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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,830 ✭✭✭ OOnegative

    Murph_D wrote: »
    Came across a few stouts myself the other day. Cheers! ;)

    Yeah, bloody stout!!! Talk about the Connemara yokel.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,538 ✭✭✭ ThebitterLemon

    Trying to get the runs in while on a family holiday is a challenge and the functional strength routines have been a resultant casualty.

    Mon: took the Passage East ferry to Wexford and spent the day at different beaches. Dollar Bay beach was like something you’d find abroad, beautiful secluded and sheltered cove. After a late evening meal it was a struggle to get out at all.

    Plan: 10 miles
    Actual: 3 miles recovery along the Greenway with the young lad, body a bit stiff from the weekend efforts and all the driving.

    When we first arrived the 2 min ferry journey across to the island was great fun and a novelty, a day or two later and it’s still a bit quaint, almost a week later, for a family of impatient boggers, it’s now that f’ing ferry is such a pain in the hole!!!!!

    Tue: more swimming around Newtown Cove, and another run directly after dinner!

    Plan: 10 miles easy
    Actual: 4 miles with a belly full of sea food with my daughter. Gave up a half arsed attempt at a functional strength routine and retired to the couch with a protein bar and a bag of nuts.

    Wed: horrible weather so into the cinema to see Kong v Godzilla, fell asleep!

    Had a very short window to run today and was testing Mrs TbLs patience so I’d to trim the wu/cd miles more than planned here!

    Plan: wu/cd with 16 (yes feckin sixteen) 400’s off 400 jog.

    I’ve never run that many 400’s in a session before and if I’d time to think about it I’d have bricked it, but as it was I’d 75 mins to get this done and dusted, so headed to the greenway and got going! Only a mile warm up and into the faster stuff, wasn’t entirely convinced that the watch was picking up the paces correctly but bashed through it. Struggled in places with this and the last couple were very hard but I actually found this easier than both the 8 x 800’s and the 6 x 1k. At the end I was doing my usual heaving when an (even) older runner asked me if I was ok!

    Rep splits were a bit all over the place:

    6.06; 6.08; 6.05; 6.12; 6.12; 6.10; 5.44; 6.01; 6.04; 5.52; 6.33; 5.57; 6.13; 6.23; 6.31; & 6.04.

    Happy to have it done.

    Looking for a bit of advice, I’m supposed to race a 5k next Tuesday, plan is going well and I don’t want to balls it up so just looking for inputs on how to approach it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,830 ✭✭✭ OOnegative

    You can’t race a 5k leave it, don’t beat yourself up over it. Run a good hard session that will bring you up to something similar, 8x800, 5x1km along those lines.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭ Laineyfrecks

    What exactly are you hoping to get from the 5k race? Is it an option in the plan as a session or just something you want to do?

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,538 ✭✭✭ ThebitterLemon

    What exactly are you hoping to get from the 5k race? Is it an option in the plan as a session or just something you want to do?

    Had hoped to break my 5k PB at an actual race.

    No it’s not on the plan, I’d be swapping it out with a session


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  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭ MrMacPhisto

    I would just drop the faster speed session and go pretty close to full gas for the 5k race. 5km race shouldn't take too much out of ya, but if you don't feel recovered enough by the next session then I would push that session back by a day.

    If it was a 10k or ten miler, I would probably replace one of the tempo sessions for that rather than the speed session, and run those races at my goal half marathon pace, with last few kms at a slightly faster pace. More jeopardy here as these are longer efforts and ultimately not the main goal.

    Thats the way I tend to work around the Hanson SOS plans and racing. Don't be afraid to push sessions a day or two if necessary, but don't try and catch up either if you miss one or two along the way.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭ Laineyfrecks

    Had hoped to break my 5k PB at an actual race.

    No it’s not on the plan, I’d be swapping it out with a session


    If it was me i'd go for it, a 5k isn't too demanding on the body & the fact that it's a real race would seal the deal for me! But I'm no expert, so I'm sure you will be well advised here :)

  • Registered Users Posts: 936 ✭✭✭ Lambay island

    If it was me i'd go for it, a 5k isn't too demanding on the body & the fact that it's a real race would seal the deal for me! But I'm no expert, so I'm sure you will be well advised here :)

    Also agree with this. I hugely regretted not running 5k races last summer when races were actually happening,to only run virtual stuff with all my training a few months later.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭ shotgunmcos

    Run it on feel, ignore the watch.
    Decent dive entry, although the crossed legs would drop it to a 5-5.5/10 :D

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭ ariana`

    If it was me i'd go for it, a 5k isn't too demanding on the body & the fact that it's a real race would seal the deal for me! But I'm no expert, so I'm sure you will be well advised here :)

    Far from any kind of expert here but right now I'd jump at a chance to race. At the end of the day none of us here are elites, we're all doing this for fun and personal achievement - it's about what you want to do and what makes you tick, it was me I'd be thinking it's been too long since real races to pass up the chance :)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭ Swashbuckler

    If you think you will fully commit to a PB effort then I'd go for it if I was in your shoes...But if I had any doubts about whether I was really committed to the pain of it then id go with the session.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭ Murph_D

    Plenty of good advice there. If it's a real PB attempt it's going to take plenty out of you for a few days and I'd consider not doing the tempo session at all that week - the specificity of a raced 5k will give you more than enough stimulus for the week. The timing of the race means the speed session is out too - but you should be recovered enough to put something into the long run - depending on whether the schedule calls for one of the easier LRs or one of the 'steady' ones (assuming your plan has both types).

    Good luck and mind yourself!

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,538 ✭✭✭ ThebitterLemon

    End of week 4/12 Hanson’s hm plan

    Don’t think I’ve ever completed as taxing a 4 week block of training, both mentally and physically, before! Happy to have come through it in ok shape though.

    Was on holiday in Waterford with the family and all the driving and being out of a routine took its toll. I usually stretch every day but barely did it half arsed on holiday and had no time at all to do my functional strength routine that I’d normally do 3 times a week. Also missed my weekly session with the physioterrorist. Think this all caught up with me by the weekend as I was tired and stiff/sore.

    Thur: 4 easy boring miles looking for a river trail but ended up mainly through housing estates.

    Fri: almost didn’t run, zero motivation. Was wrecked after a day cycling the greenway and then overdid it on the nuts and Diet Coke at the cinema. The kids wanted to see the Fast & the Spurious and it didn’t finish till after 10 o clock. Took huge will power to lace up and plod a 5k around the hotel in the dark. Really didn’t enjoy this and I was started to get as stiff as fcuk!

    Sat: wu/cd and 5 miles at HMP.

    I’d zero expectations for this run and I’d have happily accepted 7 min pace as I felt drained and sore all over. Hit the Greenway and did a short warm up of 1.5 miles. Whatever is going on with my body it decided to play ball and I hit the pace handy enough, actually had to dial it in a bit. Did 2.5 miles out and back and definitely tired over the last 2 miles but the average pace on this session continues to fall week by week. Was very happy and surprised with this given the state of me at the start.

    Splits: 6.34; 6.36; 6.35; 6.43; & 6.44

    Sun: plan had 14 mile long run. Long drive home and bringing my daughter to her GA game (she scored 2-3 and the winning goal :)) meant I didn’t get out till after 8pm. Was very stiff, glutes, back and calf were protesting and after a mile I decided to just run home. I probably could have continued and finished but with one eye on Tuesday I decide I’d prefer to try and save myself to run “fast” on Tuesday rather than get the LR easy miles in and add to the aches. Only got 4 miles done.

    Need to get back into stretching and clean diet as I’ve developed a holiday belly!

    Also have a bit of a tan but it’s more cedar than mahogany on the AMK tanning index :)

    Hopefully I can get a good week in this week!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭ Laineyfrecks

    Best of luck Tuesday:D

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,538 ✭✭✭ ThebitterLemon

    Start of week 5/12 Hanson’s hm plan

    Last weeks holiday, lack of routine, poor diet and all the time spent driving definitely caught up with me. Body was in bits and definitely feeling my age :(

    Mon: physioterrorist was away today and the badly needed session was pushed back a day which didn’t suit me at all.

    Plan: 10 miles easy
    Actual: 5 miles very easy with my daughter.

    Did some stretching and functional strength routine in the evening and had an epsom salt bath before bed.

    Tue: visit to the physioterrorist, good news was there was no issue with the back but the rest of the body failed the NCT and I was in bits leaving. I’d usually never have a session on a race day but I felt I’d no choice.

    Plan: wu/cd 6 x 1 mile @ HMP minus 10 seconds off 400m jog.

    Actual: Seo Leat 5k race.

    Drove the short distance over to the Connemara airport with the young lad at 5.45. He was doing the 6.30 race and I was doing the 8pm one. As usual the guys from Pop Up races organise a very efficient race. I was surprised with the turnout though and it was disappointing that more runners didn’t support this race. Fantastic setting for a race. Young lad is more interested in football and Fortnite and I’d to almost force him to do it but he was happy out when he finished.

    I wanted to give this race a good crack and the recent boards 5k TT saw me hit 19 mins so I was hopeful of a better time. Did a long stretch and then a warm up on the course. The course was on the apron and runway and after a lap warm up I knew I was going to struggle with the turns. The route was 3 laps with 9 (I think) 180• turns.

    A bit of a breeze picked up just before the start and that helped as it was warm.

    Line up at the start and got going without too much fuss. The speedy guys took off and I tried to settle into my groove. 6.07 pace should see the job done and after a quarter of a mile I was on 5.40 pace so pulled it back, was passed by another runner at this stage but just focused on getting it done. Mile one beeped at 5.59 and while not comfortable I wasn’t dying. Around half way through lap 2 my hamstring started to ping and if it got worse I was going to drop out. Lap 2 came in at 6.07 and I was now starting to feel it a bit (mentally especially), I don’t like the hurt of 5k’s always preferred the slow torture of longer runs.

    On the last lap I passed a runner in front of me on one of the turns and found this very hard to manage/maneouver. Looked at the pace and I’d fallen off to 6.20, gritted the teeth and managed to salvage a 6.07. Was very pleased with myself with that mile until I realised I was using Garmin distance/pace and it was a bit out, stupid bloody novice mistake. I was pissed off big time and sprinted as fast as I could, almost caught the lad who’d passed me, but I’d left too much to do. Even 5.14 pace for the .16 mile wasn’t enough and I crossed the line in 19.06.

    Was seething at the end but I suppose a nights sleep brings some perspective. I wasn’t in great shape toeing the line, course while very flat was difficult and the 18.59 (Strava time) I ran for the Boards TT obviously wasn’t a real PB, Strava gave me a 5k time of 18.45 for the race. Next time I’m racing a unmarked course I’ll have to run Garmin splits of 6.02.

    The positives are, a while ago I thought sub 20 was unattainable and I’m pissed of with a 19.06 (an official PB) :)

    Might try another 5k if I can find a race in a few weeks.

    Back to the plan for now though, I’m going to take the next few days easy. I’m supposed to run 6 miles @ HMP on Saturday but I might try and incorporate this into Sunday’s long run instead.

    Wed: plan rest

    Actual: recovery 3 miles very easy, hammy needs some attention as it very tight. Passed 1000 miles for the year so far.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭ Murph_D

    As I said on strava, "**** course, great time, congrats on the PB." I don't think you should be beating yourself up for that performance. It's a good lesson anyway - Garmin data has a big margin of error, especially on a **** course!

    Fair play - not a bad time at all for a Jumbo. ;)

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭ Laineyfrecks

    Well done on the official PB :D

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,125 ✭✭✭ AuldManKing

    Fair play on that - I reckon 9x180's must cost about 2.65478 secs each!!

    that's a superbly executed race and to get a PB out of it while feeling $hit - you have to take that!

  • Registered Users Posts: 752 ✭✭✭ Back in Black

    Congrats on the official PB. Shows that you are course for a good run in Antrim. Keep the head down and keep hitting the sessions and you will have a great run!

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,538 ✭✭✭ ThebitterLemon

    End week 5/12 Hanson’s hm plan

    Getting aulder is a b1tch!!!

    Why can’t Amazon sell me back 20 years of my life, they do everything else :(

    Happy I raced the 5k but not sure I’ll do another one on this plan. I could feel the hammy tighten during the 5k, right under the lip of the arse, and it’s annoying me since. I hoping it’s auld man rigour mortis rather than a small tear. Little to know pain when I walk but it aches when I run although it doesn’t get progressively worse.

    It currently doesn’t like “pace” though and I might need to back next weeks sessions towards the back of the week.

    Thur: plan 10 miles easy

    Actual: 6 miles easy around Dangan

    Stretching and Functional Strength routine

    Fri: plan 10 miles easy:

    Actual: ran just under 6.5 miles at a steady pace with my work buddy

    Sat: plan wu/cd 6 miles at HMP

    Actual: tried a longer warm up to test and see if body could manage this but it became quickly apparent that while the mind was gung ho the auld bag of bones had downed tools!

    Managed just over 8 miles easy.

    Stretching and functional strength routine

    Sun: plan 14 miles LR

    Actual: 14 @ 8.27.

    Lots of tourists on the road not paying attention to their driving so I veered off my planned route and went on a small lovely quiet road for part of this.

    Apart from aching hammy I actually felt ok on this and could have kept on going.

    I’m trying every trick to loosen it out, Thera gun, foam rolling, hot/cold baths, magnesium, even the odd ibuprofen, oxygen tents (well more like a methane chamber after the extra protein :)) but it’s a deep stubborn fcuker!!!

    Have the physioterrorist tomorrow so hopefully she’ll be able to witch doctor it better.

    Off to Dublin then for 2 nights and then abroad with work. Not looking forward to sessions in 28• heat :(

    I’ll try my session early Tuesday morning but if it’s still acting up I’ll try again on Thursday and do the next one on the Saturday.

    There’s no chance of me breaking my HM PB in Antrim and the goal is still to run 6.40 pace but it’s all geared towards a year end (early next year) sub 3 marathon attempt.

    Physio wants me to get another back mri but I’m hoping to put it off till I’ve tried the marathon again.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭ Murph_D

    I wouldn’t panic, you have to write off the week and go again when recovered. Not the end of the world (yet). Shows you the risk of an off-plan tune-up race if nothing else. I’d consider a few rest days or at most recovery days and see how you are on Monday.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,538 ✭✭✭ ThebitterLemon

    Thanks D.

    yep unfortunately this week has seen minimal improvement, no session so far. Niggles slightly better but I started a session today and stopped immediately.

    I’ll try the HMP session on Saturday and just try and redo this weeks session next week.

    Not panicking just frustrated, but it was never going to be plain sailing so I’ll keep going even if it means I’ve to adjust my target.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭ Laineyfrecks

    Not jealous at all of that pic😎

    Do you regret racing the 5k? Do you think it is the reason you are having these few issues?

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,538 ✭✭✭ ThebitterLemon

    The break was great, sun and great (sensible) food.

    id love to buy a place there as it’s not very touristy and it’s amazing

    No I don’t regret running the 5k but I did learn some lessons

    the deep tissue massage the day of the race was a bad idea.

    the race obviously didn’t help but I actually think the holiday two weeks before were the root cause of the flare up.

    out of a routine, 3 big sessions, no weekly physioterrorist, little stretching and no strength sessions when added to all the driving I was doing was never going to end well.

    it’s unfortunately a fact of life that I seem to get waves of flare ups every now and then, I can handle the mild daily discomfort but the flare ups push me to the edge of injury.

    I was on the phone with the physioterrorist today and when doing a muscle self check, the muscle from the inner knee to the top of the groin was so tight it was sore to touch. Either it was missed initially or it came on over the last week, but if that’s the issue I’ll be happy out as I should be able to ease it out over the next few days.

    you’re flying, keep it up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭ Laineyfrecks

    Ah thanks a mill, I'm ticking over nicely & enjoying it!

    Ok cool always wonder if it's worth racing something fast when you are training for something it a recipe for disaster?

    Hopefully you have sourced the root of it & as you say it would be great if you can work on it yourself:D

    Yeah that's the dream isn't it, heading off into the Sun to enjoy an easy life!

  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Hannibal_Smith

    Oh man. What I wouldn't give for a view like that and meal handed up to me!! Sorry... Nothing constructive to add running wise. Other than.... You were on the right road and hope you get back on to it.

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