Help picking a bangeromics car

steven087

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/02-citroen-saxo-1-1-petrol/5813543

Thoughts on this guys
Rang guy said he bought it for daughter to drive to collage but see going to a further collage so will not be driving said all he can see it needs two tyres for a test out a month sounds a very genuine man too
What these like never drove one

Kaiser D

steven087 wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/02-citroen-saxo-1-1-petrol/5813543

Thoughts on this guys
Rang guy said he bought it for daughter to drive to collage but see going to a further collage so will not be driving said all he can see it needs two tyres for a test out a month sounds a very genuine man too
What these like never drove one

If it just needs two tyres ask him to put it through the NCT and you'll give him a bit more for it. Lights and decals along the side look ****e.

And theres no way its got 13,500 miles tbh.

steven087

Kaiser D wrote: »

If it just needs two tyres ask him to put it through the NCT and you'll give him a bit more for it. Lights and decals along the side look ****e.

And theres no way its got 13,500 miles tbh.

Looks don't bother me too much
Just wondering in general any problems with these cars I should look for ya I think it's 135k

JohnBoy26

steven087 wrote: »

Looks don't bother me too much
Just wondering in general any problems with these cars I should look for ya I think it's 135k

Those cars aren't bad. The thing is though you could get a much better example for not much more.

I would aim for a 1.0 version though as it's a good bit cheaper to tax.

Im not sure if the saxo came in 1liter but it's sister car, the peugeot 106 did.

Kaiser D

Pedals are awfully close together on those Saxos too. If you've driven a Cinquecento/Seicento you'll know.

steven087

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Those cars aren't bad. The thing is though you could get a much better example for not much more.

I would aim for a 1.0 version though as it's a good bit cheaper to tax.

Im not sure if the saxo came in 1liter but it's sister car, the peugeot 106 did.

I was going to go with that corrola I was on about but he wants 1200 for it just passed nct today until till 1/15 and it's a saloon 00 too much?

JohnBoy26

steven087 wrote: »

I was going to go with that corrola I was on about but he wants 1200 for it just passed nct today until till 1/15 and it's a saloon 00 too much?

Imo it's about the going rate for an average example with average miles.

steven087

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Imo it's about the going rate for an average example with average miles.

It's clean enough it has 160k on the clock

steven087

Just seen a clean one not far from me
Only has it six months
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/00-corolla-1-4/5644589
He said he will take 1200

pajor

steven087 wrote: »

Just seen a clean one not far from me
Only has it six months
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/00-corolla-1-4/5644589
He said he will take 1200

If it's what you want, go for it!

Top Dog

steven087 wrote: »

Just seen a clean one not far from me
Only has it six months
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/00-corolla-1-4/5644589
He said he will take 1200

Classic Irish specification - rear spoiler & hub-caps

steven087

What's the best things to look for when looking at that silver 00 corrola I posted earlier.
Going looking tomorrow anything specific that I should look at regarding them

Kaiser D

steven087 wrote: »

What's the best things to look for when looking at that silver 00 corrola I posted earlier.
Going looking tomorrow anything specific that I should look at regarding them

Not really. Its a 13 y/o car so just look at it as you would any other car of the same age. At this age it falls down to the particular car and not the model in general.

steven087

http://www.adverts.ie/3948965

Toyotafanboi

steven087 wrote: »

What's the best things to look for when looking at that silver 00 corrola I posted earlier.
Going looking tomorrow anything specific that I should look at regarding them

that particular one is a little tired looking if i'm honest. what particularly draws you to it? its a high miler and a a little rough.

those early 1.4 vvti's weren't toyotas finest effort. check its not an oil burner (a recent NCT pass would suggest it mightn't be). listen for a rattling timing chain and for rattling from the inlet manifold while driving. afaik the inlet manifold can stay broken and it wont affect the engines running but the noise would drive you nuts.

the electric window controls on the driver side can go too so check that and working second hand ones are getting hard come by too. the rear suspention arb bushings and links are also prone to wear but having passed the NCT recently they should be ok too.

if you were to step back a year to a 99 model, the 1.3 engine is far better quality and just as peppy as the 1.4.

Kaiser D

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

i put my reg into your link and it says my car has no NCT. and it definitely has :pac:

bangernomics : http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-sonata/5782219

if it had NCT, it could be had (according to the advert) for very close to bangernomics money

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-sonata-new-model-2005/5217665

I did doubt that link too. But I've put all of my regs in and they've all come back correct. And being honest, my gut tells me the Almera doesn't have NCT.

I like that generation of Sonata, I reckon the 2.4 model will be down to €2,000 soon.

JohnBoy26

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

that particular one is a little tired looking if i'm honest. what particularly draws you to it? its a high miler and a a little rough.

those early 1.4 vvti's weren't toyotas finest effort. check its not an oil burner (a recent NCT pass would suggest it mightn't be). listen for a rattling timing chain and for rattling from the inlet manifold while driving. afaik the inlet manifold can stay broken and it wont affect the engines running but the noise would drive you nuts.

the electric window controls on the driver side can go too so check that and working second hand ones are getting hard come by too. the rear suspention arb bushings and links are also prone to wear but having passed the NCT recently they should be ok too.

if you were to step back a year to a 99 model, the 1.3 engine is far better quality and just as peppy as the 1.4.

The 1.4 vvti isn't as bad as some make out. Yes some do burn oil but it isn't that much of an issue if you service the car every 6 to 7k miles instead of the recommended 9. Obviously keeping an eye on the oil level in between services is also a must as well.

Having owned both I found the vvt-i to be smoother and quieter than the 4e-fe. It also felt less strained at motorway speed and has lighter power steering.(the steering in the 4e can feel a touch heavy when turning in tight spaces).

Having said all that, the 4e-fe is the tougher unit.
They just go and go and give very little issues. They can also withstand lots of neglect, something I doubt a vvti could do.

As for bushing and links they are cheap to replace. The things to check are the rear shock absorbers. They are a weak point on those corollas.

Toyotafanboi

i had a real ****heap heart breaker of the 1.4 vvti before and i think it has just left a bad taste in my mouth if i'm honest. it was like a screwed out d-turbo for smoke... that said i had a 1600 SR vvti and it was an absolute peach, ran like a dream. had at least 2 4e powered corollas and i just prefer the engines robustness, if the 4e were chain driven it would be my dream :P

that being said i would much prefer a facelift car overall, as you said, the 1400 is still a nice engine and the facelift is much more handsome on the outside, not to mention the massive leap in interior standards from the pre facelift.

i did mean to add that the rear suspension bits are pretty cheap. bushes around €3 per side and a DIY'er could change the pair in 20 mins.

JohnBoy26

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

i had a real ****heap heart breaker of the 1.4 vvti before and i think it has just left a bad taste in my mouth if i'm honest. it was like a screwed out d-turbo for smoke... that said i had a 1600 SR vvti and it was an absolute peach, ran like a dream. had at least 2 4e powered corollas and i just prefer the engines robustness, if the 4e were chain driven it would be my dream :P

that being said i would much prefer a facelift car overall, as you said, the 1400 is still a nice engine and the facelift is much more handsome on the outside, not to mention the massive leap in interior standards from the pre facelift.

i did mean to add that the rear suspension bits are pretty cheap. bushes around €3 per side and a DIY'er could change the pair in 20 mins.

I've seen some vvti's that have been like you described and some others including my own have been fine. I think it could all be down to past maintenance from when the car was new.(eg how often the oil was changed+ the type of driving). I know they should really be more tolerant like the engine they replaced but unfortunately they are not.

Tbelt on the 4e is hardly a worry:p They do big mileage and are cheap and easy to replace. No need for expensive kits like on other cars.

As for the interior I have to agree. While it still may be dull it's a huge improvement over the horrible beige on the bug eye models. It also has more supportive seats. The front end is also much nicer as you say.

You probably did mention the bushing being cheap alright:) My point was that the shocks are more important to inspect as with corollas that age some are still on original shocks and they do tend to leak even on low mileage examples.

steven087

[q="JohnBoy26;8I've seen some vvti's that have be. like you described and some others including my mode have been fine. I think it could all be down to past maintenance from when the car was new.(eg how often the oil was changed+ the type of driving). I know they should really be more tolerant like the engine they replaced but unfortunately they are not.

Tbelt on the 4e is hardly a worry:p They do big mileage and are cheap and easy to replace. No need for expensive kits like on other cars.

As for the interior I have to agree. While it still may be dull it's a huge improvement over the horrible beige on the bug eye models. It also has more supportive seats. The front end is also much nicer as you say.

You probably did mention the bushing being cheap alright:) My point was that the shocks are more important to inspect as with corollas that age some are still on original shocks and they do tend to leak even on low mileage examples.[/quote]

So for 1200 if everthing looks ok that a ok price can also get same year and milage but the bug eye model for same price but not as clean imo

Toyotafanboi

steven087 wrote: »

So for 1200 if everthing looks ok that a ok price can also get same year and milage but the bug eye model for same price but not as clean imo

id get the bug eye. that said if you claim the bug eye isn't as clean as that silver one it must be quite bad because the silver one is quite tatty.

personally wouldn't go more than 950 - 1k tops for the silver one.

have you a link to the other one?

steven087

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

id get the bug eye. that said if you claim the bug eye isn't as clean as that silver one it must be quite bad because the silver one is quite tatty.

personally wouldn't go more than 950 - 1k tops for the silver one.

have you a link to the other one?

No haven't a link its in my local garage.
What's the difference? Just looks is it

Kaiser D

I'd go for the bug eye one too.

Although even €1k seems a bit steep tbh. As I've said before, I posted one a few pages back with brand new NCT for €650.

Kaiser D

One for steven,

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1999-toyota-corolla-1-3-4dr-92k-miles/5859889

Cheaper that the two you are looking at and nearly half the miles

Toyotafanboi

steven087 wrote: »

No haven't a link its in my local garage.
What's the difference? Just looks is it

didn't you read the posts on the previous page?

mainly looks. arguably a more robust engine in the bug eye.

looking at this one you linked. http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/00-corolla-1-4/5644589

the overspray on the mudflap would have me questioning a few things. different style reg plates front and rear.
mainly i suppose the towbar, the high mileage and the muck absolutely ground into the drivers footwell wouldn't make me fall in love with it, i'd say that corolla has seen a hard life.

your money would get you much more elsewhere, particularly with such a plentiful car as a corolla.

good advice has two qualities, do you know what they are?

Toyotafanboi

Kaiser D wrote: »

One for steven,

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1999-toyota-corolla-1-3-4dr-92k-miles/5859889

Cheaper that the two you are looking at and nearly half the miles

an infinitely better car.

steven087

Kaiser D wrote: »

One for steven,

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1999-toyota-corolla-1-3-4dr-92k-miles/5859889

Cheaper that the two you are looking at and nearly half the miles

She looks clean and very low milage ill give him a call and see.

Toyotafanboi

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/00-toyota-corolla-1-4-petrol-/5831541
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corola-1-4-petrol/5829812
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla/5817398

3 fresher looking galway located corollas. all with NCT and within your budget...

Kaiser D

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/00-toyota-corolla-1-4-petrol-/5831541
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corola-1-4-petrol/5829812
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla/5817398

3 fresher looking galway located corollas. all with NCT and within your budget...

I'd take the second car, would be nice at €1k.

Toyotafanboi

it's unfortunate the diesel isn't a saloon.

Kaiser D

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

it's unfortunate the diesel isn't a saloon.

Aye but the liftback is pretty handy.

Is liftback a deal breaker steven?

Toyotafanboi

very convenient, a lot of people seem to think it looks quite ungainly though.

steven087

Kaiser D wrote: »

Aye but the liftback is pretty handy.

Is liftback a deal breaker steven?

Ya I don't like the lift back ones at all for some reason
The second one looks decent and not far from me

JohnBoy26

Kaiser D wrote: »

Aye but the liftback is pretty handy.

Is liftback a deal breaker steven?

If I was looking for a Corolla It would be a deal breaker for me. Not because of it's looks but because it's built in the uk and is not as well built as the Japanese built saloon/3dr/estate.

pajor

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

If I was looking for a Corolla It would be a deal breaker for me. Not because of it's looks but because it's built in the uk and is not as well built as the Japanese built saloon/3dr/estate.

+1. Was thinking the same.

I know it was talked about here recently enough and I know there definitely is a grain of truth about the build quality because of it.

steven087

Wasn't really looking at hatchbacks but just seen this problem **** driven out of it tho http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-vvti/5806763

Kaiser D

steven087 wrote: »

Wasn't really looking at hatchbacks but just seen this problem **** driven out of it tho http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-vvti/5806763

I wouldn't go near that tbh.


Another offering,

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/98-nissan-almera-1-6-new-nct/5732429

NCT until August 2014 for €650.

JohnBoy26

steven087 wrote: »

Wasn't really looking at hatchbacks but just seen this problem **** driven out of it tho http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-vvti/5806763

nah stick to a standard unmodified example. Cars like in the above ad can be a can of worms.

steven087

What you guys think of the 306
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugeot-306-1-4-litre-petrol/5839693

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugout-306-meridian/5781224

See I am open to getting any type of car as long as it's under 1.4 due to my ban I wouldn't get insured in anything above that

dgt

steven087 wrote: »

What you guys think of the 306
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugeot-306-1-4-litre-petrol/5839693

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugout-306-meridian/5781224

See I am open to getting any type of car as long as it's under 1.4 due to my ban I wouldn't get insured in anything above that

Mind the rear axle, watch the key barrels and you won't go too far wrong. Both of those are ph3 examples with decent spec

steven087

dgt wrote: »

Mind the rear axle, watch the key barrels and you won't go too far wrong. Both of those are ph3 examples with decent spec

Ya had a 206 with axel problems before
Is there much too in the 306

dgt

steven087 wrote: »

Ya had a 206 with axel problems before
Is there much too in the 306

Not as much but it's still there. Bearings go dry and wheels lie out, eating the tyres. Catch it in time before a groove is worn in and you shouldn't have problems again for a while. Otherwise it's a new axle!

steven087

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugout-306-meridian/5781224

Was chatting to women that owns this.
*has it 4 years
*only selling due to buying another family members car (bigger)
*said it's spotless inside and out
*never gave trouble only few minor things most expensive was that airbag light stayed on and needed to replace for it nct cost 200
*said she will come down in price a bit
*car is only couple miles away from me and I now her son ha.

Good buy or not

Toyotafanboi

i'l await dgt's input on the pug. i can only asume from my barstool that the pug 1.4 wont take 160k miles as well as a corollas.

JohnBoy26

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

i'l await dgt's input on the pug. i can only asume from my barstool that the pug 1.4 wont take 160k miles as well as a corollas.

And all I will say from my barstool, is that the 99 corolla Kaiser D linked is much better value imo than that pug. Id gladly spend a hundred or two extra on it.:)

steven087

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

And all I will say from my barstool, is that the 99 corolla Kaiser D linked is much better value imo than that pug. Id gladly spend a hundred or two extra on it.:)

I no its just the corrola in Dublin and the pug just up road.
I'm gonna offer her 700 For it I think.

JohnBoy26

steven087 wrote: »

I no its just the corrola in Dublin and the pug just up road.
I'm gonna offer her 700 For it I think.

Id be going to Dublin if it's a choice between the two:pac:

colm_mcm

steven087 wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugout-306-meridian/5781224

Was chatting to women that owns this.
*has it 4 years
*only selling due to buying another family members car (bigger)
*said it's spotless inside and out
*never gave trouble only few minor things most expensive was that airbag light stayed on and needed to replace for it nct cost 200
*said she will come down in price a bit
*car is only couple miles away from me and I now her son ha.

Good buy or not

To put things in perspective, I bought a 00 xsara (essentially the same car) with less mileage (60,000) for a quarter of her asking price in 2009.

306s are old hat now. No way is it worth more than 400

dgt

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

i'l await dgt's input on the pug. i can only asume from my barstool that the pug 1.4 wont take 160k miles as well as a corollas.

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

And all I will say from my barstool, is that the 99 corolla Kaiser D linked is much better value imo than that pug. Id gladly spend a hundred or two extra on it.:)

Pretty much, the TU wouldn't burn as much oil as the toyota 1.4 (unless it was addressed to) but at the same time 160k miles on that would have me asking that price to have a good few hundred knocked off. Was the airbag ECU replaced or just a cheapo micro-controller kit wired into the airbag light? Its a very common PSA fault, connectors under the seats usually at fault

When you can buy an XUD for not much more why would you get that? Even if it's in meridian spec....

It certainly looks clean but tread with lots of caution

JohnBoy26

dgt wrote: »

Pretty much, the TU wouldn't burn as much oil as the toyota 1.4 (unless it was addressed to) but at the same time 160k miles on that would have me asking that price to have a good few hundred knocked off. Was the airbag ECU replaced or just a cheapo micro-controller kit wired into the airbag light? Its a very common PSA fault, connectors under the seats usually at fault

When you can buy an XUD for not much more why would you get that? Even if it's in meridian spec....

It certainly looks clean but tread with lots of caution

Your probably correct in regard to those pugs not burning oil. However it's the red corolla with the 4e-fe I was referring to so no burning oil issues should be present.

Im not saying that a Corolla is better than a 306 or vice versa but out of those two examples the Corolla is the better car Imo and I think it's the best car so far in terms of condition and mileage to be recommended to the op.

dgt

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Your probably correct in regard to those pugs not burning oil. However it's the red corolla with the 4e-fe I was referring to so no burning oil issues should be present.

Im not saying that a Corolla is better than a 306 or vice versa but out of those two examples the Corolla is the better car Imo and I think it's the best car so far in terms of condition and mileage to be recommended to the op.

The pug is too expensive, I'd want it for about €500 and even then I'd still be questioning whether to buy or not... More room in the corolla as they're either liftbacks or saloons suggested

What's the story with rust on those corollas? A lot of pugs in the 90s weren't rust protected properly and as a result crumble in odd places that no one sees....