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  • #992
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Could God really stop a Timelord?
    BobbyPropane wrote: »
    If God Harry Potter isn't real then how did Noah Voldemort exist?
    BobbyPropane wrote: »
    If Noah Voldemort didn't exist than why are we talking about him?

    FYPs. Proof of existence of something cannot be gained on the basis of something else that does not exist. We sometimes talk about things that they're making movies about, the fact that they're making a movie about something doesn't make it real.


  • #993
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Could God really stop a Timelord?
    [-0-] wrote: »
    We have tumbled, as though through error, into a world which by all evidence was not intended for us. We cling to a fragment of a grain of sand until such time as the chill of death shall return us to primal matter. We strut for a tiny moment upon a tiny stage, well knowing that all our aspirations are doomed to ultimate failure and that everything we have achieved will perish with our race leaving the universe as though we had never existed.

    I can't recall the author's name right now, but I will never forget this quote.

    Google says Sir James Jeans, though all the references to that quote that I could find seem to be via religious types venting about nihilism, much like JC previously.

    I for one like being finite. Apart from keeping the ego in check, it helps dispel apathy. A bit like playing a game of space invaders when your on your last life. Having infinite lives just wouldn't add to the game.


  • #994
    Geomy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    smacl wrote: »
    Google says Sir James Jeans, though all the references to that quote that I could find seem to be via religious types venting about nihilism, much like JC previously.

    I for one like being finite. Apart from keeping the ego in check, it helps dispel apathy. A bit like playing a game of space invaders when your on your last life. Having infinite lives just wouldn't add to the game.

    Well if you play well enough, you might get a few extra lives. ..


  • #995
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Could God really stop a Timelord?
    Geomy wrote: »
    Well if you play well enough, you might get a few extra lives. ..

    That rather blows my analogy to pieces. Never thought of those lads spending all day on the asteroids machine for 10p as born again video gamers, but now it all makes sense. Onward and upwards to Arcadia!


  • #996
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    BobbyPropane wrote: »
    How do you know when someone is a moderator? They tell you.
    Well, it's easiest to look just beneath the username in the panel to the left of the post.

    Or could wait until a moderator cards you which is where you're heading at the moment with that kind of content-free post.

    rgds :)


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  • #997
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    BobbyPropane wrote: »
    If God isn't real then how did Noah exist?

    Christians 1 Atheists 0

    He didn't? Or he existed the same way you and I do?
    BobbyPropane wrote: »
    If Noah didn't exist than why are we talking about him?

    Christians 2 Atheists 0

    I suppose in your mind dragons, faeries, Scooby Doo, unicorns, bugbears and Top Cat also all exist as people talk about them?
    BobbyPropane wrote: »
    How do you know when someone is a moderator? They tell you.

    3 - 0

    It's also written right there under their name. You get -30 points for setting the klaxon off 3 times.


  • #998
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So me not believing on god is NOT me using my free will? What is it then? And please don't say it's the devil/satan because I don't believe in them either.


    You choosing to go against god is your free will to do so.

    However by going against god you are entering into bondage to your sin and in effect actually giving up your free will.


  • #999
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Excercising your free will is slavery. That's what you're saying. You're not making any sense at all with this line.


  • #1000
    Liamario
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Liamario


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    You choosing to go against god is your free will to do so.

    However by going against god you are entering into bondage to your sin and in effect actually giving up your free will.

    He's not choosing to go against your god. Your god hasn't presented himself/herself in the first place. There's nothing to go against.


  • #1001
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    You choosing to go against god is your free will to do so.

    However by going against god you are entering into bondage to your sin and in effect actually giving up your free will.

    So you only have free will as long as you don't exercise it?


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  • #1002
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    So Noah, his wife Joan, and their family all got tickets to incestville!

    god, in killing off the majority of the world's population (were they ALL evil?) rewards the just by getting them to indulge in a little incest for the common good.

    You couldn't make it up.
    Oh you did!!!


  • #1003
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    You choosing to go against god is your free will to do so.

    However by going against god you are entering into bondage to your sin and in effect actually giving up your free will.

    But i still have free will....i just used it to get myself a can of coke from the vending machine.


  • #1004
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    OMG! Spoiler!
    gaynorvader wrote: »
    So you only have free will as long as you don't exercise it?

    Makes sense doesn't it?

    Remember when the slaves were set free in America,
    Of course they had to continue working the way they were before and not being paid etc, but they were free.

    If they actually left and acted free they'd be killed,

    Such a situation would make as much sense


  • #1005
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    Terrlock wrote: »
    You choosing to go against god is your free will to do so.

    However by going against god you are entering into bondage to your sin and in effect actually giving up your free will.

    Make sure to have the safe word agreed beforehand!


  • #1006
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    Sarky wrote: »
    Excercising your free will is slavery. That's what you're saying. You're not making any sense at all with this line.

    No that's not what I am saying.

    God gave you free will, you wilfully choose to live in sin. What more you justify your sins by convincing yourself it doesn't exist and therefore God doesn't exist. This leads to your sin holding your whole life in bondage until you eventually die. Thus you loose your free will.

    It's like in this life, you are free to live life, unless of course you commit a crime and if there is justice done you will go to prison for that crime and loose your free will.

    Anyone can freely choose to commit a crime, but once your locked up you loose your free will.


  • #1007
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    Make sure to have the safe word agreed beforehand!

    My safe word is the Blood of Christ Jesus


  • #1008
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    No that's not what I am saying.

    God gave you free will, you wilfully choose to live in sin. What more you justify your sins by convincing yourself it doesn't exist and therefore God doesn't exist. This leads to your sin holding your whole life in bondage until you eventually die. Thus you loose your free will.

    It's like in this life, you are free to live life, unless of course you commit a crime and if there is justice done you will go to prison for that crime and loose your free will.

    Anyone can freely choose to commit a crime, but once your locked up you loose your free will.

    So what can you do with the free will God gives you?


  • #1009
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    No that's not what I am saying.

    God gave you free will, you wilfully choose to live in sin. What more you justify your sins by convincing yourself it doesn't exist and therefore God doesn't exist. This leads to your sin holding your whole life in bondage until you eventually die. Thus you loose your free will.

    It's like in this life, you are free to live life, unless of course you commit a crime and if there is justice done you will go to prison for that crime and loose your free will.

    Anyone can freely choose to commit a crime, but once your locked up you loose your free will.

    Makes no odds as you as you also lose your free will if you end up in Heaven.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #1010
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    gaynorvader wrote: »
    So what can you do with the free will God gives you?

    Things that we cannot even fathom in this subset of reality that we are in.


  • #1011
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Terrlock wrote: »
    No that's not what I am saying.

    It really is. You should read through it again.
    God gave you free will, you wilfully choose to live in sin. What more you justify your sins by convincing yourself it doesn't exist and therefore God doesn't exist. This leads to your sin holding your whole life in bondage until you eventually die. Thus you loose your free will.

    By choosing free will you're denying free will exists. That's what you're saying here. You still aren't making any sense.
    It's like in this life, you are free to live life, unless of course you commit a crime and if there is justice done you will go to prison for that crime and loose your free will.

    Anyone can freely choose to commit a crime, but once your locked up you loose your free will.

    It's nothing like that at all. Justice systems have routes of appeal, for a start. It's one of the reasons it's called a justice system and not a punishment system. Your god has none of that. Crimes are generally things which actually cause harm to people or society. Your god gets uppity at things that cannot be called a crime by anyone with a shred of sense, like how he gets wrathful at someone for having the poor judgement to be born gay. Justice systems have finite sentences and at least some effort to rehabilitate offenders, reduced sentences for good behaviour, community service and the like. Your god goes straight to eternal punishment, no appeal.

    Your god isn't just. He's a sociopathic tyrant.


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  • #1012
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Could God really stop a Timelord?
    gaynorvader wrote: »
    So what can you do with the free will God gives you?

    Say 'Blood of Christ Jesus' and hence pretend its not a sin... ;)


  • #1013
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    Things that we cannot even fathom in this subset of reality that we are in.

    So none. If you cannot make informed decisions, you can't exercise free will.


  • #1014
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Terrlock wrote: »
    No that's not what I am saying.

    God gave you free will, you wilfully choose to live in sin. What more you justify your sins by convincing yourself it doesn't exist and therefore God doesn't exist. This leads to your sin holding your whole life in bondage until you eventually die. Thus you loose your free will.

    It's like in this life, you are free to live life, unless of course you commit a crime and if there is justice done you will go to prison for that crime and loose your free will.

    Anyone can freely choose to commit a crime, but once your locked up you loose your free will.

    Ah - there you are.

    Biblical passage that states we have Free Will Please?

    You know, the one John Calvin couldn't find even though he was not only able to recite the whole book from memory he also based an entire religion/ society on it...


  • #1015
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    koth wrote: »
    Makes no odds as you as you also lose your free will if you end up in Heaven.

    So you think that you loose your free will in heaven because you have this idea that in order to be saved, God demands you to worship him.

    Which in your mind is not free will.

    The thing is us worshipping God is for our benefit not his.


    The concepts in this reality do not govern the concepts in heaven.


  • #1016
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Sarky wrote: »
    {...} Your god gets uppity at things that cannot be called a crime by anyone with a shred of sense, like how he gets wrathful at someone for having the poor judgement to be born gay. {...}

    To be fair, Christians shouldn't believe God would be angry at homosexuals. It only appears in Moses' laws, which Jesus overwrote and in some letters a saint wrote (and we all know priests/saints can't write scripture!).

    Of course, some do, but I think they just use religion as an excuse for their bigotry.


  • #1017
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    So you think that you loose your free will in heaven because you have this idea that in order to be saved, God demands you to worship him.

    Which in your mind is not free will.

    The thing is us worshipping God is for our benefit not his.

    The concepts in this reality do not govern the concepts in heaven.

    Rejecting God is sin. Can you reject in Heaven? And if yes, are you allowed stay after doing so?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #1018
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    No that's not what I am saying.

    God gave you free will, you wilfully choose to live in sin. What more you justify your sins by convincing yourself it doesn't exist and therefore God doesn't exist. This leads to your sin holding your whole life in bondage until you eventually die. Thus you loose your free will.

    It's like in this life, you are free to live life, unless of course you commit a crime and if there is justice done you will go to prison for that crime and loose your free will.

    Anyone can freely choose to commit a crime, but once your locked up you loose your free will.

    No....you lose your freedom of movement but you don't lose your free will, the can lock you up but they cannot stop you making decisions every minute every day.


  • #1019
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    He escapes at the end of the movie doesn't he?
    Free Will-y!!!

    He escapes in the movie Noah too!!!


  • #1020
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    koth wrote: »
    Rejecting God is sin. Can you reject in Heaven? And if yes, are you allowed stay after doing so?

    I don't think it's as simple as that.

    If God is life itself...then rejecting God is to reject life.

    It's akin to someone trying to commit suicide and also trying to bring everyone else with them.


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  • #1021
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Terrlock wrote: »
    I don't think it's as simple as that.

    If God is life itself...then rejecting God is to reject life.

    It's akin to someone trying to commit suicide and also trying to bring everyone else with them.

    I'm a suicide bomber now?


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