Uncharted 4 - A Thief's End

cloud493

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SnJPTkrD7o

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.Yes. Here is my wallet Sony take all my money.

COYVB

Useless information about the game, but it features an all new, and very sophisticated, character animation engine

That's all I've got

cloud493

All I need to hear is 'new uncharted game' :pac:

wayne040576

At least they didn't call it Uch4rted. I still have the third game sealed. Never got around to it.

Kiith

I enjoyed the 3rd. No where near as good as the 2nd (which was fantastic), but definitely worth playing.

Mr.Prodston

Whenever this is released could well be when I get the ps4.

Magill

While i don't really like uncharted games, can't deny they looked pretty amazing, especially for the hardware they were on. So excited to see what naughty dog can do with the PS4, would have preferred if they started a new IP this gen tho.

Unearthly

I love uncharted. I completed all three within about a week and then hit myself repeatedly for ignoring the series for so long

cloud493

All 4 you mean

johnny_ultimate

The series really needs to evolve and shake any complacency the studio might have following the success of the earlier games. As much as I think Uncharted 2 remains a pinnacle of the AAA blockbuster game, an increasing disconnect existed between the wonderful storytelling / atmosphere / presentation and the disappointingly genocidal gameplay. By the third game, the many great moments were distractingly broken up by tedious combat corridors. The fascinating, fully rounded Nathan Drake of the cutscenes felt increasingly disconnected from the avatar I was controlling, bar a few standout moments such as the extremely effective desert sequence. This was also true of the second game, but there maybe I was just more forgiving since that caught me so off guard after the decent but less spectacular first. There was too many good things about Uncharted 3 for it to be a bad game, but certainly it felt oddly underwhelming.

The Last of Us, though imperfect in other ways, illustrated a more mature relationship between narrative and gameplay - even if Naughty Dog surrendered to vaguely fillerish shooting and stealth just as often, at least the characterisation reflected the violence and cynicism of the world. It felt far more cohesive than Drake's Deception. Almost as if Naughty Dog realised the limitations of Uncharted and purposefully adapted the formula to work in a more appropriate setting. Let's hope it wasn't just a fluke.

Naughty Dog has long since managed to show themselves as at the top of their game in many respects. Now, they need to shake up the formula and subvert our expectations. They certainly have the talent to do so. Hopefully Uncharted 4 won't just be more of the same, but prettier, because that would be a terrible waste of great characters and developers. It's very possible to take a franchise in exciting new directions without undermining what made it memorable and special in the first place: Shadow of the Collossus, Persona 4, Half Life 2, MGS3, all those other worthy follow-ups and sequels. We shouldn't demand anything less, really.

RasTa

Only played 3 when it came free with plus.

Some bits were great however I did get bored by the end of the shooting the same people over and over

gimli2112

The first one
The Bunker
Ah hear.

richymcdermott

I loved the first two but the 3rd I agree with everyone above had memorable moments but was a let down.

The game needs to remove the linear gameplay and stop from becoming a scripted corridor shooter.

Game needs to be more open and do something new to spice up the series than becoming another prettier uncharted game

mystic86

very interesting piece:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/criticalintel/10863-Decoding-the-Uncharted-4-Teaser

richymcdermott

It appears Amy Hennig has left Naughty Dog and it has been suggested she was forced out by Neil Druckmann and Bruce Straley.

Retr0gamer

Might be for the best for Amy. She'll be snapped up by any developer and she can move away from the Uncharted series which might be refreshing for her.

matty55

Its a shame for the series she brought a lot to it.

matty55

http://youtu.be/y1Rx-Bbht5E


Looks like the game is back on track and Nolan North appears to be back to

Mr.Prodston

Very excited for this. Drake looks to have aged a few years so who knows what shape Sully is in! I'll have my PS4 acquired before this comes out anyway

COYVB

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

who knows what shape Sully is in!

Pretty bad shape come the end of the game I'm willing to wager - the suffix is almost definitely a misdirection

Mr.Prodston

COYVB wrote: »

Pretty bad shape come the end of the game I'm willing to wager - the suffix is almost definitely a misdirection

Yeah they weren't subtle about it that's for sure :pac: Guess it could be a double bluff but I'd like to see it happen if it's where the story is going. No half measures

COYVB

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Yeah they weren't subtle about it that's for sure :pac: Guess it could be a double bluff but I'd like to see it happen if it's where the story is going. No half measures

I'd like them to kill off Nate, but it's not going to happen any time soon, unless they leave things where you don't know if he's dead or not. More likely is Sully's death, leaving things open for more potential sequels down the line - but I don't expect to see Naughty Dog continuing to flog the series too regularly. It'll probably be a one every 5 years kinda series from here on

You can see the influence the TLOU team had on the trailer. Looks much darker than previous titles in my opinion.

matty55

I've a feeling someone is going to be killed off

matty55

matty55 wrote: »

I've a feeling someone is going to be killed off

I actually hope so, it's borderline ridiculous that

none of the main cast have died 3 games in

johnny_ultimate

Killing characters is a fairly standard and predictable dramatic tool, for reasons both positive and negative. These are well defined and likeable characters that interact in consistently engaging ways - there's plenty that can be done with that dynamic without reverting to a major death, although I wouldn't be surprised if this was the game where they dispatched someone (and of course deaths can be handled in a potent way too, with the necessary care). Many even excellent TV dramas particularly rely almost entirely on 'shock' deaths, which can be powerful but at the same time eventually becomes sort of a tired old schtick. But then there's the reason why the tragedy has been such a popular dramatic tool since the dawn of storytelling - life and death stakes, after all.

Uncharted 3 actually worked better because they led everyone to expect the death of Sully, but instead focused on reinforced his and Drake's relationship in a richer way - a decision that will serve them well whatever the direction of a fourth story, tragic or otherwise. But it's almost more interesting to try and draw drama without relying on a major death as a punctuation mark.

One problem with gaming deaths is that it's hard to pull off without contradicting the gameplay - especially in Uncharted where Drake survives deathly situations every few seconds. And Sully, Elena et al have survived their fair share of catastrophic events too!

johnny_ultimate

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Killing characters is a fairly standard and predictable dramatic tool, for reasons both positive and negative. These are well defined and likeable characters that interact in consistently engaging ways - there's plenty that can be done with that dynamic without reverting to a major death, although I wouldn't be surprised if this was the game where they dispatched someone (and of course deaths can be handled in a potent way too, with the necessary care). Many even excellent TV dramas particularly rely almost entirely on 'shock' deaths, which can be powerful but at the same time eventually becomes sort of a tired old schtick. But then there's the reason why the tragedy has been such a popular dramatic tool since the dawn of storytelling - life and death stakes, after all.

Uncharted 3 actually worked better because they led everyone to expect the death of Sully, but instead focused on reinforced his and Drake's relationship in a richer way - a decision that will serve them well whatever the direction of a fourth story, tragic or otherwise. But it's almost more interesting to try and draw drama without relying on a major death as a punctuation mark.

One problem with gaming deaths is that it's hard to pull off without contradicting the gameplay - especially in Uncharted where Drake survives deathly situations every few seconds. And Sully, Elena et al have survived their fair share of catastrophic events too!

I agree but still, how many cat lives can you have?? Something has to give in the series eventually just hopefully it's done tastefully and to the benefit of the actual gameplay.

In fairness

Sullys 'Death' in 3 was a bit of an :rolleyes: and really cheesy when he came back

FlyingIrishMan

M!Ck^ wrote: »

You can see the influence the TLOU team had on the trailer. Looks much darker than previous titles in my opinion.

Remember it is Stanley and Druckmann (TLOU directors) who are in charge of this game, whereas it was Amy Hennig who was in charge of Uncharted 1 - 3, though Stanley and Druckmann did a lot on Uncharted 2.

FlyingIrishMan

FlyingIrishMan wrote: »

Remember it is Stanley and Druckmann (TLOU directors) who are in charge of this game, whereas it was Amy Hennig who was in charge of Uncharted 1 - 3, though Stanley and Druckmann did a lot on Uncharted 2.

Uncharted 2 in my opinion is the current pinacle of the series.

COYVB

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Uncharted 2 in my opinion is the current pinacle of the series.

Uncharted 2 was a masterpiece. ND's best game by a mile

FlyingIrishMan

COYVB wrote: »

Uncharted 2 was a masterpiece. ND's best game by a mile

I still think TLOU has it beat, but Uncharted 2 was fantastic as well.
I've yet to even play the third one, never got around to it. Have it on PS+ but a 50GB download is daunting.

johnny_ultimate

Uncharted 2 is by far the best in the series: a huge leap in terms of quality from the first game, with some spectacular set pieces and smart characterisation. Three largely retained the quality (bar far too much combat filler) but also felt like a very minor leap compared to the huge one between the previous entries.

TLOU felt like a more coherent overall experience, as I mentioned above. Taking that gameplay / narrative harmony and applying it to Uncharted 4 is hopefully what the new creative team will focus on: it's what could and should take the series beyond being a mere rollercoaster. They need to either reduce their reliance on shooting galleries, or at least take Drake's character in a direction that reflects the body count.

Generic Dreadhead

*This just In:*
Uncharted fans like Uncharted series but still feel the need to gripe and hope that new Uncharted game does not have the corridor shooting, quips, cutscenes, set pieces and treasure hunter style of the Uncharted series. Naughty Dog begin working on way to incorporate fetch quests, grinding, RPG elements, space exploration, chess and backgammon mini games and rail shooting elements.

Rockstar to collaborate to ensure the fundamental elements you know and love of the series (but yet choose to moan about) are buried in a pile of new crap mechanics which can safely be removed to the audible sighs of relief for Uncharted 5. At this point fans of the series will take to the streets dancing and spewing confetti at how the series has gone back to it's roots and it feels like "Uncharted Again".

The phrase "Uncharted 3 was a great a game" will be, for the 1st ever, uttered without someone saying "BUT". All previous entries in the series will be re-branded as "Classic-Charted" and people will stop distinguishing between them, accepting they are just all very good games and all more of the same. Instead they'll be able to focus their vitriol on the recent 4th entry in the series asking "why did they change what wasn't broken? bring back corridors of enemies".

Despite all this Naughty Dog will still make games, hunger will still exist and the common cold will not be eradicated

dafuq??? ^^^^^

Daemos

I bet that sounded funnier in your head, didn't it? :pac:

Seriously though, most reasonable people are able to love a game and still recognise that it has flaws and isn't perfect. Hardly a ground-breaking revelation

J. Marston

Drake is looking old and seriously haggard...



It really is amazing the level of detail they can put into characters these days.

Overheal

Nonsense. You don't need all that new age hippie crap.

Now Random Black Mesa Scientist, THERE was a guy who really expressed his emotion through his body language while you crowbar him to death



Is that a Syringe needle or a Vodka Martini?

.ak

Think I'll replay all the uncharted games before this comes out! Good excuse to replay them.

Generic Dreadhead

Daemos wrote: »

I bet that sounded funnier in your head, didn't it? :pac:

Seriously though, most reasonable people are able to love a game and still recognise that it has flaws and isn't perfect. Hardly a ground-breaking revelation

Not so much funny as satire. I'm excited for Uncharted 4.

Just wish we could all leave the AAA game (even though I hate that phrase), and their relevant sequels, bashing to one side. The games are good cause of the mechanics they use. If you remove the likes of corridor shooting, snap to cover etc, then you're moving more away from playing an Uncharted game and more towards playing a bad tomb raider 3 port. On the plus side at least uncharted is not quiet a yearly release so elicits less moans and groans :pac:

Otacon

.ak wrote: »

Think I'll replay all the uncharted games before this comes out! Good excuse to replay them.

I wonder, if TLOU sells well enough on PS4, will they outsource the upgrade of U1-3 to a company like BluePoint Games and make an Uncharted Collection?

It'd be easy money IMO.

cloud493

Otacon wrote: »

I wonder, if TLOU sells well enough on PS4, will they outsource the upgrade of U1-3 to a company like BluePoint Games and make an Uncharted Collection?

It'd be easy money IMO.

Apparently redoing the last of us was more difficult than you'd think. So maybe not.

FlyingIrishMan

Otacon wrote: »

I wonder, if TLOU sells well enough on PS4, will they outsource the upgrade of U1-3 to a company like BluePoint Games and make an Uncharted Collection?

It'd be easy money IMO.

That was rumoured a couple of months ago, haven't heard anything about it since then.

Otacon

cloud493 wrote: »

Apparently redoing the last of us was more difficult than you'd think. So maybe not.

If they use similar engines though, won't all of that work with TLOU make it easier?

Benzino

Nolan North believes this is the last Uncharted game Naughty Dog want to do.

CVG wrote:

The man behind Nathan Drake thinks Uncharted 4: A Thief's End will be the last entry in the PlayStation series - from creator Naughty Dog at least.

"It's bittersweet but at a certain point you want to go out on top," North told IGN.

"If this is the last one indeed, and I believe it's the last one - nothing's confirmed, but I believe it's the last one Naughty Dog wants to do, in which case I hope somebody else doesn't pick up the mantle because they've done it so well for so long - but yeah, it's one of those things where you just have to cross that bridge when you get to it.

"I like the idea of going out on top so we better do a hell of a job with this one... and it's already looking pretty good."

Taken from CVG

Considering how good The Last of Us was, I think it's a good thing and would relish another new IP from Naughty Dog.

Varik

No chance Sony will let Uncharted go, they may let Naughty Dog start another ip but you'll see them increasing to either a 3 team studio or another dev taking over.

Benzino

Varik wrote: »

No chance Sony will let Uncharted go, they may let Naughty Dog start another ip but you'll see them increasing to either a 3 team studio or another dev taking over.

I think if Naughty Dog don't want to do it, they won't. They may get another dev to do it, lets hope that's not the case. I know they did it for 2 (?) Crash Bandicoot titles, don't think they did it for Jak & Daxter though.

FlyingIrishMan

Varik wrote: »

No chance Sony will let Uncharted go, they may let Naughty Dog start another ip but you'll see them increasing to either a 3 team studio or another dev taking over.

I dunno, I'd like to think they respect Naughty Dog enough to not give their creation to a lesser developer. Though money may talk louder.

COYVB

FlyingIrishMan wrote: »

I dunno, I'd like to think they respect Naughty Dog enough to not give their creation to a lesser developer. Though money may talk louder.

Naughty dog will be allowed to do what they want once they continue being a hit factory. If they end uncharted and replace it with something that sells just as much, don't won't care

Josey Wales

Naughty Dog have released a 1080p/60fps version of the E3 trailer. Looks pretty amazing.

Video

Fakman87

Josey Wales wrote: »

Naughty Dog have released a 1080p/60fps version of the E3 trailer. Looks pretty amazing.

Video

Am I the only one who notices the dreadful "soap opera effect" in that video?

I'm seeing it more and more on modern tvs and it looks ghastly.

richymcdermott

I adore the uncharted series but I hope uncharted 4 is just a more prettier uncharted game with more scripted moments and linear gameplay.

I hope it takes the tomb raider route and expand upon it with abit more puzzle aspect which would be nice.