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Zodiac; the best film of the past 10 years? If not, what is?
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Re subtitles: when I was watching Blue is the Warmest Colour this week there were a couple of scenes where there is conversation over the shoulder of the in focus characters which you might want to keep an ear to if the film was in English. In one scene in particular, the lead character is talking to someone at a party while distracted and keeping an eye on the conversation behind her. To not be able to listen to it did detract somewhat from my ability to drink the scene in.
That said, it's a me problem. I should be able to speak French (I can't speak English right tbh)!
It would never put me off going to see a film, but I can understand why it limits an audience. It is harder to get lost in a movie with subtitles, you lose nuances of dialogue. And for older people that much reading might be difficult or unenjoyable.
It definitely makes a difference, to ignore that would be silly.0 -
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But subtitles are by far the most elegant solution we have. Short of the invention or discovery of some sort of Babel fish device / creature, it will remain that way too
For every moment of immersion breaking subtitle quirks, dubbing would provide ten. Similarly, I think it's just as easy to get immersed in a film with subtitles, it just becomes part of the rhythm near immediately in my experience - only if the subtitles are poor for some reason would I say otherwise.
I'm not saying subtitles are perfect (I personally believe they're not particularly difficult or distracting either), but it seems truly bizarre to me to hate them so much you'd actively avoid foreign films - the films that represent a huge proportion of the world's film output. The negatives of subtitles are outweighed a hundredfold by the benefits: they're pretty much the only way we have access to a majority of, to bring this point full circle, so many of the best films of the decade.0 -
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Weren't most of the Italian horror movies from the 70's and 80's in English? I'm thinking Argento and Fulci. I think the best in American horror from that period is as good if not better than the Italian films anyway.
Actually, while the English version of these films are probably the most common, on a lot of these films the actors actually spoke different languages and then the parts were all over-dubbed latter... which was also the case for HK movies, and actually lots of "foreign films".
Sync Sound wasn't available until the 90s in HK and in fact this led to some famous overdub artists.
Of course some Chinese people can speak Cantonse and Mandarian and in the 90s it wasn't that weird to see the actors dubbing their own voices for HK and the mainland.
And that's a bunch of stuff you probably never needed to know
As for quality... well, it depends on taste to a degree.. which the US films were often a lot better made, the actual experience of the film (if your into that) was often more interesting and strange in foreign horror... which added something for some people, like me.
My favourite US horror from the 70s and 80s would include:
Evil Dead, Maniac, Halloween and Phantasm.
Are those better than say: Suspiria, City of the Living Dead, Inferno, The Beyond and Tenebre?
But it gets more complex if you start to add things like David Cronenberg and John Carpenter and even Kubrick... if you add those guys, the US wins... otherwise... I'm not so sure.0 -
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I watched The Bird With The Crystal Plumage recently in Italian with English subtitles as I just presumed it would have been filmed with the actors speaking Italian. It was only afterwards that I discovered that the actors spoke their native language and everything was dubbed afterwards. Bizarre way of doing things...
But yeah, those were golden years for Italian horror. I felt some of the films were cheesy and the acting isn't great but the films you mentioned are certainly classics. I re-watched Suspiria and Inferno recently on blu-ray and they certainly look amazing.
It was bizarre! But sync sound was sooooo expensive to do right* and so was rejected across asia!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sync_sound
I think that Argento in particular was in a weird position, especially in the mid-80s. His movies were gaining popularity, he was working with known American actors, but ... his entire system for film making was based in Italy.. so... it became what it became.
I also think that like in Asian movies, it would have been pretty common for the Italian actors to dub their English lines as part of the process, if they could... Which of course only adds to the confusion...
*to be clear, the systems weren't THAT expensive as I understand, but controlling environments was almost impossible the way that the Italians and Asians shot (e.g. lots of verite style stuff in public places) and so it wasn't practical to do it on the budgets available...0 -
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