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Same Sex Marriage (Poll on The Journal)

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    #152
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    joe swanson wrote: »
    I voted no and will do so in any referendum. Having read the thread, thats the end of my input as i believe its a topic that cannot be debated on boards without descending into abuse, and the shouting down of people with differing view points eg retarded which i find offensive.

    Reminds me of this gem of a quote from Karl Popper;
    “Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society... then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them... We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.”


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    #153
    Jester252
    Registered Users Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    I wouldn't vote if I had to travel to do so.


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    #154
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    joe swanson wrote: »
    Proof of my point. Im out.

    See; it's not that difficult getting through the closet door :D;)


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    #155
    R.F.
    Registered Users Posts: 566 ✭✭✭R.F.


    joe swanson wrote: »
    Proof of my point. Im out.

    Why bother announcing your vote if you arent going to bother arguing it?

    Its not a public vote, so you could have left it at that


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    #156
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    poundapunnet wrote: »
    Yeah but they always say its not that, I'd like to hear their side of it like. Plus I think there's a better chance of convincing people if you don't immediately dismiss their views and try to reason it out with them instead, and I think convincing people is important

    We'll never know now; Joe's too afraid to give his reasons against gay marriage :( Tbh, I think he only came on this thread so he could make a dramatic flounce :P


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    #157
    poundapunnet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭poundapunnet


    old hippy wrote: »
    We'll never know now; Joe's too afraid to give his reasons against gay marriage :( Tbh, I think he only came on this thread so he could make a dramatic flounce :P

    He was in no mad rush to take me up on my PM offer either for some reason :pac:


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    #158
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    poundapunnet wrote: »
    He was in no mad rush to take me up on my PM offer either for some reason :pac:

    Probably thought you were going to ask for his hand. Or something. ;);)

    Joshing aside, I do find it curious that some posters will attend a thread only to say that they are not allowed have their say :confused:

    Methinks Joe knows deep down that his reasons against gay people getting married are quite ridiculous if held up to a modicum of scrutiny, hence the hasty exit, stage right.


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    #159
    AnonoBoy
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    joe swanson wrote: »
    Proof of my point. Im out.

    "I got my reasons but I ain't saying what they are because I know I can't back them up in reasoned debate. So peace, I'm outtie"

    *Drops mic, walks off stage*


    STICK IT TO THE MAN JOE!!!!!! :pac:


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    #160
    seenitall
    Registered Users Posts: 3,715 ✭✭✭seenitall


    old hippy wrote: »
    Joshing aside, I do find it curious that some posters will attend a thread only to say that they are not allowed have their say :confused:

    Methinks Joe knows deep down that his reasons against gay people getting married are quite ridiculous if held up to a modicum of scrutiny, hence the hasty exit, stage right.

    I don't think it's anything self-aware as that. It's about giving the two fingers to the vast majority in this thread. You can bet he'd be happy to discuss his views if the majority were sharing them.

    In other words, if he can't beat us, he most certainly won't be joining us! :D


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    #161
    Annasopra
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    joe swanson wrote: »
    Proof of my point. Im out.

    What is your point though?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #162
    40now
    Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭40now


    What is your point???


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    #163
    Friend Computer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Friend Computer


    Attention seeking. Why else would someone say they've something to say but they're not going to say it?


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    #164
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    mango salsa wrote: »
    What is your point though?

    It's icky, un-natural, wrong, scares the kids, end of society, gateway to marrying goats and is a divil to get the stains out?


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    #165
    realgolfgeek
    Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭realgolfgeek


    My Vote is against same sex marriage.
    I don't believe in it, I think it's wrong, and I think it's wrong to bring up children with two daddies, or two mummies.


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    #166
    theblaqueguy
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    I would also vote against it


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    #167
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    realgolfgeek wrote: »
    My Vote is against same sex marriage.
    I don't believe in it, I think it's wrong, and I think it's wrong to bring up children with two daddies, or two mummies.

    Why is it "wrong", though? Surely if a child has two loving parents, that's all that matters? I often wish I had a happy family, regardless of who was married to who.

    Is it also wrong for single parent families to bring up children?


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    #168
    GorillaRising
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    mango salsa wrote: »
    What is your point though?
    old hippy wrote: »
    It's icky, un-natural, wrong, scares the kids, end of society, gateway to marrying goats and is a divil to get the stains out?

    This is his point. People who are opposed to it are immediately insulted. You can say what you want about those opposed to it, but not the other way around it seems.

    I personally can't think of a single reason for gay people not to be allowed get married.

    Is it important to me? No. Will I vote? No. Do I have more pressing issues I'm concerned about? Yes, so I'll reserve my energy for those.


    Let the abuse commence. :rolleyes:


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    #169
    realgolfgeek
    Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭realgolfgeek


    old hippy wrote: »
    Is it also wrong for single parent families to bring up children?

    No, I don't think it's wrong, but I think it's very unfortunate.


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    #170
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    theblaqueguy wrote: »
    I would also vote against it

    Why? We all know from other posts that you like the ladies and you have an enormous member, so surely you can't feel threatened by two people who love each other... :confused:


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    #171
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    realgolfgeek wrote: »
    No, I don't think it's wrong, but I think it's very unfortunate.

    Why? If the child is loved isn't that the main thing? Would you prefer the single parent to have a partner? Would the partner have to be straight?


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    #172
    cletus van damme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭cletus van damme


    old hippy wrote: »
    It's icky, un-natural, wrong, scares the kids, end of society, gateway to marrying goats and is a divil to get the stains out?


    I'm not against gay marriage.

    But I'd like a distinction between the different types of marriage be that hetro, same sex , polygamy or inter human -goat marriage.
    all with equal rights - I support them all.

    However what i would really strive for is for the state(tax, inheritance etc.._) benefits of marriage to be extended to couple who choose to be dependant on each other but don't recognise the right of the church/state to validate their relationship.


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    #173
    theblaqueguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 401 ✭✭theblaqueguy


    old hippy wrote: »
    Why? We all know from other posts that you like the ladies and you have an enormous member, so surely you can't feel threatened by two people who love each other... :confused:

    because if there the only people left on the earth there will be no more babies because they won't be reproducing and the human race will cease to exist


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    #174
    coffee_cake
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    theblaqueguy wrote: »
    because if there the only people left on the earth there will be no more babies because they won't be reproducing and the human race will cease to exist

    Well have a little consideration and stop going around killing all the straight people then!


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    #175
    realgolfgeek
    Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭realgolfgeek


    old hippy wrote: »
    Why? If the child is loved isn't that the main thing? Would you prefer the single parent to have a partner? Would the partner have to be straight?

    Yes, I would prefer the single parent to have a partner, and Yes, the partner would have to be straight imo.


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    #176
    CrabRevolution
    Registered Users Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    The blame for the against side cant all be laid at the door of the old and religious. I know of a good few people around my age (20) who wouldnt know what the inside of a church looks like but would still be against gay marriage just based on not liking the idea.


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    #177
    cletus van damme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭cletus van damme


    CrabRevolution wrote: »
    The blame for the against side cant all be laid at the door of the old and religious. I know of a good few people around my age (20) who wouldnt know what the inside of a church looks like but would still be against gay marriage just based on not liking the idea.

    agreed.
    I have to admit that allegation of church loving is a fairly lazy accusation.

    some people just don't want it and maybe don't have a reason other than that is how they feel.
    I would have a similar opinion on my peers (30s/40s) who a decent minority would vote against it not for religious reasons but just cos they're given a choice and pick x instead of y


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    #178
    Absoluvely
    Registered Users Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Absoluvely


    realgolfgeek wrote: »
    My Vote is against same sex marriage.
    I don't believe in it, I think it's wrong, and I think it's wrong to bring up children with two daddies, or two mummies.
    theblaqueguy wrote: »
    I would also vote against it

    You think that certain legal rights (e.g. eligibility to marry one of the Jedward twins*) should only be given to women and other similar legal rights should only be given to men.

    You are sexists.

    Do you agree that you are sexists?

    If you don't agree that you're sexists, can you explain why gender-dependent legal rights isn't an example of sexism?

    *no need to comment on my poor, yet arbitrary choice of males


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    #179
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    I'm totally in favour of it and it's one of the few instances I can hand on heart say I know I'm 100% right and those opposed to it are 100% wrong.

    There is literally not a single good reason to be opposed to it. No matter if it's based in religion or if you simply don't like the idea of gays being committed to one another in an official capacity- either way your view is rooted in bigotry and hate.


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    #180
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    realgolfgeek wrote: »
    Yes, I would prefer the single parent to have a partner, and Yes, the partner would have to be straight imo.

    But what if the single parent is gay? You don't want him or her to bring up the children on his/her own. What's your solution?


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    #181
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    theblaqueguy wrote: »
    because if there the only people left on the earth there will be no more babies because they won't be reproducing and the human race will cease to exist

    There have been gay people since the dawn of time. How are is the human race suddenly going to cease to exist? :confused:


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