Former Labour Party chairman Colm Keaveney to join Fianna Fáil

TCDStudent1 · 10-12-2013 9:30pm

Last post on this as going around in circles.

Well this is getting less and less believable all the time when you consistently pursue the 'guaranteed' line of argument and misquoting others.

An earlier post from you:

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

Haha ya it's very unfair - poor Colm:rolleyes:

There is a guaranteed FF seat in Galway East. Absolute stonewall seat. Good chance Kitt does not stand again anyway. Keaveny as a sitting TD will be FF's main man.

What a disgrace. Both him and his new party.

How is that misquoting you?

tell us we are flawed in our thinking because that they won't abandon Kitt, etc, etc. Again that's a completely separate issue.

They are not separate issues. There is 1 safe FF seat in Galway East. Therefore, it is very much related to this issue. If Kitt runs (and he said he will), then the likelihood is that Keaveney will not win a seat.

You can say that Keaveney was told he would be the sole candidate. But that cannot happen (as Sierra Oscar pointed out). I cannot believe that Keaveney would be unaware of this situation.

Spanish Johnny · 10-12-2013 10:28pm

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Last post on this as going around in circles.

An earlier post from you:

How is that misquoting you?

They are not separate issues. There is 1 safe FF seat in Galway East. Therefore, it is very much related to this issue. If Kitt runs (and he said he will), then the likelihood is that Keaveney will not win a seat.

You can say that Keaveney was told he would be the sole candidate. But that cannot happen (as Sierra Oscar pointed out). I cannot believe that Keaveney would be unaware of this situation.

1) You are again clearly misquoting me as I had consistently maintained that Keaveney was not guaranteed a seat in Galway East but had given himself the best chance of retaining one.

There is a guaranteed FF seat in Galway East - no arguments there I maintain that. What you are misquoting is the fact we were saying Keaveney was guaranteed one before the info about his deal with Martin came to light

2) If Kitt runs is irrelevant to the fact of Keaveney's motivation in doing so. As for only one candidate running cant happen? It certainly can. If the convention decides that.

Keaveney is quoted less than a week ago as saying that Martin ensures him he is the only candidate that will be running. Now are you dismissing that as happening? Despite Keaveney quoted as saying this?

I know he is showing to be a man that retreats on his words, etc but do you believe a) he didn't say it or b) he didn't mean it??

Kitt's words are completely irrelevant to Keaveney's motivations as they came after he joined and Keaveney has been given assurances he will be the sole contender. That obviously influenced his decision making and one we are now more justified in calling it what it is.

I do not disagree with some of your points regarding Kitt, conventions, likely scenarios etc. I will debate them fine. I am saying your defence of Keaveney's motivations and reasoning don't stand up given the information Keaveney himself revealed as part of the deal.

Who knows what he has been told? Kitt is in the new Roscommon constituency - he won't run there. Maybe Kitt is retiring? Maybe Kitt p***ed them off by taking the Leas Ceann Comhairle job against the party wishes by doing a deal with Kenny and Gilmore and it's payback time. Maybe it's due to the fact that 'grassroots' are not happy with Kitt as referenced in the same article regarding him 'coasting' in the job?

I don't know and you don't know but Keaveney has been assured of that and we will see how it develops. Bottom line this influenced his decision and will go a long way to ensuring he remains politically alive which he sacrificed any principals he had.

Loafing Oaf · 10-12-2013 10:50pm

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

Kitt is in the new Roscommon constituency - he won't run there.

Do we know this for a fact? Seems like it might be the key to a resolution that satisfies all parties, sort of.

TCDStudent1 · 10-12-2013 11:34pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Do we know this for a fact? Seems like it might be the key to a resolution that satisfies all parties, sort of.

It wouldnt suit Kitt as he would be leaving behind a good chunk of his votes in the Galway East constituency. And then have to gain new votes in the Roscommon constituency.

zimmermania · 10-12-2013 11:59pm

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

It wouldnt suit Kitt as he would be leaving behind a good chunk of his votes in the Galway East constituency. And then have to gain new votes in the Roscommon constituency.

One thing we should not forget.Kitt will be 66 at the time the next election is held,he will get the large lump sum "walking away" money,a pension boosted by serving as a junior minister and as leas ceann comhairle if he retires and that is what he is going to do.

Spanish Johnny · 11-12-2013 1:17am

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

It wouldnt suit Kitt as he would be leaving behind a good chunk of his votes in the Galway East constituency. And then have to gain new votes in the Roscommon constituency.

True. But if FF go with one candidate only in some 3 seaters like the promise to Keaveney in Galway East then it would become very appealing given that there is no sitting FF TD in the new constituency.

Spanish Johnny · 11-12-2013 1:19am

zimmermania wrote: »

One thing we should not forget.Kitt will be 66 at the time the next election is held,he will get the large lump sum "walking away" money,a pension boosted by serving as a junior minister and as leas ceann comhairle if he retires and that is what he is going to do.

And it's believed that this was the likely scenario within FF too as regards their moves for Keaveney, Higgins, etc. Seems their handling at the top has irked Kitt and some of the 'grassroots' though.

Loafing Oaf · 11-12-2013 1:29am

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

True. But if FF go with one candidate only in some 3 seaters like the promise to Keaveney in Galway East then it would become very appealing given that there is no sitting FF TD in the new constituency.

Well if Kitt wants to 'hand on the torch' to one of his family this might be the right moment. Mightn't make much odds to them whether they establish themselves in Galway East or Roscommon/Galway, given that the family turf is seemingly split between the two...

Who knows, he might bring his celeb nephew down to take over: his musical career isn't exactly thriving, and he'd surely blow the local yokels, esp the cailins, away with his slick hipsterdom:

raymon · 11-12-2013 4:54am

The Kitts should stand to one side and let Keaveney start tracking down the " rampant corruption of many of Fianna Fáil’s members and public representatives" that he described last year.

Sierra Oscar · 13-12-2013 12:25pm

Stephen Donnelly now on the record saying that he is considering a move to Fianna Fáil.

Donnelly says he's considering move to Fianna Fail

golfball37 · 13-12-2013 12:29pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly now on the record saying that he is considering a move to Fianna Fáil.

Donnelly says he's considering move to Fianna Fail

I don't see anything in that article that one could stand over to justify the headline. A bit like the Toibin scoop the same paper had the other day methinks- IE a non story.

Sierra Oscar · 13-12-2013 12:30pm

golfball37 wrote: »

I don't see anything in that article that one could stand over to justify the headline. A bit like the Toibin scoop the same paper had the other day methinks- IE a non story.

Significant in that he has actually confirmed for the first time that he is open to the idea of joining Fianna Fáil.

No meetings have been held yet, but this is all about signalling. You can be sure that a meeting will be held over Christmas to explore the possibility after his comments. Nothing may come of it, but interesting nonetheless.

cormacjones · 13-12-2013 12:34pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly now on the record saying that he is considering a move to Fianna Fáil.

Donnelly says he's considering move to Fianna Fail

That would be an absolute disaster. He is one of the few politicians I respected and seemed to have some morals about him.

That he would even think of joining FF is really, really disappointing.

raymon · 13-12-2013 12:41pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly now on the record saying that he is considering a move to Fianna Fáil.

Donnelly says he's considering move to Fianna Fail

Now wouldn't that be depressing...........

raymon · 13-12-2013 12:52pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Significant in that he has actually confirmed for the first time that he is open to the idea of joining Fianna Fáil.

No meetings have been held yet, but this is all about signalling. You can be sure that a meeting will be held over Christmas to explore the possibility after his comments. Nothing may come of it, but interesting nonetheless.

Looks like another made up story . Surely your FF propaganda office could have rang the Independent newspaper FF propaganda office to see if it was true or made up.

The journal says that it is not happening

http://www.thejournal.ie/stephen-donnelly-fianna-fail-independent-td-eamon-gilmore-1219708-Dec2013/

Sierra Oscar · 13-12-2013 1:09pm

raymon wrote: »

Looks like another made up story . Surely your FF propaganda office could have rang the Independent newspaper FF propaganda office to see if it was true or made up.

The journal says that it is not happening

http://www.thejournal.ie/stephen-donnelly-fianna-fail-independent-td-eamon-gilmore-1219708-Dec2013/

All very cloak and daggers! We already know that no discussions have taken place, wont be any real news until after any discussions take place regardless. That's if they even take place.

raymon · 13-12-2013 1:35pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

All very cloak and daggers! We already know that no discussions have taken place, wont be any real news until after any discussions take place regardless. That's if they even take place.

Surely you mean " smoke and daggers", this being Bertie's Team

Sierra Oscar · 13-12-2013 1:37pm

raymon wrote: »

Surely you mean " smoke and daggers", this being Bertie's Team

Do you always need to be so combative? You make it a pain to read this forum with your poorly formulated cliches.

We should all be capable of intelligent discussion without stupid comments.

raymon · 13-12-2013 2:01pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Do you always need to be so combative? You make it a pain to read this forum with your poorly formulated cliches.

We should all be capable of intelligent discussion without stupid comments.

Sorry didn't mean to touch a nerve with mentioning Bertie.

You said cloak and daggers , Bertie used to say smoke and daggers.
Probably wasn't funny after all , ah well.

Sierra Oscar · 13-12-2013 2:16pm

raymon wrote: »

You said cloak and daggers , Bertie used to say smoke and daggers.
Probably wasn't funny after all , ah well.

Ah I see, I didn't pick up the connection.

Still don't see how it is very relevant though!!

Going Forward · 13-12-2013 2:24pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Do you always need to be so combative? You make it a pain to read this forum with your poorly formulated cliches.

We should all be capable of intelligent discussion without stupid comments.

It's a joke.
Surely you can recall Bertie's "upsetting the apple tart"?

Sierra Oscar · 13-12-2013 2:30pm

Going Forward wrote: »

It's a joke.
Surely you can recall Bertie's "upsetting the apple tart"?

I am not familiar with Bertie Ahern and his various silly comments really.

cormacjones · 13-12-2013 2:43pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

I am not familiar with Bertie Ahern and his various silly comments really.

You should be. It might make you reconsider your political allegiances.

michael999999 · 13-12-2013 8:20pm

cormacjones wrote: »

You should be. It might make you reconsider your political allegiances.

Its called fianna fail amnesia.

Former Labour Party chairman Colm Keaveney to join Fianna Fáil

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