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Nelson Mandela has passed

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    #272
    wes
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    R.I.P


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    #273
    Iwasfrozen
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    I was reading on facebook of Muhammad Ali paying tribute to Nelson Mandela. Some of the vile comments from some were extremely disturbing. One guy was saying Mandela was a terrorist. I looked into the guys FB page and the fecker was saying that Muslims should be in body bags :mad:
    Dude, he was a terrorist. But a nice terrorist, like Che.


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    #274
    FTA69
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    "During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it."

    - Lenin


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    #275
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    Has Dick Cheney released a statement on Mandela's death? Ben Dunne? Margaret Heffernan?

    *tumbleweed*


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    #276
    Piliger
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    Does anyone know if there is any event or book of condolences etc happening today or the weekend in Dublin ?


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    #277
    Sunnyisland
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    Piliger wrote: »
    Does anyone know if there is any event or book of condolences etc happening today or the weekend in Dublin ?[/

    St Patrick’s Cathedral in Dublin will open a book of condolence for the late Nelson Mandela tomorrow, Saturday, 7 December to allow members of the public to pay tribute to the former president of South Africa.

    “As national cathedral of the Church of Ireland, we would like to welcome all who wish to mark their respects and sign the book of condolence for the late Nelson Mandela,” said Dean of Saint Patrick’s Cathedral Victor Stacey.

    “The cathedral is a place of quiet reflection and we hope to offer comfort as together we mourn the loss of this courageous, dignified man who dedicated his life to equality and reconciliation.”

    The book of condolence will be available for signing from tomorrow until Saturday, 14 December before being delivered to the South African Embassy.


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    #278
    Sunnyisland
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    Also.

    The Lord Mayor of Dublin has said a book of condolence for Nelson Mandela will be open at the Mansion House from 2pm this afternoon.

    Oisin Quinn said it will remain open to the public over the weekend.

    Meanwhile, the South African Embassy says its own book of condolence will be open on Monday.

    Full details will be released via the Embassy's Facebook page.


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    #279
    YFlyer
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Dude, he was a terrorist. But a nice terrorist, like Che.

    He was a Nobel Peace Prize Laureate also.


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    #280
    padd b1975
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    HansHolzel wrote: »
    Has Dick Cheney released a statement on Mandela's death? Ben Dunne? Margaret Heffernan?

    *tumbleweed*

    Ben Dunne made a humble and genuine public apology to the Dunnes Stores strikers a couple of years back on RTE radio, this was graciously accepted by the workers, so credit where it's due there.


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    #281
    Piliger
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    He was a Nobel Peace Prize Laureate also.
    And a heroic and successful Freedom Fighter.


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    #282
    bnt
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    Vinz Mesrine wrote: »
    Why are people so up in arms when someone mentions he was a terrorist?? He was, it shouldn't even be cause for debate.
    Because he's just died, which means that reality gets suspended. Say anything negative about Mandela's track record, today, and you're an apartheid-supporting racist. So just leave it for the moment, and wait for the inevitable historical re-evaluation.

    I was in South Africa in the 80s and up until 1991, and from what I saw in person, apartheid ended more for "intellectual" reasons than anything else. The ruling National Party eventually figured out "yeah, this isn't going to work in the long term, so we may as well try and wind it up in an orderly manner". Before the laws were changed, the ANC was about as effective as the USA Communist Party - Mandela was in jail, and the occasional small bomb wasn't a major threat.

    Even the BBC, in an article entitled Nelson Mandela death: The man who destroyed apartheid, devote only the last couple of paragraphs to events after 1964, and those are mostly about outcries in other countries re e.g. Steve Biko. Until he was released from jail - the event that signalled that apartheid really was going to end - he was a passive observer, not a shaper of events. So why was he released, then? Not because the National Party was worried about the ANC, or international sanctions (which had been in force for years by then): it was because a younger generation of politicians realised "this can't go on".

    From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch’.

    — Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut



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    #283
    Piliger
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    Vinz Mesrine wrote: »
    Why are people so up in arms when someone mentions he was a terrorist?? He was, it shouldn't even be cause for debate.

    Because he wasn't.


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    #284
    HansHolzel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭HansHolzel


    "The terrorist is the one with the small bomb" - Brendan Behan


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    #285
    Zauka
    Registered Users Posts: 38 ✭Zauka


    Nelson Mandela You Will Always Stay In Our Hearts!


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    #286
    Fred Swanson
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    #287
    Allyall
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    15th. After a week of events around his hometown.


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    #288
    dublinman1990
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    The philosophy of Nelson Mandela will still live to become a truly inspirational note for young people throughout the world.

    R.I.P. Madiba.


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    #289
    HansHolzel
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    bnt wrote: »
    Not because the National Party was worried about the ANC, or international sanctions (which had been in force for years by then): it was because a younger generation of politicians realised "this can't go on".

    So, eh, why couldn't it go on?


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    #290
    Nodin
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    HansHolzel wrote: »
    So, eh, why couldn't it go on?


    Because of the combination internal pressure (from the ANC) and external pressures (sanctions, the US was no longer on board). It was either come to an agreed ending or hold on to the bitter end and face Christ knows what. It could have been brought to a conclusion years earlier had Thatcher brought in sanctions, as vast tracts of South African interests were based in or went through London.


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    #291
    chopper6
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    Piliger wrote: »
    And a heroic and successful Freedom Fighter.



    That was convicted of conspiring to blow up a shopping centre full of women and children. To say nothing of the ghastly murders his wife was complicit in.


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    #292
    Nodin
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    That was convicted of conspiring to blow up a shopping centre full of women and children. To say nothing of the ghastly murders his wife was complicit in.

    They were fighting one of the more evil regimes of the late 20th century. C'est la guerre.


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    #293
    Piliger
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    That was convicted of conspiring to blow up a shopping centre full of women and children. To say nothing of the ghastly murders his wife was complicit in.

    Convicted by a corrupt racist regime that treated black people as scum and slaves. You may suck up the opinions of this evil and sick regime. I do not.


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    #294
    HansHolzel
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    That was convicted of conspiring to blow up a shopping centre full of women and children. To say nothing of the ghastly murders his wife was complicit in.

    Dick Cheney is online


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    #295
    Piliger
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    Nodin wrote: »
    They were fighting one of the more evil regimes of the late 20th century. C'est la guerre.
    Indeed. Are we now to call the resistance in France during WWII terrorists ? The Irish rebels in 1798 terrorists ? This leads to nothing but the complete debasement and corruption of the language.


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    #296
    padd b1975
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    That was convicted of conspiring to blow up a shopping centre full of women and children. To say nothing of the ghastly murders his wife was complicit in.

    It's a bit rich to implicate him in his wife's crimes, they were estranged for many years despite walking hand in hand on the day he was released.


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    #297
    chopper6
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    padd b1975 wrote: »
    It's a bit rich to implicate him in his wife's crimes, they were estranged for many years despite walking hand in hand on the day he was released.

    So he knew nothing about them?

    Okily dokily then.


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    #298
    chopper6
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    Nodin wrote: »
    They were fighting one of the more evil regimes of the late 20th century. C'est la guerre.

    Two wrongs do not make a right.


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    #299
    Nodin
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    Two wrongs do not make a right.

    Occassionally one must use a lesser evil to defeat a greater. It's fairly obvious which was the greater in this case.


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    #300
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Occassionally one must use a lesser evil to defeat a greater. It's fairly obvious which was the greater in this case.

    so what you're saying is you support the iraq war?

    what about al qaeda in their fight against us imperialism?


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    #301
    Nodin
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    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    so what you're saying is you support the iraq war?

    what about al qaeda in their fight against us imperialism?

    Being obtuse there. There was no justification for the Iraq war. Al Qaeda aren't fighting US imperialism, they're (apparently) fighting for a world caliphate.

    People seem to have no idea what has been done in what were considered "just" wars, either by state forces or resistance groups.


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