejected the deal that was on the table. Now were just waiting for Liebherr to announce if there going to close the Killarney plant.

Well done lads. Ye can be proud of your achievement!

listrybabe

michael999999 wrote: »

The SIPTU workers have rejected the deal that was on the table. Now were just waiting for Liebherr to announce if there going to close the Killarney plant.

Well done lads. Ye can be proud of your achievement!

As usual you have no idea what you are talking about.

pickled101

If the company closes the factory in Killarney and 750 staff lose their jobs over a 2.5% pay increase that the Union is fighting for how many Union staff will be out of a job ZERO.

When every other company is reducing pay and fighting for survival

The siptu union members should do a quick qoogle search and see how many jobs are available in Kerry and ask to vote again.

What about the other 450 members of staff, do they get a say?

Axel Lamp

listrybabe wrote: »

As usual you have no idea what you are talking about.

Please enlighten us then as to what the real situation then is

Without getting into the rights and wrongs of it, without criticising or praising either side, if Liebherr do pull out may I be the first to say "Goodnight Killarney, and God Bless, ye had a good innings".

michael999999

Axel Lamp wrote: »

Please enlighten us then as to what the real situation then is

Almost 700 workers

260 In siptu

160 voted against the deal.

So 160 are on the verge of closing the factory. Not to mention all the sub contractors and suppliers!

listrybabe

Axel Lamp wrote: »

Please enlighten us then as to what the real situation then is

When I finish work ( at liebherr ) I will.
What I will say is that their is at this moment or in the foreseeable future not a chance of this company closing or indeed outsourcing work to Germany or anywhere else. And maybe Ye drama queens should look into the 11 point plan the company are trying to enforce which would have dire consequences on the workers life's and families. And would also cost a lot more to the workers than the 2.5% ( 38cent per hour) being offered in conjunction with the 11 point plan being implemented.

Axel Lamp

listrybabe wrote: »

When I finish work ( at liebherr ) I will.
What I will say is that their is at this moment or in the foreseeable future not a chance of this company closing or indeed outsourcing work to Germany or anywhere else. And maybe Ye drama queens should look into the 11 point plan the company are trying to enforce which would have dire consequences on the workers life's and families. And would also cost a lot more to the workers than the 2.5% ( 38cent per hour) being offered in conjunction with the 11 point plan being implemented.

What is the 11 point plan? I asked earlier in this thread

666o666

yeah. can any of you antagonists who are against union members voting for there own rights please tell me what the 11 point plan iS... probably not.
just scared of the company......

listrybabe

Axel Lamp wrote: »

What is the 11 point plan? I asked earlier in this thread

And you are ???

Axel Lamp

listrybabe wrote: »

And you are ???

Anonymous, just like you 'Listrybabe'.

codie

I have to say this makes sad reading.People on the outside that don't know anything about the situation making predictions and so on.Bad stories travel fast and guaranteed somewhere there is a joker or 2 putting out rumours and they spread like wildfire.Companies do manipulate the recession thing but on the other hand SIPTU and unions I wouldn't trust.Just hope the whole thing is resolved without any job losses.There is nothing out there.Trust me.

Axel Lamp

codie wrote: »

I have to say this makes sad reading.People on the outside that don't know anything about the situation making predictions and so on.Bad stories travel fast and guaranteed somewhere there is a joker or 2 putting out rumours and they spread like wildfire.Companies do manipulate the recession thing but on the other hand SIPTU and unions I wouldn't trust.Just hope the whole thing is resolved without any job losses.There is nothing out there.Trust me.

I agree, I would just like to know what the company want in return for a backdated payrise. Maybe the strike is valid and justifiable, I'd just like to know what the 11 point plan is.

littlesthobo

Interesting discussion on this on the Pat Kenny show. Seems incredible that 160 (a minority) of workers (670 employed directly) can hold the rest to ransom. It was mentioned that the company has been moving equipment out of the plant since last November and that the writing was on the wall after the way the vote went.
The labour court made a reccomendation that was rejected and from the outside looking in it seems that the siptu workers are bieng unreasonable.

listrybabe

Axel Lamp wrote: »

Anonymous, just like you 'Listrybabe'.

I am an employee of liebherr that knows what is going on.

Chucky the tree

listrybabe wrote: »

I am an employee of liebherr that knows what is going on.

Why don't you tell us what this 11 point plan is then?

listrybabe

Don't forget people that when the labour court recommendations were announced that the company was not happy and threatened to pull out of killarney because of said recommendations and now that the siptu members have voted against the same recommendations every one is in uproar!!!! Go figure !

listrybabe

michael999999 wrote: »

Almost 700 workers

260 In siptu

160 voted against the deal.

So 160 are on the verge of closing the factory. Not to mention all the sub contractors and suppliers!

We will assume your figures are correct then why don't the other 440 workers join siptu and vote against union to save their jobs only costs 4.70 per week. Problem solved. What you think ?

shoutman

listrybabe wrote: »

We will assume your figures are correct then why don't the other 440 workers join siptu and vote against union to save their jobs only costs 4.70 per week. Problem solved. What you think ?

Why does it seem like you are avoiding posting this 11 point plan?

Maybe it's the way the media is painting it, but from the outside it looks like the SIPTU members are being unreasonable here. You aren't exactly helping the cause by not posting what the company has put forward in this 11 point plan.

You have just posted real "political" answers saying about how bad the 11 point plan is without actually pointing out what is bad about it!