Less attractive people

urabell

Are less attractive people more attracted to other less attractive people than an attractive person would be? For example in a nightclub setting it's pretty common you'll see two mingers eating the face off each other, are they actually attracted to each other or are they just settling? I know there's a certain level of subjectivity but some people just don't have any aesthetic qualities.

Obviously this doesn't apply to relationships and actually falling in love, I've fallen head over heels for girls that, when it comes to looks just aren't in my league. I'd take an ugly life partner who I could relate to over a wetser with no personality any day, obviously I'll go for the best of both worlds if I can though. When it comes to one night stands though it's all about looks and I won't settle.

TLDR Do less attractive people find other less attractive people attractive or are they just settling for what they can get?

Gran Hermano

urabell wrote: »

... over a wetser with no personality...

A true champion of modern day prose.

Links234

this might shock you to find out, but there's no real objective standard for attractiveness, and different people will find different people attractive

brummytom

Speaking as a less attractive person: No, I'm not attracted to fellow facially-unfortunate people.

miss no stars

Links234 wrote: »

this might shock you to find out, but there's no real objective standard for attractiveness, and different people will find different people attractive

Put Cara Delevingne next to someone who's short, fat, has bad skin, a big forehead & chin, crooked nose, pokey eyes and a measly mouth and tell me there's no such thing as an objective standard for attractiveness.

Sure, people will have differences in who they're attracted to visually, but overall some people ARE more attractive than others. If no such difference really existed, people like Cara wouldn't be rolling in it.

urabell

brummytom wrote: »

Speaking as a less attractive person: No, I'm not attracted to fellow facially-unfortunate people.

Thank you for the honesty, that being said actual ugly people are as rare as hen's teeth, a few aesthetic improvements and an attitude change will sort most people out. We're all gonna make it it the end friend

Howard Juneau

No, my wife is quite good looking,
but I'd make quasimodo feel pity for me lookswise.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

miss no stars wrote: »

Put Cara Delevingne next to someone who's short, fat, has bad skin, a big forehead & chin, crooked nose, pokey eyes and a measly mouth and tell me there's no such thing as an objective standard for attractiveness.

... i don't know which one is supposed to be the objective standard in this example.

Neeson

That CD one looks very manly. Too much so for my liking.

mutley18

Neeson wrote: »

That CD one looks very manly. Too much so for my liking.

She looks like my brother.

miss no stars

mutley18 wrote: »

She looks like my brother.

If your brother looks like this he could make a lot of money:

We take all comers.

Links234

miss no stars wrote: »

Put Cara Delevingne next to someone who's short, fat, has bad skin, a big forehead & chin, crooked nose, pokey eyes and a measly mouth and tell me there's no such thing as an objective standard for attractiveness.

Sure, people will have differences in who they're attracted to visually, but overall some people ARE more attractive than others. If no such difference really existed, people like Cara wouldn't be rolling in it.

had to look up who that was, http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Cara+Delevingne+Samsung+Galaxy+Features+Arrivals+Rpt56pZPWA6l.jpg

see to me, she's not particularly attractive. it's the ultra skinny model thing, not a draw for me at all

urabell

Links234 wrote: »

had to look up who that was, http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Cara+Delevingne+Samsung+Galaxy+Features+Arrivals+Rpt56pZPWA6l.jpg

see to me, she's not particularly attractive. it's the ultra skinny model thing, not a draw for me at all

So you're not really attracted which is fine, have you ever found yourself playing tonsil hockey with a girl of her type in a nightclub? I just don't understand why people hook up with someone they're not physically attracted to.

Alter-Ego

mutley18 wrote: »

She looks like my brother.

She looks a bit like a junkie that spat at me a few years ago on abbey street.

jubella

urabell wrote: »

So you're not really attracted which is fine, have you ever found yourself playing tonsil hockey with a girl of her type in a nightclub? I just don't understand why people hook up with someone they're not physically attracted to.

Alcohol.

Muise...

Deleted User wrote: »

We take all comers.

and goers, eh? Know what I mean, know what I mean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gncBKNAqcds

urabell

Alter-Ego wrote: »

She looks a bit like a junkie that spat at me a few years ago on abbey street.

You can tell she is actually attractive though because people are getting away with taking shots at her, there's not a hope in hell some fat bird would be allowed to be torn apart like this

Femme_Fatale

miss no stars wrote: »

Put Cara Delevingne next to someone who's short, fat, has bad skin, a big forehead & chin, crooked nose, pokey eyes and a measly mouth and tell me there's no such thing as an objective standard for attractiveness.

Sure, people will have differences in who they're attracted to visually, but overall some people ARE more attractive than others. If no such difference really existed, people like Cara wouldn't be rolling in it.

I'd replace Cara D with Michelle Pfeiffer and then I'd agree with you 100%.

I can see how Cara's look wouldn't be deemed objectively beautiful. If she put on a bit of weight and got her eyebrows waxed I'd bet she'd have more admirers.

Muise...

Muise... wrote: »

and goers, eh? Know what I mean, know what I mean?

Say no more!

jaffusmax

You don`t look at the mantelpiece when you`re poking the fire!

Links234

urabell wrote: »

there's not a hope in hell some fat bird would be allowed to be torn apart like this

:rolleyes:

SV

jaffusmax wrote: »

You don`t look at the mantelpiece when you`re poking the fire!

See, this quote is always thrown out there but I don't know any man who has sex with a woman and actually spends the time staring at her vagina during it.

miss no stars

Links234 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

It's true though

creep

I usually try the fit women first but that never ever works.:(:( I then drink more to heal the pain of rejection throughout the night and take home any yoke that will have me. I found Beer Goggles to be quite effective in turning horrid women into quite pleasurable looking women until the next morning. I usually set the alarm on my phone and say I have to go into work to get them away. The Uggos I pick up are quite clingy

My name is URL

miss no stars wrote: »

If your brother looks like this he could make a lot of money:

My granny could look like that if she was wearing that much makeup... and she's been dead for 8 years.

bnt

You do know that sociologists do research on this kind of stuff, right?

Example: Computer Graphic Studies of the Role of Facial Similarity in Judgements of Attractiveness

From the Abstract:

Using computer graphic techniques, opposite sex facial stimuli were generated from subjects’ photographs. Experiment 1 showed a correlation between attractiveness and similarity but the effect can be explained by the attractiveness of average faces. Beyond this, there was a trend for individual subjects to rate opposite sex images with a similar face shape to their own face as more attractive than other subjects. Experiment 2 allowed subjects to interactively manipulate an opposite sex facial image along a continuum from a self-similar shape, through an average face shape, to a face with opposite characteristics. No significant preferences for self-similar or opposite characteristics were found. Preferences for average faces are stronger than preferences for self-similar faces.

(emphasis added)

miss no stars

bnt wrote: »

You do know that sociologists do research on this kind of stuff, right?

Example: Computer Graphic Studies of the Role of Facial Similarity in Judgements of Attractiveness

From the Abstract:

(emphasis added)

Another point of note would be...

Preferences for average faces are stronger than preferences for self-similar faces.

So more people prefer an average face shape than a non-average face shape.

So people with average shaped faces are objectively found to be more attractive than people wit other face shapes (with similar features)

tim3000

I wouldn't a particularly bad looking fella. But there are night where I have not exactly pulled a high standard of a girl. But sometimes you have to take what you get so to speak. That said I have yet to meet a hot girl with low enough standards for me ha

Professor Knowall

urabell wrote: »

Thank you for the honesty, that being said actual ugly people are as rare as hen's teeth, a few aesthetic improvements and an attitude change will sort most people out. We're all gonna make it it the end friend

Not in Donegal they aren't. Uglies are the rule not the exception. Something about in-breeding a couple of generations back.

deise08

Personally I couldn't be with any one I wasn't attracted to. Be happy though if could get anyone to look in my direction ha ha

Muise...

Professor Knowall wrote: »

Not in Donegal they aren't. Uglies are the rule not the exception. Something about in-breeding a couple of generations back.

one of the prettiest women I know is from Killybegs. A blue-eyed, raven-haired little faery, she is.

mfceiling

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I'd replace Cara D with Michelle Pfeiffer and then I'd agree with you 100%.

I can see how Cara's look wouldn't be deemed objectively beautiful. If she put on a bit of weight and got her eyebrows waxed I'd bet she'd have more admirers.

I was looking at them too....jesus they'd give the gallagher brothers a run for it.

Howard Juneau

Muise... wrote: »

one of the prettiest women I know is from Killybegs. A blue-eyed, raven-haired little faery, she is.

Sounds more like the infamous Letterkenny Ladyboy

Bullseye

It's either disengenuous or self delusion to think that there isn't at the very least a loose hierarchy of physical attractiveness. Sure not everyone's scale is exactly the same, but people's scales are very similar.

Muise...

Muise... wrote: »

one of the prettiest women I know is from Killybegs. A blue-eyed, raven-haired little faery, she is.

Man, that's an odd way to describe your mother.

Peetrik

SV wrote: »

See, this quote is always thrown out there but I don't know any man who has sex with a woman and actually spends the time staring at her vagina during it.

I think that phrase is more about the body than the actual vagina... as in, with the lights off, a 10 face isn't as important as a decent body.

I'd agree with the thing about attractiveness being completely subjective. Personally I find plenty of women that are commonly regarded as being 'stunning' very unattractive, stick insects with fake tan, make up caked on, wearing some string and a belt etc scowling away with an attitude, you know the type. Boggles my mind why on earth they are regarded as being desirable. Give me someone who is active, healthy and happy any day.

All down to personal preference.

Muise...

Howard Juneau wrote: »

Sounds more like the infamous Letterkenny Ladyboy

Deleted User wrote: »

Man, that's an odd way to describe your mother.

well, that's knocked the western solidarity out of me.

Handsome Bob

Was going to make a highly telegraphed quip about the OP's username but then thought better.

You're right anyway OP, absolutely 100% correct. We all settle for what we can get and feign love, until something better comes along and we upgrade without a second's thought. It's a dog eat dog world, literally...

Muise...

Muise... wrote: »

well, that's knocked the western solidarity out of me.

Ah, don't let it get to you. I've known a couple of stunners from Donegal as well.

Seachmall

miss no stars wrote: »

So people with average shaped faces are objectively found to be more attractive than people wit other face shapes (with similar features)

Not quite, you can't derive an objective standard by simply averaging subjective preferences.


OT,
Oddly attractiveness isn't necessarily something that does it for me.

Last week I pulled this average looking girl, started shifting and got bored after 30 seconds so fecked off. An hour later I chanced this girl who was less attractive, couldn't pull her and found my mind wandering back to her. I wanted to pull her and was kicking myself that I didn't/couldn't. I had chanced other more attractive girls that night and got shut down and couldn't have cared less.

There was something about that girl that wasn't her looks that had me thinking about her all night afterwards.

Maybe it's because I figured I should've been able to pull her but couldn't that had me interested.

God damn ego!

Wattle

I'm fairly small in stature (5'8) and I have a young looking face. Now all of the women I've ever been with whether one night stands or long relationships have all described me as 'cute'. I've never been called handsome just cute. Unfortunately not all women are into cuteness. So if I go out to a party or something and there are no women there into cuteness then I can feel as lonely and rejected as the ugliest guy in the room. Yes there are women that can fancy me but I will never do as well as the tall and handsome guys that get a lot of girls.

Czarcasm

miss no stars wrote: »

Another point of note would be...



So more people prefer an average face shape than a non-average face shape.

So people with average shaped faces are objectively found to be more attractive than people wit other face shapes (with similar features)

I'm on mobile at the moment so I can't find the exact article, but I came across something similar to this before -


Scientific Secrets Behind Liz Taylor's Beauty

Shenshen

I'm not sure there is such a thing as a universal scale of attractivness.

The reason I think that is quite simple :

A friend of mine started a whirlwind romance a few months ago with someone I personally would describe as - well, a skinny and rather hairy version of Shrek. Most of his hair is distributed quite evenly all over his body (from what I can see), only his head is shaved.
Now, he's not ugly enough for me to recoil in horror, but I do find the thought of touching him rather icky.

And as girl friends do, we were chatting the other day, and she told me that she feels rather similarly about my husband who is a little chubby, and has long, dark hair but very little body hair - a look that had me fall for him immediately. She was however raving about the looks of her own boyfriend and how much she loved his hairy chest and arms...

You're attracted who you are attracted to, simple as. Beauty is entirely in the eye of the beholder.

Muise...

Seachmall wrote: »

Not quite, you can't derive an objective standard by simply averaging subjective preferences.


OT,
Oddly attractiveness isn't necessarily something that does it for me.

Last week I pulled this average looking girl, started shifting and got bored after 30 seconds so fecked off. An hour later I chanced this girl who was less attractive, couldn't pull her and found my mind wandering back to her. I wanted to pull her and was kicking myself that I didn't/couldn't. I had chanced other more attractive girls that night and got shut down and couldn't have cared less.

There was something about that girl that wasn't her looks that had me thinking about her all night afterwards.

Maybe it's because I figured I should've been able to pull her but couldn't that had me interested.

God damn ego!

I would like to clarify that I thanked this post pre-edit, for the good first sentence about stats.

However, Seachmall's qualitative evening out is rather sweet too.

Femme_Fatale

Shenshen wrote: »

I'm not sure there is such a thing as a universal scale of attractivness.

The reason I think that is quite simple :

A friend of mine started a whirlwind romance a few months ago with someone I personally would describe as - well, a skinny and rather hairy version of Shrek. Most of his hair is distributed quite evenly all over his body (from what I can see), only his head is shaved.
Now, he's not ugly enough for me to recoil in horror, but I do find the thought of touching him rather icky.

And as girl friends do, we were chatting the other day, and she told me that she feels rather similarly about my husband who is a little chubby, and has long, dark hair but very little body hair - a look that had me fall for him immediately. She was however raving about the looks of her own boyfriend and how much she loved his hairy chest and arms...

You're attracted who you are attracted to, simple as. Beauty is entirely in the eye of the beholder.

Attractiveness is subjective no doubt about it, but beauty can be objective.

Muise...

Muise... wrote: »

However, Seachmall's qualitative evening out is rather sweet too.

Sweet? Are you kidding me?

Abigayle

urabell wrote: »

Are less attractive people more attracted to other less attractive people than an attractive person would be? For example in a nightclub setting it's pretty common you'll see two mingers eating the face off each other, are they actually attracted to each other or are they just settling? I know there's a certain level of subjectivity but some people just don't have any aesthetic qualities.

Obviously this doesn't apply to relationships and actually falling in love, I've fallen head over heels for girls that, when it comes to looks just aren't in my league. I'd take an ugly life partner who I could relate to over a wetser with no personality any day, obviously I'll go for the best of both worlds if I can though. When it comes to one night stands though it's all about looks and I won't settle.

TLDR Do less attractive people find other less attractive people attractive or are they just settling for what they can get?

This post is either disgustingly shallow or it has been deprived of oxegen for an extensive period of time and survived the incident miraculously.

Seachmall

Muise... wrote: »

However, Seachmall's qualitative evening out is rather sweet too.

I feel like I've been stripped of all manliness after hearing my unsuccessful night on the pull being described as a "rather sweet evening out".




Edit - Upon rereading it I think it comes across as misogynistic, shallow, and egotistical.

Which I didn't intend but much prefer over "rather sweet" :P

Shenshen

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Attractiveness is subjective no doubt about it, but beauty can be objective.

After 2 years at art school, I'm not entirely sure I've seen anything in my life that everybody would describe as "beauty" without argument.

Muise...

Deleted User wrote: »

Sweet? Are you kidding me?

Seachmall wrote: »

I feel like I've been stripped of all manliness after hearing my unsuccessful night on the pull being described as a "rather sweet evening out".




Edit - Upon rereading it I think it comes across as misogynistic, shallow, and egotistical.

Which I much prefer!

Sweet indeed. There are few things as cute as a crestfallen cockrel. :pac: